is pacquiao capable of stunning floyd?

[OumaFan]

Well who fucking knows?

But Pacquaio has the better track record chin wise. But that's obviously in part cause Floyd takes fewer clean shots.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well who fucking knows?

But Pacquaio has the better track record chin wise. But that's obviously in part cause Floyd takes fewer clean shots.

how so? when guys like Larios, Marquez, and Morales all badly hurt Pacquiao?

[OumaFan]

Badly hurt is a bit of a stretch.

Floyd never gets hit. He got hit a few times clean by Mosley and was hurt twice. He got hit clean by Corley and was hurt. Not badly hurt, granted.

Pacquaio's taken tons of clean flush hard shots and has been stunned some but never in danger of getting stopped since like Nedal Hussein. His chin's absurdly good. Floyd's chin has been tested far far less.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Badly hurt is a bit of a stretch.

Floyd never gets hit. He got hit a few times clean by Mosley and was hurt twice. He got hit clean by Corley and was hurt. Not badly hurt, granted.

Pacquaio's taken tons of clean flush hard shots and has been stunned some but never in danger of getting stopped since like Nedal Hussein. His chin's absurdly good. Floyd's chin has been tested far far less.

Mosley is possibly the hardest punching welter right now, and Corley's power was underrated by some as well, Floyd was rocked badly, sort of like Cotto against Corley, but he never lost his composure, and by the last minute of the round he was fine and basically won and broke Mosley down in that minute, came into the 3rd unfazed and took Shane to school

[OumaFan]

I don't disagree with any of that. I don't know if he was badly hurt by Corley. I haven't seen that fight in a while. He was badly hurt by Mosley but credit to him he reacted well and was able to get his hands up and ride out the storm.

Just saying, Manny's chin has been tested time and again and come through, that's the definition of a track record to me. Floyd I think has a solid chin. I'm not going to get on the granite chin bandwagon though yet.

[OumaFan]

I really need to start quoting. I was responding to ElTerrible's post obviously, not Miles.

[Gandalf]

I think it's clear that Manny can hurt Floyd. In fact this performance makes me more inclined to think that Manny beats Floyd. Pac will be able to sustain things a lot more than Mosley could and with his in an out footwork and great upper body movement will cause Floyd a lot more problems than people think.

Floyd doesn't seem quite the same to me since his comeback. He was perhaps rusty against Marquez, but I think just as Mosley has slipped too far, Floyd might have slipped a little himself. He's much more flatfooted and arguably that little bit slower. I think Manny will have plenty of opportunities to find the target. It won't be like Hatton, but Manny will be able to make his chances IMO.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think it's clear that Manny can hurt Floyd. In fact this performance makes me more inclined to think that Manny beats Floyd. Pac will be able to sustain things a lot more than Mosley could and with his in an out footwork and great upper body movement will cause Floyd a lot more problems than people think.

Floyd doesn't seem quite the same to me since his comeback. He was perhaps rusty against Marquez, but I think just as Mosley has slipped too far, Floyd might have slipped a little himself. He's much more flatfooted and arguably that little bit slower. I think Manny will have plenty of opportunities to find the target. It won't be like Hatton, but Manny will be able to make his chances IMO.

IMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bit

[Gandalf]

I think it's clear that Manny can hurt Floyd. In fact this performance makes me more inclined to think that Manny beats Floyd. Pac will be able to sustain things a lot more than Mosley could and with his in an out footwork and great upper body movement will cause Floyd a lot more problems than people think.

Floyd doesn't seem quite the same to me since his comeback. He was perhaps rusty against Marquez, but I think just as Mosley has slipped too far, Floyd might have slipped a little himself. He's much more flatfooted and arguably that little bit slower. I think Manny will have plenty of opportunities to find the target. It won't be like Hatton, but Manny will be able to make his chances IMO.

IMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bit

Perhaps he was. I agree that he could very well hurt Manny too, but I doubt Floyd has the same pop as Manny. Manny needs to be careful, but I really don't think Floyd has the pop of a Mosley or Pac. Pac gets hit a fair bit and he just regroups and comes on back at you. Hatton bothered Floyd for the first 5 rounds and he has nothing like Pacs speed, movement, southpaw stance nor power. I see nothing to suggest that Floyd can deal with Manny in the same way he did Marquez, Mosley nor even Hatton.

It's a fight that needs to happen. It will be huge. Manny should take the tests, and Floyd should not get too greedy at the negotiation table.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think it's clear that Manny can hurt Floyd. In fact this performance makes me more inclined to think that Manny beats Floyd. Pac will be able to sustain things a lot more than Mosley could and with his in an out footwork and great upper body movement will cause Floyd a lot more problems than people think.

Floyd doesn't seem quite the same to me since his comeback. He was perhaps rusty against Marquez, but I think just as Mosley has slipped too far, Floyd might have slipped a little himself. He's much more flatfooted and arguably that little bit slower. I think Manny will have plenty of opportunities to find the target. It won't be like Hatton, but Manny will be able to make his chances IMO.

IMO Floyd has enough pop to hurt Pacquiao as well, and i thought that he looked as fast as ever last night, i just kinda felt that he was trying to put more weight into his shots in order to get Mosley to respect his power a bit

Perhaps he was. I agree that he could very well hurt Manny too, but I doubt Floyd has the same pop as Manny. Manny needs to be careful, but I really don't think Floyd has the pop of a Mosley or Pac. Pac gets hit a fair bit and he just regroups and comes on back at you. Hatton bothered Floyd for the first 5 rounds and he has nothing like Pacs speed, movement, southpaw stance nor power. I see nothing to suggest that Floyd can deal with Manny in the same way he did Marquez, Mosley nor even Hatton.

It's a fight that needs to happen. It will be huge. Manny should take the tests, and Floyd should not get too greedy at the negotiation table.

agree with most, but on the same note, Cotto doesn't have the same speed as Mayweather, and he was landing handily on Manny for most of the first half, if Manny misses like he did against Cotto and Floyd potshots him, Pacquiao could be in trouble

[Caine3078]

Well who fucking knows?

But Pacquaio has the better track record chin wise. But that's obviously in part cause Floyd takes fewer clean shots.

how so? when guys like Larios, Marquez, and Morales all badly hurt Pacquiao?

I'm a bit confused. How exactly does Pac have a better track record chin wise when he has been KO'd not once but twice?