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Super Featherweight
No one.
Lightweight
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley = highly debatable.
ODLH = Would be very close.
Jr Welterweight
No one.
Welterweight
Tommy Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Jr Middleweight
Terry Norris
Wilfredo Benitez
You don't think Arguello or Nelson could have given him a go at Super Feather? Chavez, Pryor, Tszyu, or Taylor at 140?
Decent list though
Whitaker vs. Mayweather would have been the ultimate chess match. ;D
Nah Arguello, Nelson, Chavez, struggled vs boxers. Aaron Pryor's too wild see how a decent boxer in Gary Hinton almost beat him, Kostya Tszyu is too slow and he would be picked apart by counters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Meldrick Taylor would probably trouble him but he's not as well rounded. I think some of those fighters would trouble him but not beat him, which is why i didn't mention them bro.
I'd love to have seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Before anyone bashes me i want to be as objective as possible. Shane would not win. Sure he's "old" now but seriously i don't think any version of mosley would beat floyd. Reason being that Styles make fights and we all know that Mosley struggles with boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
About Oscar de la hoya, i dont think any version beats Floyd either. I personally think the younger version of ODLH was far to one handed to beat him, although a KO is possible, i wouldnt bank on it. Whitaker? No, it would be a toss up but i pick Mayweather.
Lastly (and I know many will disagree), I don't think duran beats mayweather. Don't get me wrong, Duran is the greater fighter legacy wise, but styles make fights and i see Duran being outboxed. I dont see Duran making Mayweather fight out of his element. But with a guy like Duran, you just never know.
Above lightweight I would agree though. SRL would be pretty close i would think but this Sugar would edge it. Tommy Hearns is the prototype to manhandle floyd. I reckon he would knock Floyd's block off. SRR I honestly don't know, but i'd favour Robinson.
I just don't buy into the notion that these ATG would automatically destroy floyd. I mean, hate him or love him, I think he has one of the most difficult styles to beat. Whether your name is Sugar Ray Leonard or Robinson you're not gonna just walk through a guy like May. Once again, i'm not saying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, far from it, but he's definitely got one of the most difficult styles to beat.
Duran could box very well on the inside...plus he got away with more fouls just like Floyd does, maybe worse. He KO'd Ken Buchannan with a low blow
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, is a backdoor attempt to salvage some grace after being on the other side of the outcome of this fight. One can always make or form these conclusions based on reasons and statistics that are subjectively interpreted. I mean the very idea that this has some kind of cognitive value is ludicrous. Please, lets deal with issues we can measure in real time, and end these infatuations with adoloscent thought processes of "Coulda, woulda, shoulda" :rolleyes:
Besides the welterweights I shake my head in confusion, he would beat anyone else on here way more often than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mayweather would move against Duran everytime and win by staying away and frustrating him.
De La Hoya at lightweight? Really? His chin wasn't as good, Floyd hit harder at lightweight for the weight class, I think he had better comparative speed at that class. The lower weight category they fight at the more decisively Floyd wins because it gets closer and closer to his best weight.
Mosley: it would be a better matchup, but Floyd would still be too sharp and quick(not too fast).
Pernell Whitaker is a great fighter, but Floyd is even better defensively and faster, still would be a great fight, but you have to favor the better fighter which is Floyd.
the welterweights definitely have a great chance of beating PBF, but he has an equal chance of beating any of them except maybe Hearns. And
lets not forget how much naturally bigger they are.
At 154
Terry Norris: power and speed, could definitely give Floyd a scare early, but Mayweather would adjust, dominate, and maybe even stop Terry.
Benitez: great defensive fighter, but I thought Whitaker was better and Floyd beats Benitez for the same reasons.
For sure, but Floyd's physical gifts and superior technique would be the deciding factor in a fight that would progressively go more and more in his favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Well Taeth people consider Duran and Whittaker 2 of the greatest lightweights of ALL TIME.....I'm not saying he's not great but they don't say that about Floyd Mayweather Jr. and there ARE valid reasons behind that line of thinking.
BTW, I have to add Marvin Hagler at 160.
Someone in the other thread believes FLoyd will beat Hagler in 15 rounds easily.
I love FLoyd's skills, but he ain't beating Hagler and he ain't beating him easily.
I actually give JCC and Nelson at spr feather top chances.Both could be boxed but were excellent of closing range to both head and body.JCC pretty fluid under Welter,boxed a little more.Superb chins and solid dedication to body.Would be a bit of a track meet but at respected points in careers I think they are extremely live with Mayweather.
might sound nuts at Jr welt but the first that came to mind,dont laugh,Hector camacho ??Could his hand,foot speed equally trouble Mayweather ??Case of first who commits or Mayweather just too sharp at range?
Love Norris.But I was never sold on that beard when in comes to all time vs pondering.He could be rocked by 'fast' power and clubbing power.His emotions & instinct forced him into alot of mistakes.Tremendous combo hitter but was never sold on his balance,just think if Mayweather stays sharp/smart he could time Norris badly
There are 4 fighters on this list who I don't think, but KNOW would beat Floyd at the mentioned weights: Duran at lightweight (was too much of an animal at 135), Robinson at welterweight (G.O.A.T.), and Norris and Benitez at Jr Middleweight (however that's only because Floyd clearly is too small for 154 as he showed when he weighed in 4 lbs under the limit his only fight there, he beats Benitez at every other weight). Sorry to say but of the 4 greats of the 80s Leonard is by far the most overrated. People b!tching that Floyd handpicked opponents need to first get a clue and realize Leonard was the Godfather of handpicking and dodging and maneuvering and waiting, only difference is Floyd doesn't have Angelo Dundee to cover his butt and say he instructed his fighter to wait on fighting certain people (just ask Hearns and Pryor and Hagler), and the dude flat out lost to Hagler. Also, of all the fighters mentioned only one has a GLARING weakness, and that's Hearns which is his conditioning. Match that with a fighter whose conditioning has not been surpassed by anyone and Tommy has a serious problem, not to mention I'm sick of people thinking that every single time Hearns landed his right hand he automatically just ended the fight at that moment. Yes he's pound for pound possibly the hardest puncher ever but ya'll do realize he landed it flush on several other opponents and they continued on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
That's ridiculous, isn't it. Floyd is a small welterweight and Hagler would have been much too big and strong. Marvin would come out like he did against Hearns and Floyd would just be a bit too small, Hagler would walk right through him (and I mean that with no disrespect to Mayweather). Jesus, nuthuggers will srat saying that Floys would outbox prime Mike Tyson next.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I'd like to have seen Floyd v a prime Don Curry, that would have been fun. Ray leonard and Floys would have been a fascinating matchup.
I think Floyd is a much smoother boxer, and possibly a more complete fighter, than Tommy Hearns ..... but I think that the REAL Hit Man would have been PBF's nightmare opponent.
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Originally Posted by JJson
Oh, and it would be "could've," which is a contraction of the words "could" and "have," not "could of."
Sort of narrows us down a great deal dont you think?It is a discussion board for well......boxing and all things there in ?Off course we'll never know what would have happened but sort of stamps Mayweathers place as hes in the all time discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJson
Excuse me for a second but i picked Floyd Mayweather Jr to win, im also a big fan of Floyd Mayweather Jr. This thread is purely for discussion, not to discredit Floyd Mayweather Jr in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJson
In the main I agree with that, I think all of those COULD have beaten Mayweather (with the exception of Oscar at 135 as his opp was horrible because he was generally horribly drained).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
But, tbh the only ones I think would, would be the 3 at 147 and only with Hearns would I be confident. Contrary to current wisdom, SRR could struggle with guys who could match him for speed & skill, and whilst I favour Ray to win, it would be marginal. Leonard I think might have had the same difficulties he had with Benitez at times, and over 12 rounds, I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd pulled out a narrow win. I think Hearns is all wrong for Floyd, but even then I wouldn't count him out.
He would have been competitive with all these guys, and I suspect most of them would have been with him.
They are ATGs, but Mayweather may conceivably end up a greater all time player then either of them in multiple weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I just feel Mayweather's style is all wrong for these guys. Duran would be frustrated by Floyd's movement, and when he did catch Floyd, this is a much better defensive fighter than Leonard, and I think it would tell.
The problem Whitaker would have is that his defense was largely based on reflexes and ingenuity, but I truly believe Floyd is too fast and accurate and adaptive with his punches for that type of defensive strategy. I think Whitaker being a fast southpaw with amazing skill would cause Mayweather some problems, but Floyd would keep his hands up, and catch Whitaker's punches off his gloves, then gradually integrate more and more offensive as the fight progresses similar to how he fought Judah, but I think Judah's speed and power were one tier above Pernell's.
I think Mayweather-Duran would be an incredibly tough fight because Floyd doesn't ride the bicycle like Leonard did in the second outing against Duran, but I do believe Floyd would win by a large margin against Pernell.
At 135 or 147 against Duran?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethThey are ATGs, but Mayweather may conceivably end up a greater all time player then either of them in multiple weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I just feel Mayweather's style is all wrong for these guys. Duran would be frustrated by Floyd's movement, and when he did catch Floyd, this is a much better defensive fighter than Leonard, and I think it would tell.
The problem Whitaker would have is that his defense was largely based on reflexes and ingenuity, but I truly believe Floyd is too fast and accurate and adaptive with his punches for that type of defensive strategy. I think Whitaker being a fast southpaw with amazing skill would cause Mayweather some problems, but Floyd would keep his hands up, and catch Whitaker's punches off his gloves, then gradually integrate more and more offensive as the fight progresses similar to how he fought Judah, but I think Judah's speed and power were one tier above Pernell's.
I think Mayweather-Duran would be an incredibly tough fight because Floyd doesn't ride the bicycle like Leonard did in the second outing against Duran, but I do believe Floyd would win by a large margin against Pernell.
I don't think Floyd beats Duran at all at 135, he has a chance at 147, but I wouldn't favor him.
That equals smashed to fucking bits for floyd...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Even Floyd senior said "Shane used to throw punches like bam,bam,bam,bam,bam,bam,bam,bam, now he's like BOOM........Boom.......Boom"
And if the former version were in the ring last night then the third round doesn't exist....
Super Feather - Azumah Nelson
Lightweight- Roberto Duran
Super Lightweight- Kostya Tszyu/Aaron Pryor
Welterweight - Sugar Ray Leonard/Tommy Hearns
All of the above in ther prime would give Mayweather hell.
Mosley was 8-9 years from his prime.
What i saw in Round 2 when Mosley caught Floyd, convinces me Tzsyu would have landed his right hand at some point, his hand speed and accuracy was exceptional.
Shame about Norris: the man can't even form complete sentences anymore. But, I think Norris would have given a ton of trouble, as Norris was a gifted athlete.
I don't think Duran had the hand-speed to compete with F.M.
I think Ray Robinson would have beaten him, but it would be a real technical fight.
I think there's a high probability that he gets caught by Leonard or Hearns. Both were great finishers. I really don't know. Would be interesting to write a program that takes all of these factors into consideration and spits out probable results.
As much as I admired Tszyu, I don't think he would have much of a shot. However, as a previous poster mentioned, Tszyu was deadly accurate with his punches. If Kostya would have landed the same right that Mosley landed in round 2, I think Tszyu would have had a much better chance at finishing Mayweather.
Whitaker would have proven to be a really intriguing match-up, but I think Mayweather has better defensive skills. Power goes to Whitaker, though. Whitaker was also a very adaptable fighter. I'm really not sure about this one.
I think Arguello would have been another intriguing match-up. I've effectively thrown his losses to Pryor to the wind, as Pryor had that piece of filth Panama Lewis in his corner - a man who has ended the career of many a promising fighter with his illegal tactics. Just look at what happened to Collins.
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
How did I know you'd find a way to get all over Tszyu's balls :rolleyes:
If he can take Mosley's punches, he could take Tszyu's. No way was Tzsyu faster than Shane or more powerful. Oh but wait, he stopped Zab Judah right ;D
Shane Mosley is 39 in September, inactive for the past 15 months and he almost knocked Floyd out in the 2nd round! Tszyu ate southpaws for breakfast, the Tszyu of 99-2001 would give Floyd hell. Maybe the Mosley of 2000 would too? I'm not saying they would win, Floyd's performance against Mosley was brilliant after being in real trouble early. What i am saying is Tszyu was probably the best fighter i have seen against southpaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
How did I know you'd find a way to get all over Tszyu's balls :rolleyes:
If he can take Mosley's punches, he could take Tszyu's. No way was Tzsyu faster than Shane or more powerful. Oh but wait, he stopped Zab Judah right ;D
Also, Zab Judah was the favourite going into that fight too!
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANShane Mosley is 39 in September, inactive for the past 15 months and he almost knocked Floyd out in the 2nd round! Tszyu ate southpaws for breakfast, the Tszyu of 99-2001 would give Floyd hell. Maybe the Mosley of 2000 would too? I'm not saying they would win, Floyd's performance against Mosley was brilliant after being in real trouble early. What i am saying is Tszyu was probably the best fighter i have seen against southpaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
How did I know you'd find a way to get all over Tszyu's balls :rolleyes:
If he can take Mosley's punches, he could take Tszyu's. No way was Tzsyu faster than Shane or more powerful. Oh but wait, he stopped Zab Judah right ;D
Also, Zab Judah was the favourite going into that fight too!
That's great, not that it would make any difference seeing as Floyd is an ORTHODOX fighter.
You're right in 99-01, Tszyu probably would have given him hell seeing as Floyd was a 130lber then :rolleyes:
For all of what Mosley was facing, he's so superior a fighter now to what Tszyu ever was it's unreal.
Yes, we all know the legendary Tszyu could have beaten Floyd and Pacquiao all on the same night. In fact he was so dangerous guys like Oscar, Floyd, Manny, all ducked him. In fact the great 147 pound class in the 90s with Quartey, DLH, Whitaker, Mosley, all ducked Tszyu by not refusing to drop down to 140 to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANShane Mosley is 39 in September, inactive for the past 15 months and he almost knocked Floyd out in the 2nd round! Tszyu ate southpaws for breakfast, the Tszyu of 99-2001 would give Floyd hell. Maybe the Mosley of 2000 would too? I'm not saying they would win, Floyd's performance against Mosley was brilliant after being in real trouble early. What i am saying is Tszyu was probably the best fighter i have seen against southpaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
How did I know you'd find a way to get all over Tszyu's balls :rolleyes:
If he can take Mosley's punches, he could take Tszyu's. No way was Tzsyu faster than Shane or more powerful. Oh but wait, he stopped Zab Judah right ;D
Also, Zab Judah was the favourite going into that fight too!
I mean my god, when you beat a Zab Judah and a 40 year old Chavez, no one's going to want to fight you!
You all laugh about Tszyu beating Zab but you all forget he was meant to be the next big thing in boxing. Also if watch Zab fight after the tszyu fight hes a different fighter, he doesnt want to get hit. Face it Tszyu ended Zabs career, Zab would not be the scared little fighter he is today if Tszyu hadnt of knocked him out that way. So saying "oh Tszyu only beat Zab", well im pretty sure Tszyu beat Zab when he was at his best unlike other guys like Clottey, Cotto and Mayweather and it all took them longer then 2 rounds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes, we all know the legendary Tszyu could have beaten Floyd and Pacquiao all on the same night. In fact he was so dangerous guys like Oscar, Floyd, Manny, all ducked him. In fact the great 147 pound class in the 90s with Quartey, DLH, Whitaker, Mosley, all ducked Tszyu by not refusing to drop down to 140 to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANShane Mosley is 39 in September, inactive for the past 15 months and he almost knocked Floyd out in the 2nd round! Tszyu ate southpaws for breakfast, the Tszyu of 99-2001 would give Floyd hell. Maybe the Mosley of 2000 would too? I'm not saying they would win, Floyd's performance against Mosley was brilliant after being in real trouble early. What i am saying is Tszyu was probably the best fighter i have seen against southpaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Also, Zab Judah was the favourite going into that fight too!
I mean my god, when you beat a Zab Judah and a 40 year old Chavez, no one's going to want to fight you!
Do you not maybe see the correlation between those two points?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYou all laugh about Tszyu beating Zab but you all forget he was meant to be the next big thing in boxing. Also if watch Zab fight after the tszyu fight hes a different fighter, he doesnt want to get hit. Face it Tszyu ended Zabs career, Zab would not be the scared little fighter he is today if Tszyu hadnt of knocked him out that way. So saying "oh Tszyu only beat Zab", well im pretty sure Tszyu beat Zab when he was at his best unlike other guys like Clottey, Cotto and Mayweather and it all took them longer then 2 rounds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes, we all know the legendary Tszyu could have beaten Floyd and Pacquiao all on the same night. In fact he was so dangerous guys like Oscar, Floyd, Manny, all ducked him. In fact the great 147 pound class in the 90s with Quartey, DLH, Whitaker, Mosley, all ducked Tszyu by not refusing to drop down to 140 to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I mean my god, when you beat a Zab Judah and a 40 year old Chavez, no one's going to want to fight you!
It was a great shot to finish him no doubt, but it was that, we don't call Hasim Rahman an ATG because he got a great shot in on Lewis who I shouldn't even be comparing with Zab.
Zab won the first round as well.
The point is that Tszyu did nothing to give merit to the argument that Pacquaio, Mayweather, Mosley & De La Hoya would have all crumbled in his wake. All of those 4 guys are genuine ATGs. Tszyu just isn't, he was an excellent fighter and a almost certain Hall of Famer, but an all-time great he ain't.
Mate Rahmans shot on lewis was because of Lewis's stupidity which falls under a lucky shot category. Tszyu timed Zab, he made him move into the direction he wanted him to go. I think thats a very bad comparison to even compare Tszyu with Rahman...really an insult to Tszyu who was a reigning champ for a number of yrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDo you not maybe see the correlation between those two points?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYou all laugh about Tszyu beating Zab but you all forget he was meant to be the next big thing in boxing. Also if watch Zab fight after the tszyu fight hes a different fighter, he doesnt want to get hit. Face it Tszyu ended Zabs career, Zab would not be the scared little fighter he is today if Tszyu hadnt of knocked him out that way. So saying "oh Tszyu only beat Zab", well im pretty sure Tszyu beat Zab when he was at his best unlike other guys like Clottey, Cotto and Mayweather and it all took them longer then 2 rounds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
It was a great shot to finish him no doubt, but it was that, we don't call Hasim Rahman an ATG because he got a great shot in on Lewis who I shouldn't even be comparing with Zab.
Zab won the first round as well.
The point is that Tszyu did nothing to give merit to the argument that Pacquaio, Mayweather, Mosley & De La Hoya would have all crumbled in his wake. All of those 4 guys are genuine ATGs. Tszyu just isn't, he was an excellent fighter and a almost certain Hall of Famer, but an all-time great he ain't.
Its funny that a guy like Tszyu who fought for a world title in his 10th fight can be discredited like some people do around here. Im not claiming him to be the best ever but come on he was a better technical boxer than a lot of guys going around. You all talk about him like hes Aturo Gatti.
i think its impossible to draw such conclusions without actually seeing the fight, mayweather tends to neutralize all of his foes assets...work rate, speed, power, etc....they just don't look "the same".....to many things would weigh in, how the two fighters react to each other, mentally, physically, and gaame plan......i think maywaether has a shot of competing with anyone since sugar ray robinson, not saying he will win, but its impossible to say that he will simply just be beat....mayweathers an all time great, whether u think hes a dick or not
I think someone who can feint right hands and follow up with a leaping left hook could hurt Floyd. SRR could do this and follow up that leaping left hook with two more, all fast and powerful. SRR had so many options offensively and if Floyd managed to close down that avenue he could revert to those beautiful right hands to the body that he threw around an opponent's guard taking away Floyd's attention from his own upper right side. Eventually, Floyd would adjust and look to counter with right hands to the head and this is where SRR could once again land left hooks. SRR was also great at jabbing while circling to his left, something that opens up angles for right hands to the body when facing an opponent with his lead should raised plus he could fight on the inside. Floyd's "shoulder roll" style was also a much more common way of fighting back in SRR's day so I think he would be the most accustomed to deal with Floyd's awkardness. Tommy's one of my favourite fighters but unless he knocked him out early I don't think he had the stamina nor variation of punches to keep Floyd from adjusting. As great as he was I always remember him jabbing looking to unload that huge right hand or throwing left hooks to the body then head which is fine from the outside but what happens when FLoyd weasles his way inside? But Tommy had that killer instinct and if he was in the same situation Mosley found himself he would've mauled Floyd till he dropped him or the ref stopped the fight. Man Mosley could've done it. It was like watching my clown of a mate on Saturday night somehow managing to get these absolute glamours up to dance with him but he just didn't make a fucking move. Frustrating shit.
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Originally Posted by ICB
Good list IMO. The only one I would argue would be Duran. Love Duran, but I think Floyd is a TERRRIBLE matchup for him, as great as he was.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. It's all conjecture when it comes to who can beat Mayweather and of course none of it can be proved. Tszyu, Duran, Pryor, Chavez, Leonard or Hearns? We will never know if any of them could beat Mayweather. I'm of the belief that Mayweather finds a way to beat them all, he will probably find a way to beat Pacquaio too. I just think Tszyu would have had a good chance of winning, i am not saying he would win. Is that ok with you Stalin?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogYes, we all know the legendary Tszyu could have beaten Floyd and Pacquiao all on the same night. In fact he was so dangerous guys like Oscar, Floyd, Manny, all ducked him. In fact the great 147 pound class in the 90s with Quartey, DLH, Whitaker, Mosley, all ducked Tszyu by not refusing to drop down to 140 to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANShane Mosley is 39 in September, inactive for the past 15 months and he almost knocked Floyd out in the 2nd round! Tszyu ate southpaws for breakfast, the Tszyu of 99-2001 would give Floyd hell. Maybe the Mosley of 2000 would too? I'm not saying they would win, Floyd's performance against Mosley was brilliant after being in real trouble early. What i am saying is Tszyu was probably the best fighter i have seen against southpaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Also, Zab Judah was the favourite going into that fight too!
I mean my god, when you beat a Zab Judah and a 40 year old Chavez, no one's going to want to fight you!
Oh by the way, Chavez was 2 years younger than Mosley is now when he fought Tszyu.
So a fighter who fought almost 50% of his professional career against former or at the time current World Champions, was a World Champion for almost 10 years and a unified World Champion (very rare in boxing these days) is not an ATG? Some people are hard to please. Both DLH and Mosley fought on far to long and we remember their greatness fondly, in reality Mosley's past 7 or 8 years has been very ordinary (8-6 and one NC) and DLH against Pacquaio was just plain emabarrassing, at least Tszyu got out when he did without ever making a fool of himself. Mosley was a shadow of the fighter he once was against Mayweather, he had him in round 2, by round 5 Mosley was done and dusted. As for Zab, he was on top of the world at the time of that fight and give him his due, he was the only one willing to fight Tszyu and actually go through with it, Chavez pleaded with Tszyu for that fight in 1999 and out of respect for him Tszyu agreed. I think Floyd Mayweather is an incredible fighter, his performance against Mosley when he was in real trouble was exceptional, forget the PBF trash talking, Mayweather is one smart fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDo you not maybe see the correlation between those two points?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYou all laugh about Tszyu beating Zab but you all forget he was meant to be the next big thing in boxing. Also if watch Zab fight after the tszyu fight hes a different fighter, he doesnt want to get hit. Face it Tszyu ended Zabs career, Zab would not be the scared little fighter he is today if Tszyu hadnt of knocked him out that way. So saying "oh Tszyu only beat Zab", well im pretty sure Tszyu beat Zab when he was at his best unlike other guys like Clottey, Cotto and Mayweather and it all took them longer then 2 rounds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
It was a great shot to finish him no doubt, but it was that, we don't call Hasim Rahman an ATG because he got a great shot in on Lewis who I shouldn't even be comparing with Zab.
Zab won the first round as well.
The point is that Tszyu did nothing to give merit to the argument that Pacquaio, Mayweather, Mosley & De La Hoya would have all crumbled in his wake. All of those 4 guys are genuine ATGs. Tszyu just isn't, he was an excellent fighter and a almost certain Hall of Famer, but an all-time great he ain't.
I have to say i don't think Kostya Tszyu, would of beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. Because he's too mechanical and too slow, but i think he does get underrated on here.
I've watched his career set online over the past few years, and he was a great fighter make no doubt about it. He had amazing timing, great power. He was able to roll with shots very well, and he never took an easy route.
Kostya Tsyzu's only problem was that he struggled vs swarmer's, because he liked to fight at mid-distance. Where his power and timing were at there most effective.
By the way alot of people forget Kosta Tszyu, was winning the 2nd round vs Zab Judah before he landed the KO shot. So how exactly was it a fluke because they were 1-1 in rounds ? thats a silly thing to say IMO.
Considering Kostya Tszyu is a great fighter with great timing, so obviously a perfectly well timed KO from him, isn't a fluke because he was a master at it throughout his career.
Diosbelys Hurtado
Calvin Grove
Juan La Porte
Roger Mayweather
Livingstone Bramble
Rafael Ruelas
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Sharma Mitchell x2
Zab Judah
Jesse James Leija
Ben Tackie
That is hardly weak opposition, yes some of those fighters were past there prime. But who else was there at 140 ? he fought the best available opposition, and considering he stayed in one weightclass, where normally the opposition is pretty moderate when a fighter only domiante's one division, i think its quite an impressive list.
Too many fighters fight on to improve their legacy, but then simply blur it. Shame.
Wind back the clock and Floyd would be getting body slammed then beat up and it would have been fair game!
i think you are right i agreed with you
dan sherry at 154 would give mayweather problems
leonard-mayweather would be the ultimate welterweight fight