So....is war in the Middle East imminent?

It's not looking good right now, and things seem to be escalating.

Iran is about to be sanctioned it seems for their nuclear program, their loony President has repeated all week his desire to see Israel destroyed, saying they have sealed their fate following the Flotilla incident.

I imagine Turkey and Syria, along with Hezbollah and Hamas will be licking their lips like Hyenas at this and Russia and China could well be waiting in the wings.

Obviously the Iranians have their own aid convoys en route to Gaza next and although they have said they are not going to go via Israel's blockade I imagine this could still be a tense week and they are not exactly going to be welcomed by the Israeli's.

I can really this kicking off brutally soon if something isn't done.

My own feeling is that Iran will threaten Israel, that it's neighbours will also start making threats, some incident will happen and threaten Israeli security, and the Jews be forced into launching some preemptive strike and battering the Iranians and then who knows what might happen....

Worrying times ahead imo.

Very worrying times indeed, who the fukk approved irans nuclear program, their president is a fukkin nutjob. Definately cause for concern

Interesting article on it here. Sounds like a real dilemma for Israel....

International conflict: War between Israel and Iran in 2010? | Capital Flow Watch

It's quite a worrying situation indeed, not sure how far it',ll go but a lot of innocents on both side are on the line and it reeks: If Iranians would want to send some help for Gaza, normally I would be ok with it and I would also be ok with them being angry if their convoys would be attacked. However, as Bilbo stated, their President is a freak, the kind of freak you can't but have to take seriously because of the power he has but the very last man who should seat anywhere near power. I imagine that after the stupid war Israel waged on Lebanon, obliterating the country but being kicked out badly by a Nasrallah, losing more soldiers than the Hezbollah lost men and getting 16 tanks destroyed on top, The Hezbollah could be keen in kicking them in the teeth... I guess that Syria and Iran wouldn't mind a little help after having been bullied for years and Turkey, if they do not provide help, won't let the american use their territory to help Israel if needs is there....
I don't think that Israel would use the nuke though because they know that if they do that, there is no more Jerusalem on the map but nastiness can be titan like on both side... Bad time to live in the Middle East I tell ya.

I see no way, short of regime change and perhaps complete revolution in Iran, that war can be avoided.

Biblical stuff aside, what interests do China and Russia have in the Middle East that would cause them to go to war on the side of the Arabs? Is it just oil like everyone else? For some reason I always thought/assumed that China had their own oil resources.

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Very worrying times indeed, who the fukk approved irans nuclear program, their president is a fukkin nutjob. Definately cause for concern

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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Well if they don't want to get preemptively bombed to shit they do. :p

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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Well if they don't want to get preemptively bombed to shit they do. :p

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Who's bombing them?

I don't think a simple diffusion of their nuclear program would really deter an Iran-Israeli war in the long-term, though I could be wrong. It's Iran's bat-shit crazy leader that's the problem IMO.

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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Well if they don't want to get preemptively bombed to shit they do. :p

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Who's bombing them?

I don't think a simple diffusion of their nuclear program would really deter an Iran-Israeli war in the long-term, though I could be wrong. It's Iran's bat-shit crazy leader that's the problem IMO.

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Well there is no way in hell Isreal will allow them to get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad has today refused to continue talks over the program if the sanctions against Iran get passed and instead gone on some crazy counteroffensive accusing the US of kidnapping one of their scientists.

I saw a youtube video with the army general of Iran saying if Israel do try and attack they will wipe them out of existance in 11 days. Good luck with that is all I can say.

My guess is Turkey will side with them, their prime minister and president are both known to be strongly tied in with radical Islamists, and are using last week's incident to break ties with Israel.

Last week's events may turn out to be one of those pivotal moments, like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, or the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Russia are arming Iran with a modern anti aircraft missile defence so Israel will have to strike soonish. I think it's clear also that they are unlikely to count on the support of Obama any more and are increasingly seeing themselves as completely alone.

I really don't want to see war, but part of me kind of wants these Arabs to try it and attack Israel only for Ahmadinejad and his allies to get completely annihilated.

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Very worrying times indeed, who the fukk approved irans nuclear program, their president is a fukkin nutjob. Definately cause for concern

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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Well if they don't want to get preemptively bombed to shit they do. :p

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Who's bombing them?

I don't think a simple diffusion of their nuclear program would really deter an Iran-Israeli war in the long-term, though I could be wrong. It's Iran's bat-shit crazy leader that's the problem IMO.

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Well there is no way in hell Isreal will allow them to get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad has today refused to continue talks over the program if the sanctions against Iran get passed and instead gone on some crazy counteroffensive accusing the US of kidnapping one of their scientists.

I saw a youtube video with the army general of Iran saying if Israel do try and attack they will wipe them out of existance in 11 days. Good luck with that is all I can say.

My guess is Turkey will side with them, their prime minister and president are both known to be strongly tied in with radical Islamists, and are using last week's incident to break ties with Israel.

Last week's events may turn out to be one of those pivotal moments, like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, or the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Russia are arming Iran with a modern anti aircraft missile defence so Israel will have to strike soonish. I think it's clear also that they are unlikely to count on the support of Obama any more and are increasingly seeing themselves as completely alone.

I really don't want to see war, but part of me kind of wants these Arabs to try it and attack Israel only for Ahmadinejad and his allies to get completely annihilated.

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Turkey would be insane to join in. Utterly insane.

I would hate to see war, especially this type of war where there would be long-standing racial and ethnic hatreds in addition to two (maybe even three depending on who joins in) different religious ideologies. That could lead to some terrible things.

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Very worrying times indeed, who the fukk approved irans nuclear program, their president is a fukkin nutjob. Definately cause for concern

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I don't understand what that means, Iran doesn't need anyone to approve their nuclear program.

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Well if they don't want to get preemptively bombed to shit they do. :p

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Who's bombing them?

I don't think a simple diffusion of their nuclear program would really deter an Iran-Israeli war in the long-term, though I could be wrong. It's Iran's bat-shit crazy leader that's the problem IMO.

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Well there is no way in hell Isreal will allow them to get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad has today refused to continue talks over the program if the sanctions against Iran get passed and instead gone on some crazy counteroffensive accusing the US of kidnapping one of their scientists.

I saw a youtube video with the army general of Iran saying if Israel do try and attack they will wipe them out of existance in 11 days. Good luck with that is all I can say.

My guess is Turkey will side with them, their prime minister and president are both known to be strongly tied in with radical Islamists, and are using last week's incident to break ties with Israel.

Last week's events may turn out to be one of those pivotal moments, like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, or the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Russia are arming Iran with a modern anti aircraft missile defence so Israel will have to strike soonish. I think it's clear also that they are unlikely to count on the support of Obama any more and are increasingly seeing themselves as completely alone.

I really don't want to see war, but part of me kind of wants these Arabs to try it and attack Israel only for Ahmadinejad and his allies to get completely annihilated.

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If they fight like an army of fifth generation should like the Hezbollah did, they could hurt Israel a lot... imagine that, the Hezbollah absolutely nut sacked Israel, to the point where it caused a damn stirrup in Israel at the time, more soldiers killed than hezbollah warriors, they lost 16 Merkava if my memory is correct and didn't find their two kidnapped soldiers... Also, Israel's budget is tight like a virgin's booty, they couldn't fight a war of attrition, especially because Iran is a damn damn big land to control with many hostile territories and if ever they receive the new anti-missile system of the Russians along with their new sonic ballistic missile.... they are in for a long day if they have to go to the attrition's war.

I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

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I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

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There is a huge difference between Ahmadinejad and any mainstream Israeli leader. They're incomparable.

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I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

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There is a huge difference between Ahmadinejad and any mainstream Israeli leader. They're incomparable.

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I agree that Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon, but that doesn't escape the fact that Israel is the only nation in the region right now willing to step beyond loose rhetoric and actually use force to bully it's weak neighbors. You say they are incomparable, but I disagree.

Ahmadinejad is always running his mouth about this and that, but he never does anything about it. The region would better off nuclear free and that includes Israel too.

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I see no way, short of regime change and perhaps complete revolution in Iran, that war can be avoided.

Biblical stuff aside, what interests do China and Russia have in the Middle East that would cause them to go to war on the side of the Arabs? Is it just oil like everyone else? For some reason I always thought/assumed that China had their own oil resources.

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China is the second highest consumer of oil at 7.99 million barrels per day, Russia comes in fourth at 2.8 million barrels per day.

China produces 3.725 million barrels per day which leaves a 4.265 million barrel a day deficit clearly the must make up that deficit

Russia on the other hand 9.876 millions barrels per day leaving a surplus of over 7 million barrels per day, however their government is run by oil tycoons, there is no that's enough oil scenario here.

Nobody is going to attack Iran while there is a possibility of a nuclear weapon (except maybe Israel of course, but the US, EU, UK will not be the ones to preemptively strike). The precedent has already been set by the worlds reaction to North Korea.

As to the point of Turkey siding with Iran, I don't think that's likely they know who has the bigger arsenal.

The frightening truth however is war is a very real possibility. As a microcosm of M.A.D. there are certainly reflections to be made about the cold war here, with war monger corporations (Lockheed, Northup Grumman etc.) making vast fortunes. The difference being Gorbachev and Reagan were much more stable heads of state. And currently the puppeteers of the middle east from around the globe standing to make vast fortunes on raping the desert of it's oil.

Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians? :p

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians? :p

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Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio ;)

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians? :p

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Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio ;)

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How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians? :p

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Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio ;)

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How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

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Yeah you would think, but the Jews have.....other advantages. Seriously if every nation on earth waged war against Isreal (and it will happen eventually) Israel will still win.

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Sorry guys but i don't watch a lot of news so i dont have much clue about what going on between Israel and Iran, I know Iran was bombed by the Israelis and there were lots of civilian deaths? I would be very greatful if someone could fill me in and just give me a summary of whats happening between these countries you dont have to make it huge. Muchly appreciate it guys :)

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ha you're right you don't watch the news much! Israel haven't bombed Iran yet.

Anyway the crisis revolves around Iran's nuclear program. They are close to having the capability to build nukes, and Israel cannot allow that to happen as Iran is run by a crackpot whose foreign policy towards Israel is their total destruction.

If Iran get to the point where they could have nuclear weapons that could be used on Israel, the Jews may have no choice but to preemptively strike and bomb all of Iran's nuclear production facilities to prevent them from completing the bomb.

Iran have a lot of very powerful supporters however, not least Russia and China and so potentially this could end up a world of trouble, and in an absolute worst case scenario a Third World War.

It shouldn't come to that, but there's an awful of simmering under the surface of the Middle East right now, and it could erupt big time.

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Thanks for that Bilbo! Is Iran's leader a muslim? And i've just read up a bit on the subject and im stumped as to why Israel is killing all these innocent Iranians? :p

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Yes aside from Israel the entire Middle East is muslim,and the Arab muslims despise the Jews. If you picture a Tolkienesque landscape with a few thousand beautiful and noble, immortal elves surrounded by millions and millions of ugly Orcs and Urak Hai led by dark sorcerers and evil overlords you'll have the right picture.

This has been going on for 3500 years with those mighty immortal elves (Jews) facing down the Dark Hordes in impossible circumstances. My sig will show you the nations and civilisations stupid enough to think they could take out the Jewish race and the status table will show you how that worked out for them.

If Iran and the Arab world do attack Israel they will get beaten worse and more one sidedly than Ricky Hatton against Manny Pacquaio ;)

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How so? Surely with Russia and China they would be some force?

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Yeah you would think, but the Jews have.....other advantages. Seriously if every nation on earth waged war against Isreal (and it will happen eventually) Israel will still win.

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What! No way!?

This is a typical Iranian Presidential speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO...eature=related

I like how wears that shitty little jacket all the time as well. There are literally dozens of videos of him on the net and he's always in that little jacket. He's shorter than me and looks like a gnarled and sun baked desert goblin or something.

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This is a typical Iranian Presidential speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo&feature=related

I like how wears that shitty little jacket all the time as well. There are literally dozens of videos of him on the net and he's always in that little jacket. He's shorter than me and looks like a gnarled and sun baked desert goblin or something.

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What a whacko!

There isn't going to be anything resembling a war in the region, only very one-sided military action by a rogue nation. If anything happens it'll be Israel, with its scaled-down version of the US army, attacking one of its infinitely weaker neighbours. It won't spread any further than that, China, Russia etc. would not get involved. Absent any Israeli attack there'll be no attacks on Israel by any other country. America doesn't want Israel bombing Iran while they have tens of thousands of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in situations Iran could make much worse for America should they want to do so. Israel would have to get permission from America to overfly Iraq in order to attack Iran so if it does happen the world would know that America agreed to the bombing. This would have big consequences in Iraq/Afghanistan.

And bombing Iran wouldn't prevent them getting a nuke, quite the opposite in fact. Right now Iran aren't building a nuke and the only thing that would make them do it is an Israeli and/or US attack. Even if Iran started building a nuke tomorrow attacking them would only delay them building one, not prevent it. Also nobody is going to invade Iran. America couldn't handle an insurgency derived from 5 million Iraqi Sunnis, they had to agree to withdraw after failing in their objectives. No way could America fight an insurgency derived from 50 million pissed-off Iranians who only kicked America's imposed dictator out a generation ago. Plus you have the oil issue, nobody wants skyrocketing oil prices with such a fragile recovery. Any attack on Iran probably is years away, but who knows with a rogue regime in charge in Tel Aviv.

More likely is Israel bombing Lebanon, Syria, or the Palestinians again, and that's probably a reverse order of likelyhood. As in the past this is most likely to happen before a general election in Israel or at a point when the government needs more political capital or prevent what exists of the Arab-Israeli peace process making progress.

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I hope it doesn't come down to war, but the double standards in the middle east are just astounding. Iran is to be sanctioned meanwhile Israel already has up to 300 nuclear warheads ready for use. Furthermore, they have a history of trying to sell said weaponry to other rogue states. With Israel's continued mistreatment of Gaza and frequent violations of international law they should be the ones suffering sanctions. Instead America uses the veto every single time and meanwhile continues to pump money into Israel. The hypocrisy is so blatant and there is not even any attempt to hide it.

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The big difference is that Iran is run by a fucking lunatic. You may disagree with much of what Israel does, as do I, but Iran is run by a nutcase dictator who sees it as his duty to bring about the end of the world. That man should not under any circumstances be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

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Israel appears to be heading along that path too right now. They are both quite unhinged. Weapons should be taken off of the both of them. To allow one to have them above the other is unjustified.

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There is a huge difference between Ahmadinejad and any mainstream Israeli leader. They're incomparable.

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I agree that Ahmadinejad is a loose cannon, but that doesn't escape the fact that Israel is the only nation in the region right now willing to step beyond loose rhetoric and actually use force to bully it's weak neighbors. You say they are incomparable, but I disagree.

Ahmadinejad is always running his mouth about this and that, but he never does anything about it. The region would better off nuclear free and that includes Israel too.

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Ahmadinejad has never threatened military action on Israel. And he's got zero control over foreign policy or the Iranian army, that's down to the clerics who've consistently said that Iran would never attack any other country unless attacked first. Ahmadinejad is like the mayor of Iran. He runs the country, the clerics rule the nation.

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Yep, totally agree Kirkland. Hating the Israeli's is far different than going all out to actually invade and try to destroy them. Obviously Iran doesn't have the power to do that and wouldn't be so brazen. The only way a conflict starts is if Israel itself once again goes off the handle.

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Yep, totally agree Kirkland. Hating the Israeli's is far different than going all out to actually invade and try to destroy them. Obviously Iran doesn't have the power to do that and wouldn't be so brazen. The only way a conflict starts is if Israel itself once again goes off the handle.

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Once again ;D When was the last time? They act only in self defence.

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Such bullies these damn Zionists, they should pick on someone their own size :rolleyes:

And I saw that the UN passed new harsher sanctions on Iran yeserday and that the US spent a good five months putting the package together. What a charade. The US has veto'ed how many resolutions against Israel since the early '70's? And yet sanctions are handed out to other less than moral regimes like confetti. Iraq, North Korea, Iran and so on Why no sanctions for the Saudi's? And far more importantly why no sanctions on the Israeli's? Oh, because America dictates things at the end of the day and we should like Israel. Interesting how most international terrorism comes out of Washington and most middle east terrorism comes from Israel. A lot of common bonds there. That and the powerful Jewish lobby in the States. I guess there isn't much of an Iranian lobby.

And some softies think Iran are the dangerous ones? Get the propaganda out of yer ears! Two states are armed up to the eyes with the most sophisticated weaponry (frequently shared between them) in this world and Iran isn't one of them. Iran poses far less a risk to the world than either one of those well armed states.

Let's not forget the recent fallacy of Iraq. The entire premise for war was a lie and that is only one of countless faulty premises invented by the US government since WW2. Usually they involve smaller state sponsored terrorist attacks. The bombing of Libya in the 1980's for instance was particularly random and all of the US evidence fabricated. It is just that the US media is unwilling to go against the interests of Washington Hawks.

The propaganda and hype about Iran is much the same thing. The very idea that people are talking of the need for regime change bewilders me. Iran is admittedly a very dodgy place, but is it any more dodgy than countless other states in the world? Would anyone like to live in Saudi Arabia for instance? So let's invade them right? Oh, but it isn't in our interests.

I think war is way off, but I wouldn't bet against mini America (Israel) attempting to do something nutty in order to bolster domestic standing. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Such bullies these damn Zionists, they should pick on someone their own size :rolleyes:

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They should stop bullying full stop, size doesn't come into it. It also helps that the other great sponsor of state led terrorist activity is right in their corner if push comes to shove. This is about nuclear weapons right? So why does tiny little Israel have an estimatel arsenal of around 300 right now? And Iran is being told "you are not allowed them". Iraq set the precedent. All states need to arm themselves with nuclear weapons incase of a preemptive strike by the US military. You don't even need evidence of wrongdoing, they will attack you anyway. It's been repeated over and over the past 50 years.

Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

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Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

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I don't like the Taliban either but the funny thing is that the Taliban has been put in place with the help of the CIA and the American Gov. They did that because they thought that by helping them, the Talibans would let them to use a pipeline on their territory to suck up petrol from the Caspian sea. When helping the bad guys serving your interests is ok and then very bad when they aren't doing the Yes Men, I call that hypocrisy. If they would have been ok with the pipeline, you can bet that the US would have never landed here and wouldn't give a flying f about the peoples over there.

IF you want a very good summary of it all: Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

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Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

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I have already said I would prefer a nuclear free region. But Israel having such a stockpile is a huge white elephant in the room. What I am saying is that to say that Iran cannot have them is hypocrisy. Which it obviously is. And all I am saying in addition is that in the age of the preemptive strike, a time when they will fabricate evidence and just make up a reason to attack, then you have to understand individual states wanting to try and prevent that. Whence North Korea supposedly bolstering itself up. Nobody wants to be the next Iraq.

You say Ahmadinejad is crazy, but I look at him as being unhinged mainly in the sense of his flamboyant use of rhetoric. He talks of the desire to see Israel go down in a ball of fire, but then again Kim Jong-il often comes out with the same stuff about attacking South Korea. It's lunatic talk, but do they ever do anything about it? Personally, I am not 100% convinced that North Korea really did torpedo that South Korean ship either, but even if they did, that is as far as they go. Terrible yes, but no more terrible than what Israel did really. Israel is actually in the process of ethnically cleansing Palestine, not too much talk about it mind, but that's what they are actually doing. I would prefer to listen to the crazies with their "seas of fire" rhetoric and no action than to actually see the silent huge concentration camp in action. Both are quite wrong and like I say both shouldn't really have this kind of weaponry.

We read the media every day and they are trying to set your mindset in a particular direction. It isn't all black and white at all, but usually our media likes to paint us as being the good guys in a just battle, but it really isn't the case. The Taliban suck, but go back through your own countries history and see the evil that has been done all too many times. Yes, we have freedom of speech and have certain freedoms, but at what cost to how many countries in the world through our brutal and unnecessary military colonialism and inability to respect the rights of other nations to be free from our sphere of influence? And Nameless covered it quite well, we even put the Taliban there in the first place and we only wanted them out again when they were no longer working in our interests. Where are these 9-11 terror suspects BTW? All forgotten about.

And before anyone tries to brand me as soft on Iran, I would like to make clear that I think their regime is horrible and the suppression of human rights and political freedoms harsh. No doubt about that, but that's a different point than the nuclear issue. If we want to go about dealing with Iran on that level then fair enough, but other nations should then also be called on the same kinds of things.

It doesn't matter, these are awful people and who gives a fuck about the terror suspects. We could have killed Bin Laden on day 1, we would still have a reason to get rid of the fucking taliban. They are awful. I just read today they executed a 7 year old boy accusing him of being a spy. Whether we gave them support in the past or not, is anyone here actually against fighting the Taliban?

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It doesn't matter, these are awful people and who gives a fuck about the terror suspects. We could have killed Bin Laden on day 1, we would still have a reason to get rid of the fucking taliban. They are awful. I just read today they executed a 7 year old boy accusing him of being a spy. Whether we gave them support in the past or not, is anyone here actually against fighting the Taliban?

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Who said they were friendly guys? Is the 7 years old murder really a surprise? Nope. We all know they things like that. However, how is it ok to loyally support them all gun ho till the Afghan war, even inviting them to Washington to promote their image and then deciding they were bad guys because they didn't obey their master? Nobody gave a fuck about peoples over there in Washington because they financed their most radical leaders and wouldn't it be for the Caspian sea petrol, they would have never landed a boot over there to "hunt Bin Laden". There are regimes as bad in Africa, notably Somalia where pirates stole more than 100 millions of material a year but they do not land in there because there ain't money to do. Same for North Korea which is much more frightening than a handful of bearded man riding 1970 motorcycles and drinking tea in some caves. The problem now is that they created a gigantic havok and can't afford to lose face, especially because of the tensions everywhere else make the region too dangerous. Talibans are disgusting peoples but you're very naive if you think that the US landed there to "save their peoples". If the Talibans would have accepted the Caspian Sea pipe, they would rule with iron hands and not even a single G.I would have land over there, at best they would condone their actions at the UN but they would not have removed them from power.