Roach:mayweather doesnt have his legs anymore

Roach Says: 'Mayweather Doesn't Have His Legs Anymore' - Boxing News


do u think hes just clutching at straws or do u think theres some truth to this

I suppose it could be true, but I think the reason Floyd wasn't moving around against Mosley as much as he normally does was because he made a conscious decision to stand in front of him and be the aggressor. It worked as well, because I think that was the last thing Shane was expecting.
Obviously, if you just stand in front of someone, you will be hit more often, so I'm not going to look into the fact that he was stunned too much. If Floyd was on his bike, Shane might never have touched him.

Roach is probably just fishing for a reaction from Floyd to get the hype game going.

if floyd didn't have the legs anymore he would have been on his ass in the 2nd. It's because he has strength in his legs that he wasn't.

Floyd's style has changed though. He's a lot more willing to stand toe to toe now.

i think the title should of been, roach:i hope mayweathers legs have gone;D

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if floyd didn't have the legs anymore he would have been on his ass in the 2nd. It's because he has strength in his legs that he wasn't.

Floyd's style has changed though. He's a lot more willing to stand toe to toe now.

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He is not talking about strength he is saying Floyd's movement is not what it was.

Roach is spot on about a couple of things

Mosley did indeed become an old man overnight. Anybody thats seen mosleys wars with vargas, wright, de la hoya etc etc will tell you that shane even in defeat has been able to stand toe to toe with his opponent and after taking a shot throw one right back at him. It just was not there on the night and mosley fought mayweather in straight lines.

Mayweather is indeed the smartest fighter in the game today and quite possibly of all time. He knows how to take his opponents strong points out of the equasion and neutralise his attacks through slick punching and not allowing himself to get drawn into a fight. Floyd has the gift of amazingly quick hands and while his footwork may not quite be that of floyd at featherweight he more than makes up for that with far superior power.

I cant look past pacquiao if they were to ever meet on his last 4performances he almost seems as if he is a class above every other fighter in the world right now. Mayweather wouldnt be able to take pac off the front foot because mannys speed and agility has him out of there before the opponent knows anyway. Floyd getting caught with good solid clean punches exchange after exchange would be fascinating because he would have to find a way to neutralise pacs blinding speed

I agree with paddy, roach hopes floyds legs are gone.

If Pac decides to prove he's not a steroid using cheating bastard, I think by round 5 floyd will be toe to toe with him, pushing him back and breaking his heart just like he did with mosley. Roaches origonal gameplan of having to try and catch up with floyd went out the window last weekend.

i personally think that it was mayweathers gameplan to stand and trade, i think he would of had no problems gettin on his bike if needs be.

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i personally think that it was mayweathers gameplan to stand and trade, i think he would of had no problems gettin on his bike if needs be.

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Yup, floyd just emulated how winky did it. Gloves up move forward behind a strong jab. If that hadn't of worked it would have been on the bike and steal the rounds.

another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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i personally think that it was mayweathers gameplan to stand and trade, i think he would of had no problems gettin on his bike if needs be.

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Yup, floyd just emulated how winky did it. Gloves up move forward behind a strong jab. If that hadn't of worked it would have been on the bike and steal the rounds.

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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I stand by what I've said.

I also stand by my opinion that I doubt the fight will happen.

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if floyd didn't have the legs anymore he would have been on his ass in the 2nd. It's because he has strength in his legs that he wasn't.

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Yeah I agree. It must of took a lot to keep himself upright.

If only he had been hit with an uppercut as he stood up, he might of took off!

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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I stand by what I've said.

I also stand by my opinion that I doubt the fight will happen.

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agreed

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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I stand by what I've said.

I also stand by my opinion that I doubt the fight will happen.

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for the sake of my sanity i hope it does

This was done purely to provoke a response. That's it. I think when it comes to head games like this, Roach is ten steps ahead of most trainers. I'm not saying that means Manny beats Floyd hands down, but Roach is alright with the head games. I thought he got into Cotto's trainers head pretty good. As for Shane getting old overnight, I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to take away from Floyds performance even if I do hate the guy. He got his bell rung and he made adjustments. I don't think Shane has slowed all that much. He just realized that while he's fast, Floyd is much much faster. And another thing, has anyone ever seen another fighter throw a nasty cross off the back foot like Floyd? I saw alot of moving the head back to avoid a punch, then flashing with that cross. Nailed mosely more than a couple of times with that.

Floyd looked with a potential vulnerability for all the time Moseley had gas. Does it mean Pacman will automatically beat him? No. Just that the possibility it could happen is there and it has to be seriously considered. Roach is to me the best coach actually and I think that he's just trying to spread doubt into Mayweather's head. I just see that as a war of words and trying to play in the other's head seance. Floyd just showed he can get hit flush by strong blows by fast fighters, I don't think he lost his legs, especially as he never received a proper beating during his career.

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Roach is spot on about a couple of things

Mosley did indeed become an old man overnight. Anybody thats seen mosleys wars with vargas, wright, de la hoya etc etc will tell you that shane even in defeat has been able to stand toe to toe with his opponent and after taking a shot throw one right back at him. It just was not there on the night and mosley fought mayweather in straight lines.

Mayweather is indeed the smartest fighter in the game today and quite possibly of all time. He knows how to take his opponents strong points out of the equasion and neutralise his attacks through slick punching and not allowing himself to get drawn into a fight. Floyd has the gift of amazingly quick hands and while his footwork may not quite be that of floyd at featherweight he more than makes up for that with far superior power.

I cant look past pacquiao if they were to ever meet on his last 4performances he almost seems as if he is a class above every other fighter in the world right now. Mayweather wouldnt be able to take pac off the front foot because mannys speed and agility has him out of there before the opponent knows anyway. Floyd getting caught with good solid clean punches exchange after exchange would be fascinating because he would have to find a way to neutralise pacs blinding speed

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good post mate and that is the reason i want to see this one... manny's pressure over Floyd's slick boxing style... i know where my money will be going after watching rd 2 last weekend ;)

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Roach is spot on about a couple of things

Mosley did indeed become an old man overnight.

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Mosley has always fought in straight lines and very square on, it was his hand speed that made him what he was, he got hit, his defence wasnt great and neither was his head movement, if he fought someone with a poor defence hed do well but fighting Floyd who can actualy get out the way of a punch and who also has fast acurate hands, he stood no chance.

He also couldnt take any EPO, that didnt help either;)

Think it's silly to say this cause Floyd wasn't on his bike for one fight.

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

I agree with Jaz whole heartedly. If pac was to be effective, he must be 100% effective until such point that the fight may end.

In other words, Pacquiao better 'own' Mayweather for 12 rounds or knock him out quickly or else Floyd will quickly learn to exploit & expose Manny to which point were he'll more than likely quit.

More I think about it the more I see Pac getting smashed up, Mayweather is a fully grown Welter now he has grown into the weight well the break did him well, he has the power to stop Pac maybe not ko him but he will do enough damage for the ref to stop it, i'm with Jaz late stoppage for Mayweather.

If 10/11 is still going if the fight gets confirmed for Mayweather I am all over it.

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...=873381against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

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Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

pac doesnt quit! i may sound like a nut hugger but he doesnt quit.

yes pbf has the speed and maybe power. but pac has a granite chin. he will not go down. and to add he will not stop!


if pac catches pbf just like the 2nd round he will stop pbf.

if we look back whenever roach makes a comment. chances are its true.

pbf was hit and was rocked! if pac can rock pbf it will be over!

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

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Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

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He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect :-\

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

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He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

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Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

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He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect :-\

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

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Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

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Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

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He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect :-\

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

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Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

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I love it when you try and get into the technical side of the fights Hammer, you're like Teddy Atlas' paralytic cockney nephew. Big H doesn't stand a chance ;D

Pac won't beat mayweather for one reason and one reason alone.

He ain't good enough.

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I don't agree with Roach.

Mayweather showed good movement against Marquez.

Against Mosley, he opted to put the pressure on and it worked. If he wanted to box Mosley, he would of done it.

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Roach is spot on about a couple of things

Mosley did indeed become an old man overnight. Anybody thats seen mosleys wars with vargas, wright, de la hoya etc etc will tell you that shane even in defeat has been able to stand toe to toe with his opponent and after taking a shot throw one right back at him. It just was not there on the night and mosley fought mayweather in straight lines.

Mayweather is indeed the smartest fighter in the game today and quite possibly of all time. He knows how to take his opponents strong points out of the equasion and neutralise his attacks through slick punching and not allowing himself to get drawn into a fight. Floyd has the gift of amazingly quick hands and while his footwork may not quite be that of floyd at featherweight he more than makes up for that with far superior power.

I cant look past pacquiao if they were to ever meet on his last 4performances he almost seems as if he is a class above every other fighter in the world right now. Mayweather wouldnt be able to take pac off the front foot because mannys speed and agility has him out of there before the opponent knows anyway. Floyd getting caught with good solid clean punches exchange after exchange would be fascinating because he would have to find a way to neutralise pacs blinding speed

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good post mate and that is the reason i want to see this one... manny's pressure over Floyd's slick boxing style... i know where my money will be going after watching rd 2 last weekend ;)

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All due respect buddy, you're seriously comparing Pac's punch power to Mosley's at welterweight??

Pac ain't gonna get it done with power against Floyd - If it happens it will be through a volume of his hardest shots/Floyd not seeing the punches and Floyd rarely doesn't see punches.

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I don't agree with Roach.

Mayweather showed good movement against Marquez.

Against Mosley, he opted to put the pressure on and it worked. If he wanted to box Mosley, he would of done it.

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Pugilistic, I think your first signature shows Roach that Floyds legs aren't gone. :cool:

Lol...at roach, if he beat mosley that bad without them he'd better pray floyd looses his arms too. All this crap is just plain silly. Don't move he's lost his legs. Move to much he's running. How bout you not worry bout floyd and get your guy to take the freakin test, or has pac lost his blood all of the sudden ? I wouldn't bash the guy, cause if he beats pac that just makes pac look that much worse for not beating an old floyd with no legs. If mosely won he'd be the greatest thing since ali right now, but he looses and off to the shelf of guys he's beaten with excuses beside his name. Pac is great, floyd is great so just let them fight ! Whatever weakness roach belives floyd has i doubt he'd been dumb enough to tell the media. Till pac takes the test it's all blah blah blah blah blah....same with the crap floyd spews out of his mouth.

Freddie roach has become the most annoying trainer out there. I think he believes is is becoming a big attraction...

Mayweather still has legs.

I'm giving up on predicting, I don't think anyone can say with real conviction who will win, anyone with an ounce of sense realises they both have qualities and it is a facinating fight. Should it happen.

Who is faster?
Who punches harder?
Who has the best chin?
Will Pac catch Floyd?
Will Floyd avoid Pac?

Be honest with yourself, you might think you know, but in truth, you won't know.

Do people need to be constantly reminded of Pac's performances against Marquez?! Marquez is the best fighter Pac has faced...period. Some may argue that Pac wasn't as "complete" a fighter in their first fight...fine. But he clearly was by their second fight...and Marquez showed that a skilled counter puncher will give Pac fits. Well...Floyd is faster and just plain overall more skilled than Marquez. Has anyone seen Pac have a Plan B in any of his fights? He fights one way...overwhelming his opponents with his pressure and stamina. But if you cannot adapt against someone like Floyd...you will get picked off all night. Lets not forget that Floyd thrives in the gym. The guy has incredible stamina. He isn't Oscar, Cotto, or Hatton. If he needs to dance all night...he will dance. If he needs to counter...he will counter. If he needs to be more offensive...he will be (as he showed against Mosley). And he can do all 3 things in the same fight. He has a plan A, B, and C. Pac will be a tremendous challenge for Floyd...simply because Floyd has never faced a GREAT PRIME fighter with so much momentum. But Pac has never faced a fighter has smart, fast, and skilled as Floyd.

Roach is clutching at straws, Floyd was a lot better than he thought. Pac is in some trouble.

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another thing i disagree with is roach saying mayweather doesnt hit hard at the weight, i think he proved he hits plenty hard enough when he fought mosley, he buzzed him on numerous occasions i thought

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To be fair mate you had it perfectly spot on with your original assessment. Roach is blowing hot air here, if he actually believes that floyd is on the decline after that performance he`d have himself commited in a mental home.

Hornfinger - pac will go toe to toe for 12solid rounds, he has done it with out and out warriors and mayweather aint a fighter. Floyds best chance against manny would be a performance not too dissimilar to saturday night. Take your opponent out of the game by making him come find you and fight him at your pace before eventually going through the gears and towards the end of rounds becoming the aggressor through sheer speed

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He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes against Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

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The first shot he took very well...but the temple shot would have put most people down especially considering he didn't even see it..Think that may be an overstatement. Floyd's chin is still very much unquestionable...