Roach:mayweather doesnt have his legs anymore

[HattonTheHammer]

He completely disproved that in Round 2 on Saturday when he took Mosley's best shots (this is Shane who has flat KO'd 80% of his opp) and came forward fighting. Not even talking the rest of the fight, he was doing it in that round. Not to mention his fights with Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez and Castillo.

His chin may have got overrated a bit in light of Saturday, but his heart shouldn't be underestimated, he's never shown a bit of quit in him. I'll catch heat for saying this, but for all warrior ways, I think Pac has shown a limit in the first fight with Morales and the second with Marquez, where he actually didn't want to go back out, Roach made him.

I think Mayweather will stop him in the 9th or 10th. As good as Pac is, he made some mistakes Clottey that would have been punished by a better fighter. Not counting him out by any means, Pac is always quick out of the blocks and Mayweather is a slow starter, so it's possible he stops him early. One facet of Pac's game that has been overestimated in the last few days is his finishing ability, I'd definitely stress that imo, Shane is the better finisher of the two.

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

[JazMerkin]

Mosley landed one monster all fight and that was the right hand that hurt floyd bad in the second. He then failed to follow that up and mayweather did an excellent job of getting through the right hand by keeping his guard up and smothering mosleys attempt to get clean shots off.

Sure he hurt floyd we all saw that. But he also ran out of ideas extremely quickly and seemed to lose the will to fight from 5onwards just going through the motions.

Wont happen with pac. You could even ask the most diehard of mayweather fans and they will tell you if that fight ever took place 1-4 would be the rounds where mayweather would have to neutralise his opponent and stay out of harms way early doors. Pacquiao can drop anyone at the drop of a hat. If he is losing the fight by a mile come round 10 he has that ability to pop the overhand and follow it up with a straight cross that can put anyone including floyd mayweather to sleep!!!

He landed two. Mosley has almost never had an opponent hurt before and failed to finish. The only times that has happened was in the Cotto fight, and the first fight with Forrest, where the flurry came too late. Give him a 13th round in both those, and he's got two less L's on his record.

I also have to question that second bolded part, throwing an overhand followed by a cross is a fuckery to do without losing your balance, which would leave him in terrible trouble if he didn't connect

The first 3 rounds are where Pac is dangerous as I said, but after that I think Mayweather will adapt and find a way to beat him, leading to either a corner or ref stoppage.

Mosley lost the will because of what his opponent was doing. Jim made an excellent point about him making opponents do 'the nunchuk shuffle'. This is because these fantastically skilled fighters like Zab, Oscar and Shane are used to finding ways to pick holes in an opponent. They couldn't do it, and that's why Shane lost the will because what worked for him his entire career didn't this time.

Ive betted against pac too many times to suggest he isnt the best fighter in the world right now

floyds got the style and the confidence, but pacquiao has the raw qualitys of blistering speed and thunderbolt power to trouble anyone. If pacs getting off clean shots early in it`ll be floyd on his twinkle toes for 12rounds and roach will have the sense to tell pacquiao not to go chasing the fight and fall into mayweathers trap but to relax the punches and stick with the flurried assaults

I love it when you try and get into the technical side of the fights Hammer, you're like Teddy Atlas' paralytic cockney nephew. Big H doesn't stand a chance

[Hornfinger]

Pac won't beat mayweather for one reason and one reason alone.

He ain't good enough.

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