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Cant talk much right now as im too incapable of posting due to alcohol, but...
Rob green deserves some sympathy, that ball is a fricking floater ball and the pitch was average at best.
The very people who are now claiming that a west ham boy cost us last night may i please direct you to 1966 and the very club who the only reason england have 1 world cup win are to be thanked for..............
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
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Originally Posted by Master
amen to that
losing to the only country on the planet who couldnt care 2 shits about the world cup would be a fate worse than death
3-0 or i`ll never post on here again ;D;D;D
It's just a shame that that was over 50 years ago isn't it! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Haha, classic! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH:wavey:Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
amen to that
losing to the only country on the planet who couldnt care 2 shits about the world cup would be a fate worse than death
3-0 or i`ll never post on here again ;D;D;D
I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.
Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
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Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
think he is refering to the goal slovenia scored over algeria. Seemed like bread and butter for the keeper and it just seemed to die on him and swerve right at the end
No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
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Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
Nothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Yeah, I'm thinking the ball might be a little defective. It doesn't excuse the keeper making such a mistake because it was his fault, but I think we might see a few goals in this tournament where keepers are going to miss something they shouldn't. If the ball isn't completely consistant with previously used balls then sometimes a misreading is going to occur. There were criticism's of the ball before the tournament began, it was half expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
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Originally Posted by BIG HNothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.
James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen
Team for algeria:
Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney
TBH, I don't really understand why Emile Heskey is still around. It puzzles me a fair bit.
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Originally Posted by miles
Capello seems obsessed. The alternatives such as crouch, carlton cole, darren bent etc were never given a fair crack at the whip and capello now has to stick with emile or change it up right at the very crucial stage.
Crouch offers you something different but you have to get him into the game rather than heskey who can pick up the ball from midfield and allow rooney to play that floating role
Yeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.
James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen
Team for algeria:
Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney
Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team
----------------James-------------
----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole
----------------Barry--------------
-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole
---------------Heskey Rooney-------
In an ideal world i too would have james, king, barry and joe cole all in the 11Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.
James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen
Team for algeria:
Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney
Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team
----------------James-------------
----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole
----------------Barry--------------
-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole
---------------Heskey Rooney-------
But lets face it we`ve taken a half fit squad and even at this early stage are feeling the affects of it
I tell you one thing. If we play Terry and Carrragher, we will get ruined against any top team. I am quicker than both of them and they were getting caught even by the U.S.A. Dawson is the only one with any pace and again he has no experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerIn an ideal world i too would have james, king, barry and joe cole all in the 11Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.
James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen
Team for algeria:
Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney
Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team
----------------James-------------
----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole
----------------Barry--------------
-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole
---------------Heskey Rooney-------
But lets face it we`ve taken a half fit squad and even at this early stage are feeling the affects of it
Its the same problem if you play upson. Reason why losing ferdinand was such a blow is because we now dont really have a centre half who can carry the ball forward hence why johnson got the nod over carragher at right back saturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI tell you one thing. If we play Terry and Carrragher, we will get ruined against any top team. I am quicker than both of them and they were getting caught even by the U.S.A. Dawson is the only one with any pace and again he has no experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerIn an ideal world i too would have james, king, barry and joe cole all in the 11Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.
you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??
That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.
Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright
Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.
James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen
Team for algeria:
Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney
Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team
----------------James-------------
----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole
----------------Barry--------------
-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole
---------------Heskey Rooney-------
But lets face it we`ve taken a half fit squad and even at this early stage are feeling the affects of it
Shaun Wright Phillips shouldnt be allowed to buy an England shirt let alone wear one.
We need Rooney to stay up front and lets have Crouch with him he always seems to score for England!
I don't understand the reasoning for not playing Joe Hart. He was probably the best keeper in the league last season. He didn't make many mistakes, nor did he really make any at City the season before. I rate him just as highly as i rate Given, possibly more.
The talk of him being a disaster waiting to happen is a load of shite imo. It would stand true if the other 2 alternatives were supremely reliable, but imo they're more likely to cock up than Hart - As Green proved on Saturday and as james has proved on countless occasions.
Capello dropped a major bollock by not naming his first choice keeper before the warm-ups. That way he can settle himself alongside a consistent back 4. Swapping and changing the keepers and the defenders during the warm-up matches has done more harm than good.
I'm also seriously starting to have my doubts about Capello. Not taking Adam Johnson who is naturally left footed was a stupid thing to do. This became evident when he brought Shaun Wright-Phillips on to replace Milner on Saturday. A right-footed, predictable and low on confidence player, to play on the left side of the midfield. It still baffles me how he got the nod over Johnson. I watch City week in week out, and Johnson is by far the better player - which is why he keeps Wright-Phillips out of the team every week. Strange one by Capello - as is the goal-keeping situation.
Emile Heskey is shite end of.
Capello looked a bit panicky to me. Which was surprising.
I would think about Rooney up top with Gerrard right behind him but Capello seems pretty set on two strikers.
Was superb against USAQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Superb in his own way, but was equally as exposed when he bottled his one on one, reminding us of his poor finishing skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWas superb against USAQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It simply has to be Crouch, he can do everything Heskey can, plus he scores goals.
When he missed that clear one on one that 9/10 Premier League strikers would have scored ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWas superb against USAQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Fukk Heskey, play Crouch up front with Rooney. Or better still Gerrard behind Rooney up front on his own. Rooney said himself he prepares playing up top on his own.
Did you hear Kevin Keegan saying that Rooney didnt like playing up front on his own? I know they are on seperate channels but fuck me they must pay attention to the other sides?Quote:
Originally Posted by The RascalWhen he missed that clear one on one that 9/10 Premier League strikers would have scored ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWas superb against USAQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Fukk Heskey, play Crouch up front with Rooney. Or better still Gerrard behind Rooney up front on his own. Rooney said himself he prepares playing up top on his own.
No offence mate, but your signature is making you look like a fanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Yup!Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo offence mate, but your signature is making you look like a fanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
2nd one I've had to delete now Matty - use your brain mate ;)
Glad you agree. I thought i might have been a bit harsh on him, but his unwillingness to discuss his reasoning for some of his "far right" views, coupled with the fact he keeps posting stupid signatures, is making him look stupid....which i'm sure he isn't. Certainly not HTH stupid anyway ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYup!Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo offence mate, but your signature is making you look like a fanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
2nd one I've had to delete now Matty - use your brain mate ;)
Green did make a positive save vs Altidore....Jozy made a great run on Carragher and nearly put it home, but Green was up to that task, nearly went in off the bar though.
Milner got flat OWNED by Cherundolo....Dolo big boy schooled his ass!!! Dolo was VERY impressive great runs, great crosses, solid tackling (outside what got him a yellow).