Mma vs box

Okay this thread isn´t really about mmma vs box, but close tho!
Me and my friend are having this debate : Who would punch harder in a street fight, a good MMA fighter our a good boxer. The logic i used is that boxers, focus much more on punching alone than mma fighters, and practice punching a lot more than mma fighters, now the logic he used is that a boxer will get used to some 12oz gloves, and get used to punching with those gloves, he said that surely the boxer would punch harder than the mma fighter would they to fight both with 12oz gloves. BUT he said that in a streetfight, the mma fighter could punch much harder and faster, he said that punching with a 12oz glove just isn´t the same as punching without gloves.

I'd say the boxer would punch harder, for the same reasons you gave.

same on the otherwise Alot of princibles Size, Weight, Training, Experiance Ect. Sayingthat whats the weight of MMa Gloves 6-8oz? My weight Division Tends to Fight with 8oz And i can honestly say They feel liek nothing.

one thing that I can't stand about MMA is that they hit a man when he is down...Can't get over the feeling that this kind of move is pussy shit....

I tried to like this sport, I really have but every time I see that, it pisses me off. Let the man get up and see if you can knock him out...

a boxer is the harder puncher. simply cause thats the only thing they practice. the proper stance to throw a punch.

re punching an opponent when down, on a street fight there are no rules. you cant expect your opponent to not tag you while youre down. its a survival thing and honor is thrown out of the window. heck a sucker punch is an effective weapon in street fights.

mma is pretty close to a street fight than boxing so naturally punches while the opponent is down is allowed.

A boxer, in the same way a football player would probably kick you harder in the nuts than an MMA player.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

a boxer is the harder puncher. simply cause thats the only thing they practice. the proper stance to throw a punch.

re punching an opponent when down, on a street fight there are no rules. you cant expect your opponent to not tag you while youre down. its a survival thing and honor is thrown out of the window. heck a sucker punch is an effective weapon in street fights.

mma is pretty close to a street fight than boxing so naturally punches while the opponent is down is allowed.

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true, however rough mma seems its really not that bad or brutal as the ground is where a bjj practisioner would prefer his fight to be so he wouldnt mind a good striker trying to hit him while hes down thats part of the sport, but its nothing like a street fight tbh there are rules to be bent in mma as there is in boxing, as a martial artist i dont like to admit but even a well rounded cage fighter can easily lose to an untrained person in a street fight i used to work the doors and id see it all the time doormen who thought they where invincible because they went to a poor cage fighting lesson once a week (often just to declare themselves cage fighters to people to try and intimidate people rather than actually obtain any real fighting skill or for a want to actually compete), i learned a good lesson in a fight i had with a traveller in a petrol station as he was trying to bite my ear off and gouge my eyes out while i was expecting a sportman-like roll i got a real street fight where i even found myself having to try and break the lads fingers and grab his windpipe to get the upper hand which just isnt my style like i said im a martial artist, true i wasnt willing to take it as far as him and try to gouge his eye andor crush his windpipe to probably end up in prison and to be honest it wasnt somthing that i would have thought to do myself in a fight if he hadnt done it first but it goes to show how my bjj training was useless in that case, no matter how much you think cage fighting will make you a good street fighter its just not true because there are still rules in cage fighting and in the street there isnt. and youll always come across some nutter whos willing to go to prison over somthing as trivial as looking at them funny, thats why i think the best place to be in any street fight is on your feet to avoid having soft spots like this attacked and aswell if a blade comes into it then there is time to think about turning and running not to mention as soon as a fight goes to the ground nowadays guaranteed some spineless onlooker will then proceed to join in and start stomping you when he feels its safe to.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

one thing that I can't stand about MMA is that they hit a man when he is down...Can't get over the feeling that this kind of move is pussy shit....

I tried to like this sport, I really have but every time I see that, it pisses me off. Let the man get up and see if you can knock him out...

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....Yeah I'm also against that just because it's not very sporting.

Boxers will punch better because punching and blocking punches are all boxers focus on. MMA fighters also tend to push their punches or just throw wild winging punches....that's not ideal for any kind of fighting.

I re-opened this debate (sort of) with a friend last night while watching UFC something or other.

Not even sure how recent the card was, but it was a good one.

The conversation started while watching Chuck Liddell batter a guy, with neither prepared to go to ground and both stood and fought the whole fight.

It got me thinking, someone like Liddell, there can't be many boxers that would knock him out? The guy is solid! Not sure on his weight though, but I'm sure he could avoid heavyweight.

He can take a punch and can land massive bombs, he would trouble many boxers.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

I re-opened this debate (sort of) with a friend last night while watching UFC something or other.

Not even sure how recent the card was, but it was a good one.

The conversation started while watching Chuck Liddell batter a guy, with neither prepared to go to ground and both stood and fought the whole fight.

It got me thinking, someone like Liddell, there can't be many boxers that would knock him out? The guy is solid! Not sure on his weight though, but I'm sure he could avoid heavyweight.

He can take a punch and can land massive bombs, he would trouble many boxers.

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Clearly an old Chuck fight bud, cos he now has NO chin as proven by Rich Franklin in his last fight :o

Back in the day he was one of the toughest SOB's in the game, unfortunately now a shot fighter :(

Must have been old then, his record was 23-5 going into the fight, so maybe you can guage it by that.

The whole card was pretty good, it was on Five USA+1 at about 1am this morning!

It also had a guy who managed to pull off a switch to arm bar in one of the slickest and fastest ways I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

I re-opened this debate (sort of) with a friend last night while watching UFC something or other.

Not even sure how recent the card was, but it was a good one.

The conversation started while watching Chuck Liddell batter a guy, with neither prepared to go to ground and both stood and fought the whole fight.

It got me thinking, someone like Liddell, there can't be many boxers that would knock him out? The guy is solid! Not sure on his weight though, but I'm sure he could avoid heavyweight.

He can take a punch and can land massive bombs, he would trouble many boxers.

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A fight between him and Herbie Hide would be good fun

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Originally Posted by 0james0

I re-opened this debate (sort of) with a friend last night while watching UFC something or other.

Not even sure how recent the card was, but it was a good one.

The conversation started while watching Chuck Liddell batter a guy, with neither prepared to go to ground and both stood and fought the whole fight.

It got me thinking, someone like Liddell, there can't be many boxers that would knock him out? The guy is solid! Not sure on his weight though, but I'm sure he could avoid heavyweight.

He can take a punch and can land massive bombs, he would trouble many boxers.

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A fight between him and Herbie Hide would be good fun

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Yu are dreamin in technicolor if you think a mma fighter would come close to a world ranked boxer in terms of punching power.

I havent seen a mma fighter that would last very long in a true boxing match against a ranked opponent

"All we do is work our punching".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfnGkV6qmTw&feature=fvsr

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Originally Posted by 0james0

I It got me thinking, someone like Liddell, there can't be many boxers that would knock him out? The guy is solid! Not sure on his weight though, but I'm sure he could avoid heavyweight.

He can take a punch and can land massive bombs, he would trouble many boxers.

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Chuck didn't have the SKILL to be a boxer...he could bang for an MMA fighter but in boxing it's hit and don't get hit and Rampage showed just how easy it is to counter Chuck. Look up their second fight and you'll see for yourself, low hands, chin up high in the air, doesn't use angles or a jab to work in he just leaps in with a power punch and it's goodnight sweetheart

i think this video is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwjTNn5vXjw

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

Clearly an old Chuck fight bud, cos he now has NO chin as proven by Rich Franklin in his last fight :o

Back in the day he was one of the toughest SOB's in the game, unfortunately now a shot fighter :(

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But "old Chuck" Had enough left to break Franklin's arm with a kick.

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Originally Posted by badr_hari

i think this video is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwjTNn5vXjw

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My kids and the wife where giving me some funny looks with the sounds coming out of my laptop... but yeah FUNNY ;D;D;D

Ummmmm, I think it really depends on who we are talking about.

Lots of boxers don't hit hard. The only problem I have with this argument is the mythical skill level that comes into play when talking about boxer vs mma.

Are we talking about someone like Cory Spinks, Paulie M? These are world class boxers that don't punch hard.

Gloves may be irrelevant. I think it boils down to the fighter. I’m sure some boxers could hit harder than mma guys, but there are some mma guys who hit harder than boxers.

Not sure if this would help or not, but here is many JKD instructor’s view on a similar topic, you can check it out for no charge: JKDnewsletter.com

George St. Pierre as a boxer?

He's currently training with Roach and Manny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqcyR8MOapM

I'll give my thoughts...

A boxer is used to hitting with his hands wrapped, foam padded and then padded by gloves, somtimes up to 16oz during bag work etc.

This is primarily to proect his hands because generally bones in your hand aren't large enough to disperse the force generated... if you hit a reletavily padded object such as a head guard you'll know about it if you do it enough times and you'll know about it... anybody who's competed here even WEARING gloves will probably have had to stick there fists in ice after a fight if they can bang even a little bit. That's from hitting a human skull, harder than concrete... but you can pretty much punch as hard as you want to all night long without SERIOUS pain.

Try that shit bare knuckle and you'll probably break your hand if it's a solid hit.

MMA fighters on the other hand (excuse the pun) fight and train with a relativly small ammount of padding on the hands, to allow for grappling and because 'striking' is not a major part of the sport.

because of being conditioned this way I believe that in a street fight an MMA fighter is neurologically wired to pull his punches a little more because his body knows that it will break it's bones if it doesn't.

A boxer doesn't have this neurological brake, so he's more likely to swing with everything bare knuckle at what is essentiall concrete. When you factor in the fact that the boxer works exclusively on developing his punching as his form of attack and hasn't developed any inhibitions to punching a target with full force:

Who is more likely to hit harder? A Boxer
Who is less likely to fracture their had? An MMA fighter.

nothing to do with strength, technique, stronger bones or what ever you want to say... MMA fighters have to exercise more restraint in punching more for various reasons so are more likely to do it when the risk of breaking their hand is highest.

If you're just judging on punches, I would take a hit by a MMA fighter over a boxer. The boxer will probably break his hand but not before he puts you on the floor with one good punch. But if you consider the overall skill set of each athlete, I think the MMA fighter is a much better and more physical of a fighter than a boxer. The only thing a boxer knows is to punch unlike a MMA fighter. -Jennifer Crestal, Medical Insurance Advisor

I agree, MMA has a much wider skill set... but most bxers know more than just punching... ;)

You've also got head butts, elbows and grappling going on. Not that it means much but don't pigeon hole a boxer to just punching if we're talking no holds barred.
To be honest I find the whole MMA v boxing thing a bit stupid... as a sport each is a different discipline, up against each other one on one MMA would beat boxing a lot of the time.

But that's like saying that rugby players are better at football (soccer) than footballers... if a rugy team played a football team and picked the ball up and carried it whilst the footballers could only kick the ball then of course they'd win.

So the one on one thing is a bit stupid... as far as an actual street fight goes an arm bar or a choke hold aren't going to be much help... real rights don't last that long unless you're a bunch of teenagers fighting each other in a circle in a school playground

If you're in a bar fight then landing the first good punch is what's going to win it... any 'take downs' etc? forget it... as soon as it's on the floor the likely hood is that his mates will be kicking the shit out of the back of your head or worse, forgot your arm bars etc

An MMa fighter may have a wider range of skills but I don'tthink that they can actually apply that many more to the majority of fights you could end up in, it's al very well when you get guys sat on the mat talking about doing this or doing that but reality is often different... too many curveballs.

another dumb debate between MMA & BOXING

All the garbage about a boxer not being able to hit hard without 12-0z gloves is so stupid.
All logic must have been left in the garbage bin.

All this argument between MMA and BOXING is pointless, and who is trying to prove what.

some fighters can hit hard and some can't and if you can hit hard then there will be more power
and effectivemforce without gloves based on a number of factors including common sense.

MMA gloves are 4 oz for whoever asked.

If you just want to talk punching, the boxer wins the majority of the time. But if you want to talk street fights, MMA all day long.

How many boxers can read a leg kick coming? How many can properly check one? What about head kicks? What about a Muay Thai clinch (both hands clasped around the back of the head and neck for control, ideal for throwing knees to the face)?

Boxers are better punchers, no question about that. But mixed martial artists are better fighters