mosley was able to surprise/stun floyd at one instance in the fight, is pacquiao capable of doing the same?
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mosley was able to surprise/stun floyd at one instance in the fight, is pacquiao capable of doing the same?
Yes easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
i think yes.
For sure, if Manny catches most at welterweight cleanly, he can stun them. Very heavy handed!
Capable? Yes. Likely to do it? I have my doubts.
of course manny could in the right situation. I think however, Manny could also hit Floyd clean and do no damage as well just depends on the situation. I don't believe Shane would have stunned Mayweather everytime he landed a big right hand, but that was the first real punch he landed and it ended up being a huge punch.
I believe yes and this is PAC's only chance to beat PBF.
i want to correct my earlier statement. that should read "two instances" instead of "one instance" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
mosley was able to surprise/stun floyd at two instances in the fight, is pacquiao capable of doing the same?
yeah of course Pac could stun Floyd if he catches him clean,
I think Mosley hits harder though and think Floyd would be to slick for Pac.
Ive a feeling we'll never find out though, Pac won't risk the chance of been caught juicing ;D
It was only that one right hand, the other one didn't stun Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toei want to correct my earlier statement. that should read "two instances" instead of "one instance" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
mosley was able to surprise/stun floyd at two instances in the fight, is pacquiao capable of doing the same?
Manny has enough power and speed to knock him out and enough energy not to gas out and to make Floyd works all night. That doesn't mean that he would win but he has the tools to give him the hell of a ride.
This poll is almost as retarded as the one I just made. No, it's more retarded. Congrats!;D
no worries. i want to gauge if people here give pacquiao some chance against floyd. it seems they did. ;D except for one who voted "no way jose". ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Pacquiao's a southpaw, has awesome handspeed and power to go with it.
He can certainly stun Floyd imo.
Regardless of that, I think Mayweather beats Pacquiao.
i think both stunned floyd. the 2nd one a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was only that one right hand, the other one didn't stun Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toei want to correct my earlier statement. that should read "two instances" instead of "one instance" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
mosley was able to surprise/stun floyd at two instances in the fight, is pacquiao capable of doing the same?
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This stream is a thing of beauty. If only Mosley would have taken a step back, gathered his better instincts and worked on the finish, we would have a defeated Floyd; a Floyd that finally tasted loss, and perhaps more importantly, a fragment of humility.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toei think both stunned floyd. the 2nd one a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was only that one right hand, the other one didn't stun Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
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I think that this proved once and for all how good Floyds chin is, and what great survival instincts he has. The majority of the trash talk Floyd comes out with is just to sell fights and if u believe it all your dumber than he is by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by The ShadowThis stream is a thing of beauty. If only Mosley would have taken a step back, gathered his better instincts and worked on the finish, we would have a defeated Floyd; a Floyd that finally tasted loss, and perhaps more importantly, a fragment of humility.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toei think both stunned floyd. the 2nd one a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
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this is boxing so it's a given that at any given moment, any boxer can "stun" another one. but on the other hand, can floyd stun pacquiao? absolutely and most probably!
if that's what you think then why you voted "no way jose" in the poll?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
ask yourself this, is Pacquiao a harder puncher at welter then Mosley? Call me crazy but I couldn't see Pacquiao knocking out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
Pacquiao at 147 hasn't really been a one shot ko person he is more of a pressure and overwhelm kind of person. So I'm not sure if Pacquiao has the single shot power of Shane Mosley.
So probably yes but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. At least not like Mosley did.
The thing that I see is Mayweather's composure here. Even after the second shot see how composed he is? Even in the second shot which people will agree was the worse one his face he looks calmed he isn't panicking or anything he has great survival instincts and unbelievable focus to still be composed after shots like that. Especially the one to his temple that coming from Mosley would have probably dropped anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toei think both stunned floyd. the 2nd one a lot harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was only that one right hand, the other one didn't stun Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
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Floyd I think has a solid enough chin, some are overrating it IMO but yeah his composure was VERY good. The way he managed being hurt was more impressive than his chin.
And yes of course Manny can hurt him. Floyd rarely ever gets hit with a clean hard shot and that's twice now he's been noticeably hurt and he was hurt bad Saturday.
like i said in the other thread, Would Pacquiao have been able to take the shot that Mosley landed as well as Floyd?
Well who fucking knows? ;D
But Pacquaio has the better track record chin wise. But that's obviously in part cause Floyd takes fewer clean shots.
how so? when guys like Larios, Marquez, and Morales all badly hurt Pacquiao?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Badly hurt is a bit of a stretch.
Floyd never gets hit. He got hit a few times clean by Mosley and was hurt twice. He got hit clean by Corley and was hurt. Not badly hurt, granted.
Pacquaio's taken tons of clean flush hard shots and has been stunned some but never in danger of getting stopped since like Nedal Hussein. His chin's absurdly good. Floyd's chin has been tested far far less.
Mosley is possibly the hardest punching welter right now, and Corley's power was underrated by some as well, Floyd was rocked badly, sort of like Cotto against Corley, but he never lost his composure, and by the last minute of the round he was fine and basically won and broke Mosley down in that minute, came into the 3rd unfazed and took Shane to schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think it's clear that Manny can hurt Floyd. In fact this performance makes me more inclined to think that Manny beats Floyd. Pac will be able to sustain things a lot more than Mosley could and with his in an out footwork and great upper body movement will cause Floyd a lot more problems than people think.
Floyd doesn't seem quite the same to me since his comeback. He was perhaps rusty against Marquez, but I think just as Mosley has slipped too far, Floyd might have slipped a little himself. He's much more flatfooted and arguably that little bit slower. I think Manny will have plenty of opportunities to find the target. It won't be like Hatton, but Manny will be able to make his chances IMO.
IMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I don't disagree with any of that. I don't know if he was badly hurt by Corley. I haven't seen that fight in a while. He was badly hurt by Mosley but credit to him he reacted well and was able to get his hands up and ride out the storm.
Just saying, Manny's chin has been tested time and again and come through, that's the definition of a track record to me. Floyd I think has a solid chin. I'm not going to get on the granite chin bandwagon though yet.
:-\ I really need to start quoting. I was responding to ElTerrible's post obviously, not Miles.
yeah of course, and with his hand speed it can possibly lead to a bullshit stoppage, i was personally impressed with how maywether recovered, and came back....when i seen his knees buckle i had flashbacks of roy jones, but mayweather recovered well, and acted like a veteran
Perhaps he was. I agree that he could very well hurt Manny too, but I doubt Floyd has the same pop as Manny. Manny needs to be careful, but I really don't think Floyd has the pop of a Mosley or Pac. Pac gets hit a fair bit and he just regroups and comes on back at you. Hatton bothered Floyd for the first 5 rounds and he has nothing like Pacs speed, movement, southpaw stance nor power. I see nothing to suggest that Floyd can deal with Manny in the same way he did Marquez, Mosley nor even Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
It's a fight that needs to happen. It will be huge. Manny should take the tests, and Floyd should not get too greedy at the negotiation table.
agree with most, but on the same note, Cotto doesn't have the same speed as Mayweather, and he was landing handily on Manny for most of the first half, if Manny misses like he did against Cotto and Floyd potshots him, Pacquiao could be in troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by milesPerhaps he was. I agree that he could very well hurt Manny too, but I doubt Floyd has the same pop as Manny. Manny needs to be careful, but I really don't think Floyd has the pop of a Mosley or Pac. Pac gets hit a fair bit and he just regroups and comes on back at you. Hatton bothered Floyd for the first 5 rounds and he has nothing like Pacs speed, movement, southpaw stance nor power. I see nothing to suggest that Floyd can deal with Manny in the same way he did Marquez, Mosley nor even Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesIMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
It's a fight that needs to happen. It will be huge. Manny should take the tests, and Floyd should not get too greedy at the negotiation table.
may not be as hard as mosley's but i think a bit faster so the effect could be similar. another thing with more speed, it's likely to stun your opponent since you're hitting him with punches he's not seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyask yourself this, is Pacquiao a harder puncher at welter then Mosley? Call me crazy but I couldn't see Pacquiao knocking out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
Pacquiao at 147 hasn't really been a one shot ko person he is more of a pressure and overwhelm kind of person. So I'm not sure if Pacquiao has the single shot power of Shane Mosley.
So probably yes but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. At least not like Mosley did.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshow so? when guys like Larios, Marquez, and Morales all badly hurt Pacquiao?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm a bit confused. How exactly does Pac have a better track record chin wise when he has been KO'd not once but twice?
Very true but when I think about Floyd vs Pacquiao i see Floyd hitting Pacquiao with shots he wouldn't see coming rather then the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toemay not be as hard as mosley's but i think a bit faster so the effect could be similar. another thing with more speed, it's likely to stun your opponent since you're hitting him with punches he's not seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majestyask yourself this, is Pacquiao a harder puncher at welter then Mosley? Call me crazy but I couldn't see Pacquiao knocking out Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
Pacquiao at 147 hasn't really been a one shot ko person he is more of a pressure and overwhelm kind of person. So I'm not sure if Pacquiao has the single shot power of Shane Mosley.
So probably yes but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. At least not like Mosley did.
Floyd seems to be really good at adjusting whereas Pacquiao seems to have a Plan A and if Plan A doesn't work he stays with it till it can but people say that Mayweather hasn't fought anyone as fast as Pacquiao and will get hit. Pacquiao hasn't fought anyone as fast as Floyd and even people slower hit him with moderate success. I'd be more inclined to believe that yes it could be possible, but Pacquiao catching and stunning Floyd is less likely then Floyd catching and stunning Pacquiao imo. But I haven't seen the one shot power that Shane has coming from Pacquiao. I did notice one thing though, in the Mosley fight, Mayweather completely shut down Mosley's left hand and reduced him to trying to set everything up with the right hand.
One of Mosley's greatest and most famous punches was his signature left hook and I do not remember really seeing it once in that fight, I saw him try it but it was blocked by Mayweather. Also Mayweather hit Mosley with more lead right hands then a fighter should ever land on an orthodox.
So if I'm looking at Mayweather who is now taking away a fighter's left hand and hitting them consistently with straight rights, I'm even more convinced that, Mayweather stunning Pacquiao is more likely.
I have never seen someone take a straight right from Mosley to the chin like that and not be out.
If Floyd can take Pacquiao's shot if Pacquiao manages to land it then he has major issues.
one more thing with pacquiao is his excellent foot speed, in and out, and lateral movements. pacquiao will also throw punches from any angle, weird or not. this movements and punches in bunches at any angle might not give floyd time to set himself defensively and offensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyVery true but when I think about Floyd vs Pacquiao i see Floyd hitting Pacquiao with shots he wouldn't see coming rather then the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toemay not be as hard as mosley's but i think a bit faster so the effect could be similar. another thing with more speed, it's likely to stun your opponent since you're hitting him with punches he's not seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Floyd seems to be really good at adjusting whereas Pacquiao seems to have a Plan A and if Plan A doesn't work he stays with it till it can but people say that Mayweather hasn't fought anyone as fast as Pacquiao and will get hit. Pacquiao hasn't fought anyone as fast as Floyd and even people slower hit him with moderate success. I'd be more inclined to believe that yes it could be possible, but Pacquiao catching and stunning Floyd is less likely then Floyd catching and stunning Pacquiao imo. But I haven't seen the one shot power that Shane has coming from Pacquiao. I did notice one thing though, in the Mosley fight, Mayweather completely shut down Mosley's left hand and reduced him to trying to set everything up with the right hand.
One of Mosley's greatest and most famous punches was his signature left hook and I do not remember really seeing it once in that fight, I saw him try it but it was blocked by Mayweather. Also Mayweather hit Mosley with more lead right hands then a fighter should ever land on an orthodox.
So if I'm looking at Mayweather who is now taking away a fighter's left hand and hitting them consistently with straight rights, I'm even more convinced that, Mayweather stunning Pacquiao is more likely.
I have never seen someone take a straight right from Mosley to the chin like that and not be out.
If Floyd can take Pacquiao's shot if Pacquiao manages to land it then he has major issues.
imo pacquiao has real chances but he's still a big underdog against the much bigger floyd.
Mosley did, however it could be due to Floyd changing and actually coming foward i dont see him doing that if he fights Pac he will be back to his old ways keeping out of trouble.
Any boxer is capable of stuning floyd. Almost every guy he fights has his moments early, mosley did, zab, hatton etc...there's always a glimmer of hope then floyd adjusts and the rest is usually a shutout. Pac will catch him here and there, it's the rest of the fight that will get him another easy decision.