Mosley's Performance

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

Because Mosley's style by nature is built on defence and counter punching, so even when he was getting a lesson taught, he could still avoid taking enough of a beating to get sparked out. Plus his record of having a solid chin speaks for himself, never been knocked out in his career.

Plus Hatton got caught up in the momment and stopped thinking and just being all round crazy. Floyd picked him off.

I think it is slightly iffy how he suddenly looks unconditioned, but you will never ever know if that was Floyd, age, lack of drugs or a combination.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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i try not to look into it too much to be honest mate, i just think mayweather was the better man,he rose to the occasion, its slowy dawning on me how great he really is

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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did u see the 24/7 last episode where mosley was leaving for vegas and the doping guy came and mosley begged him to draw little blood because he was still trying to make weight(fight week) and his lips are starting to dry up.

i got this insert from msnbc.com

"Mosley said he thought the 15-month layoff since his last fight hurt him, as did a stiff neck. But Mayweather had a lot to do with his ineffectiveness, too, fighting his fight and refusing to allow Mosley to dictate the pace"

Mayweather picks apart Mosley; Pacquiao up next? - Other sports- nbcsports.msnbc.com

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not
Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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Because Hatton is a thicko.

And i mean that in a nice way ;D

Hatton didn't have a plan B, he has no way of fighting for survival. He only knows 'Forward' and that was obviously troubling Mayweather becuase he couldn't get Hatton to do the 'Nunchuk Shuffle'. ;D

Mayweather kinda got lucky by knocking Hatton out because it made his performance look better than it actually was (Scrappy affair). Either that or Hatton deserves more credit than has been given ???

Will versus Skill. Mosley lost his early in round 3 ;)

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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This is absolutely what I had been thinking since round 4. I just didn't want to comment on it because I am a Mosley fan and I didn't want to look like I was taking away from Mayweather. Mayweather was the better fighter but Mosley never in his career got tired after only round 3. I personally think Mosley has been on the EPO a lot more than what is being portrayed. Why not? It was the same old testing. This time he couldn't be on EPO and coincidentally he is a tired mess after 3 rounds? If this is true I am glad Mayweather demanded the Olympic style testing and boxing needs a lot more cleaning than we expect. I personally know some fighters who are on PEDs and they are not even fighting for big time scenarios. Mosley is my favorite fighter but I don't choose any fighter over what I think is the truth. And I think the truth is that Mosley was not a one time cheater.

Floyd was the far better man no excuses.

What I did not like about Shane was his constant wanting to tap gloves with Floyd, just fight the man and forget the sportsmanship, Floyd punched him as they were talking. Shane also did not adjust his style and did not throw enough punches and let it all go.

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Originally Posted by Master

Floyd was the far better man no excuses.

What I did not like about Shane was his constant wanting to tap gloves with Floyd, just fight the man and forget the sportsmanship, Floyd punched him as they were talking. Shane also did not adjust his style and did not throw enough punches and let it all go.

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I thought that! But then just assumed it was the un-sportsman in me. Then I thought it was probably the ref and his eagerness to "keep it clean" and make them lovers not fighters.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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Why didn't mayweather have problems with his stamina then? He under went exactly the same tests. Even playing field thats the point. Nothing fishy at all.

unless you are insinuating that this is the first fight mosley has done without roids in him....

And the Hatton thing is simple. He's underated by anyone whos not british. Hatton deserves alot more credit for his performance against floyd. Hatton also had the ref against him. At least Mosley didn't have to worry about both floyd and bayliss.

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Originally Posted by blegit

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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This is absolutely what I had been thinking since round 4. I just didn't want to comment on it because I am a Mosley fan and I didn't want to look like I was taking away from Mayweather. Mayweather was the better fighter but Mosley never in his career got tired after only round 3. I personally think Mosley has been on the EPO a lot more than what is being portrayed. Why not? It was the same old testing. This time he couldn't be on EPO and coincidentally he is a tired mess after 3 rounds? If this is true I am glad Mayweather demanded the Olympic style testing and boxing needs a lot more cleaning than we expect. I personally know some fighters who are on PEDs and they are not even fighting for big time scenarios. Mosley is my favorite fighter but I don't choose any fighter over what I think is the truth. And I think the truth is that Mosley was not a one time cheater.

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Mosley is a good clean fighter...i believe it was more of the 400 days of inactivity, his age, plus the possible over training suggested by emmanual steward...

He was completely done...and mosely ran cross country coming up as a kid through highschool so for him to tire in the second round is simple as his age...He over trained because of the layoff...

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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I agree man, somehting totally didn't addup from a Mosley point of view. I've gone in to this in another thread with you and ICb so I'm not gonna bore msyelf or anyone else, and certainly before any bigtime Floyd fans come swinging in on his balls, I thought Floyd was terrific, and I too like Paddy, have come round to the idea of how great he actually is. I still think it could have been a combo of Floyd and no Drugs though. Guess only Mosley can answer that.....

On a side note, something that can only have been a disadvantage to his camp was the serious lack of world class sparring. Bad bad decision IMO to not call someone in and only use the dudes from his camp like Rock allen. Not good enough surely IMO.

Mosleys stamina was always overrated. He was blowing after a few rounds against Cotto and struggled in the middle rounds, Floyd didn't give Mosley hope late on in the fight like Cotto did with his inferior defense and Mosley had effectively given up.

Floyd's a special fighter, he has the same balance and composure going into the 12fth than the first, actually he gains it through the fight as he warms up.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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Well try about 8 years and 15 months of inactivity, Mosley had to win inside 5 rounds or not at all. He almost did it in round 2. Mayweather deserves all the credit for being on the brink of defeat and going the full 12 rounds. Mosley simply got old in this fight. He's 39 in September, he's done.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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I agree its the only fight he's ever had terrible stamina, even when he got beaten up by Vernon Forrest his stamina wasn't as bad. And he got far more damaged in the Vernon Forrest fight.

Yes obviously age will catch up to him, but there was nothing wrong with his stamina in the Antonio Margarito fight. And Floyd Mayweather Jr didn't make Shane Mosley suddenly run out of gas.

I think people don't want to believe it, but i honestly can't see how anyone. Can't think it is suspicious in his only fight, where we know his 100 percent legit.

I think he should of had a fight before Mayweather 18 months or just short out of the ring is not good for a man of nealry 39 years of age, I think he should retire he has had a great career.

I think Mosley was over trained, 38 years old, and Mayweather was just too fast for him.

Also Mosley was really tensed up and not relaxed in there, and being tense will tire you out very quickly.

It takes twice as much energy to fight tense and nervous than loose and relaxed.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I think Mosley was over trained, 38 years old, and Mayweather was just too fast for him.

Also Mosley was really tensed up and not relaxed in there, and being tense will tire you out very quickly.

It takes twice as much energy to fight tense and nervous than loose and relaxed.

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I honestly think it was avoiding the towel at any given moment in camp that took his stamina away.

if you look at mosleys fights the past few years the only impressive one was margocheater. other than that, he has looked like a top 15 fighter, and certainly not a p4pder.

I did think about it cause his stamina was so shitty so early but then again its not like its an open and shut thing, he is 38 after all.

The reason he looked so stamina-wise and had such great stamina early is basically because he can make another fighter fight his pace that means he can rest when he wants come on when he wants just what he did against Margarito, and he held a lot early in that fight till about the mid rounds when he came on and finished it. Mayweather by taking the fight to him for the whole fight from the last minute of the 2nd round onward he never got that chance. When's the last time you saw a fighter coming forward on Shane Mosley and making him work and expend energy just to keep him off? No one.

It has nothing to do with the taking of blood etc. Fact is his age, combined with his inactivity and how good Floyd Mayweather is brought his downfall that night. Nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I brought this up in a different thread and I'm not sure if it has been discussed at length elsewhere. Forgive me for same if it has.

Does anyone find it a little fishy that Mosley had difficulty with his stamina in this fight given that this is the only fight where Olympic-style drug testing was imposed?

I'm not putting down Mayweather's performance because either way he fought a near-flawless fight, but Mosley looked not himself. He had the best trainer (imo) in the business giving him great advice in his corner and every indication was that he had a good camp. He was coming off a career-defining win.

Explain to me how Hatton at 147 performed better against Mayweather over ten rounds than Mosley over 12. It's just a little odd.

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Why didn't mayweather have problems with his stamina then? He under went exactly the same tests. Even playing field thats the point. Nothing fishy at all.

unless you are insinuating that this is the first fight mosley has done without roids in him....

And the Hatton thing is simple. He's underated by anyone whos not british. Hatton deserves alot more credit for his performance against floyd. Hatton also had the ref against him. At least Mosley didn't have to worry about both floyd and bayliss.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I did think about it cause his stamina was so shitty so early but then again its not like its an open and shut thing, he is 38 after all.

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That is what I'm insinuating, Hornfinger.

His lack of stamina could definitely also be due to his age and inactivity. There is no way to rule out those reasons although it is funny that his stamina was much better in his last fight and the one before that. You don't change that much over night. At least the odds are the same, correct? I mean logically, it could be any of the reasons.

Consider Margarito's situation. You have to assume that Margarito was loading his gloves in every fight prior to getting caught because he himself denies knowing that his gloves were being loaded before the Shane fight. And if he didn't know his gloves were loaded for the Shane fight, he can't know his gloves weren't loaded in his previous fights. Without even looking at Cotto's face, who's to say they weren't? Same goes here. Like Richardson spotting the loaded gloves in the Margarito fight and preventing them from being used, Mayweather may have prevented the steroids from being used here.

If Mosley was using steriods for every other fight then he would simply have refused this fight. I think he wanted to prove that he was as good as everybody said after the Maragrito fight.
His age and inactivity count against him and im sure Mayweathers accurate punches only made matters worse!!

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Originally Posted by Majesty

The reason he looked so stamina-wise and had such great stamina early is basically because he can make another fighter fight his pace that means he can rest when he wants come on when he wants just what he did against Margarito, and he held a lot early in that fight till about the mid rounds when he came on and finished it. Mayweather by taking the fight to him for the whole fight from the last minute of the 2nd round onward he never got that chance. When's the last time you saw a fighter coming forward on Shane Mosley and making him work and expend energy just to keep him off? No one.

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Margarito came forward all night, as did mayorga, vargas, oscar in the first fight, winky in both fights...Shane has never tired nor backed down from fighters coming forward.

How can one suggest that shane got tired because of what mayweather did when mayweather didn't do anything but get hurt and shane suddenly stopped punching. Then for those suggesting that he got tired after the second round because of adjustments by floyd is ridiculous, because shane knew he was hurt and press the action. Even in the margarito fight shane immediately came out the next round and jumped on him

"I didn't want him to lose that buzz"

I think it's fine that floyd didn't go down and still fought like a champ, but the more reasonable and obvious facts (38+15layoff+overtrainined) weigh more heavily than floyd adjusted causing mosely instantly get tired in less than one after he hurt floyd...

How can he get tired from not throwing punches, because floyd didnt do much either in round 3...