in defence of a fellow hammer

[0james0]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

[HattonTheHammer]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

think he is refering to the goal slovenia scored over algeria. Seemed like bread and butter for the keeper and it just seemed to die on him and swerve right at the end

[Gandalf]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

[HattonTheHammer]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

[BIG H]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

Nothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.

That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.

Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright

[HattonTheHammer]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

Nothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.

That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.

Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright

Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.

James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen

Team for algeria:

Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney

[Gandalf]

TBH, I don't really understand why Emile Heskey is still around. It puzzles me a fair bit.

[HattonTheHammer]

TBH, I don't really understand why Emile Heskey is still around. It puzzles me a fair bit.

Capello seems obsessed. The alternatives such as crouch, carlton cole, darren bent etc were never given a fair crack at the whip and capello now has to stick with emile or change it up right at the very crucial stage.

Crouch offers you something different but you have to get him into the game rather than heskey who can pick up the ball from midfield and allow rooney to play that floating role

[BIG H]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

Nothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.

That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.

Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright

Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.

James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen

Team for algeria:

Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney

Yeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.

Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team

----------------James-------------

----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole

----------------Barry--------------

-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole


---------------Heskey Rooney-------

[HattonTheHammer]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

Nothing to do with the ball, Green just lost his ar$e, plain and simple. He was a centremetre away from having another howler that would've ended his career.

That said, I rate him as avery good keeper, just think only 9 starts aint enough experience for this level.

Don't think it will end his international career like it did to Scott Carson and Richard Wright

Only saving grace for green is that capellos hands are pretty much tied and he has to back his original choice now.

James obviously aint up to it and cant seem to get himself match fit, throwing in a rookie like joe hart would be a disaster waiting to happen

Team for algeria:

Green
Carragher, Terry, Dawson, A Cole
Gerrard, Carrick, Lampard, J Cole
Heskey, Rooney

Yeh, we deffo have to chnage the shape and Carrick is the only candidate for the holding roll until Barry is back.

Assuming everybody that is still therewas fit, this would be my team

----------------James-------------

----Johnson----Terry---King-----Cole

----------------Barry--------------

-------Gerard----Lampard-------J.Cole


---------------Heskey Rooney-------

In an ideal world i too would have james, king, barry and joe cole all in the 11

But lets face it we`ve taken a half fit squad and even at this early stage are feeling the affects of it

[ono]

I don't understand the reasoning for not playing Joe Hart. He was probably the best keeper in the league last season. He didn't make many mistakes, nor did he really make any at City the season before. I rate him just as highly as i rate Given, possibly more.

The talk of him being a disaster waiting to happen is a load of shite imo. It would stand true if the other 2 alternatives were supremely reliable, but imo they're more likely to cock up than Hart - As Green proved on Saturday and as james has proved on countless occasions.

Capello dropped a major bollock by not naming his first choice keeper before the warm-ups. That way he can settle himself alongside a consistent back 4. Swapping and changing the keepers and the defenders during the warm-up matches has done more harm than good.

I'm also seriously starting to have my doubts about Capello. Not taking Adam Johnson who is naturally left footed was a stupid thing to do. This became evident when he brought Shaun Wright-Phillips on to replace Milner on Saturday. A right-footed, predictable and low on confidence player, to play on the left side of the midfield. It still baffles me how he got the nod over Johnson. I watch City week in week out, and Johnson is by far the better player - which is why he keeps Wright-Phillips out of the team every week. Strange one by Capello - as is the goal-keeping situation.

[Gandalf]

I must admit that I originally blamed the ball more than the goalkeeper, but I was out of my mind. I moved away from the that position, but yesterday I saw a game where a goalkeeper conceded what seemed to me an all too easy goal. It had echoes of this. Maybe it wasn't all the keepers fault and the ball is dodgy, but it was a weak shot that really should have been kept out.

Do you mean the first Germany goal? If so, that ball was travelling at 88 mph! So can understand the keeper not keeping it out!

Not the daisy cutter that Green couldn't get his body behind.

No, the Algeria/Slovenia game. It looked like the keeper was in slow motion or something. It didn't look like it should have gone in to me. Something slightly off about it.

you suggesting what i think your suggesting milo??

Yeah, I'm thinking the ball might be a little defective. It doesn't excuse the keeper making such a mistake because it was his fault, but I think we might see a few goals in this tournament where keepers are going to miss something they shouldn't. If the ball isn't completely consistant with previously used balls then sometimes a misreading is going to occur. There were criticism's of the ball before the tournament began, it was half expected.