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Originally Posted by skel1983
Absolute tosser. How would he feel if his friends or family were injured or killed in one of the terrorist attacks that we've seen? At least Warren has fucked him off. There was a bit about him in Boxing News too, I werent a fan of his anyway he was just a typical overrated gobshite who has acts with an undeserved sense of achievment.
Prick.
Agreed. Im all for people expressing an opinion and sticking to their beliefs no matter what, but calling our brave boys child murderers and rapists is totally out of order. These muslims should be ashamed of themselves or better still why dont they go and live in a fundimentalist nation like Pakistan or Iran where they can live amusgst their own.
I'm not going to go deep into the rights or wrongs in this, but at the end of the day, he is doing nothing more than exercising his right to free speech. If you want free speech in society, you have to be able to take it as well as dish it out.
I'm going to be controversial here and bring up the freedom of speech argument that i had thrown at me on the Epic Beard Man thread - Do we only like it when it suits us?
We've killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people by being in Iraq and Afghanistan so can someone explain how labelling troops as murderers is inaccurate?
This is what he said...
"These people are killing my brothers and sisters.
"They come back to this country and parade medals they've won by killing.
"A man is not a man unless he stands up for what he believes in."
Show me where he is wrong? I think most know my feelings on religion, so i find the notion that he's upset at his 'brothers and sisters' (essentially other people with the same religious beliefs) a little bizarre, but that aside he's standing up for what he believes in. The one thing that really annoys me in England is this 'Back our Boys' at any cost mentality that the press have instilled into the idiots.
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Originally Posted by Oggie
I agree but he is an idiot, the general opinion is obviously he is a disgrace etc etc, and I think he will struggle to get any of the top promoters to work with him again especially as he now has no title.
Anyone who thinks that blowing up inocent children is just expressing an opinion is seriously fuucked up!
Look what those dirty, coward, bastaard, scum IRA have been doing for years, at least the muslims kill themselves in the process but either way both are pathetic easy ways out because they have no brains to think their way out whithout violence.
If you support terrorism you might as well join em!
What are you talking about? You've missed the point. Freedom of Speech refers to the right of being allowed to publicly voice your opinion...which is what Anthony Small is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Oh sorry, The Sun must have forgot to mention that some children were blown up during the protest. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
:rolleyes:
Hes supporting terorism. He thinks its alright to kill innocent people and kids. The forces have gone over there because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieOh sorry, The Sun must have forgot to mention that some children were blown up during the protest. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
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Fuucking terrorists, sissy little slags!! It always made me sick to hear the americans support the IRA until the Oklahoma bombing and they changed the way they thought about bombings. Fucking scum! Its like supporting a peodophile, you arent going to get anywhere because its disgusting no matter what.
No he isn't supporting terrorism. No he doesn't think it's alright to kill innocent people. That's why he's protesting - because we're killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHes supporting terorism. He thinks its alright to kill innocent people and kids. The forces have gone over there because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieOh sorry, The Sun must have forgot to mention that some children were blown up during the protest. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
:rolleyes:
Fuucking terrorists, sissy little slags!! It always made me sick to hear the americans support the IRA until the Oklahoma bombing and they changed the way they thought about bombings. Fucking scum! Its like supporting a peodophile, you arent going to get anywhere because its disgusting no matter what.
Jesus wept.
Don't know that this should be on the main board.
having just written a paper on how its hard for moderate muslims to integrate into europe when their fundamentalist counterparts behave in such an opppressive and disgusting way this only serves to reenforced what i already thought.
its disgusting and i hope he gets KTFO soon as possible
He's not supporting terrorism, he is protesting the murder of over 100,000 innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan since the start of each respective war by the coalition forces involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHes supporting terorism. He thinks its alright to kill innocent people and kids. The forces have gone over there because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieOh sorry, The Sun must have forgot to mention that some children were blown up during the protest. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
:rolleyes:
Fuucking terrorists, sissy little slags!! It always made me sick to hear the americans support the IRA until the Oklahoma bombing and they changed the way they thought about bombings. Fucking scum! Its like supporting a peodophile, you arent going to get anywhere because its disgusting no matter what.
Agreed man, that is why I didn't want to go deep into the subject originally. This topic has controversy written all over it, it's never going to belong on the boxing board methinks. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Maybe if those countries could stop fighting with different cultures and neighbouring countries like thick inbreds and causing wars then the allied forces wouldnt have to go over there to fight them.
Fuuck me, if England was like those countries then the muslims wouldnt even be in England to protest:rolleyes:
I genuinely don't know where to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
It actually makes my brain hurt man, I'm going outside to get some air and question whether we truly are the most intelligent species on the planet or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI genuinely don't know where to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
My last contribution in this topic for now is... :vd:
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I read about this in the sun what a dick good on Frank for dropping him! Makes a change him looking past the money but to be fair i Small isnt all that good.
I agree with Ono and Oggie really. The right to freedom of speech extends to all, not only to those who have the same opinion as you.
The fact we alllow our citizens to protest things is fundamentally important to our democracy. I certainly don't want to live in a nation where freedom of speech is outlawed.
I do think both the UK and US use imagery of the heroic and brave soldier dying to defend our lands as a kind of emotional shield to deflect any and all criticism of our government's actions.
I'm not saying that Small was right to protest but I do think we as a nation are right to allow him.
I pretty much agree with this.Quote:
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Originally Posted by OggieIt actually makes my brain hurt man, I'm going outside to get some air and question whether we truly are the most intelligent species on the planet or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI genuinely don't know where to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
My last contribution in this topic for now is... :vd:
Jesus Christ, I like you guys.
Makes me proud to know theres fans/people who can think from both sides of an event and see both sides of a point of view.
Me, like you, think this guy has every right to voice his opinion.
Im not sure if he is backing the act of terrorism or not.
I dont back terrorism either and I dont back the reasons why (our three/four collective governments) are the self proclaimed world sheriffs and we pay for accidental murders out of taxes.
I do back the fact that we have to stop these fools in their tracks somehow: because it has now gone too far and cannot be stopped because we have two different excuses from two different sides both with the same eventual agenda one is open one is secretive.
I take great offense that anyone claims God (The loving Creator God) would be behind death and destruction of innocents or that some God is against Gods own gift of total free will decisions for all of mankind to do as he will and ascend or descend at his own collective rate (as is what is occurring on all levels.)
I take great offense that both sides claim some religious righteousness over the other side.
Makes the worlds man made religions all the more false to me and living proof that it has many lost sheep within its ranks and both major sides are to be to be avoided at all costs if your individual sanity is to be guarded.
At the moment we have Big businessmen/world leaders backed by the four legs of Christianity to get the public emotionally involved:
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Big oil barons, overlords,dictators etc backed by the other large religion to get their own public emotionally involved.
One fights one way for one reason (world domination through rules and religion).
The other fights another way for one reason (world domination through control of energy distribution).
Money is also just an exchange of energy btw ;).
Fuuck me, if England was like those countries then the muslims wouldnt even be in England to protest:rolleyes:
And this quote is true if you look at it from England being so nice allowing free immigration. ;D
But it is false if you look at it (If England was like these other countries then England would be full of those types from within already and England would be an insane religious dictatorship (so what would be left to protest) ;D.
:confused: Hang on, are England and the rest also insane religious dictatorships faking democracy?
See, I come in peace :cool:.
All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.
Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.
I'm sure someone (bilbo) will correct me but do Christians believe everyone - regardless of sharing religios belief is a 'brother and sister'. I seem to remember from Sunday school that this was the case.Quote:
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Yeah but some are sluts. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI'm sure someone (bilbo) will correct me but do Christians believe everyone - regardless of sharing religios belief is a 'brother and sister'. I seem to remember from Sunday school that this was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I think the guys who are using the Freedom of Speech reference are merely playing devil's advocate. I certainly am anyway, in the sense that this argument has been brought up a fair few times on various other threads - The Cinco De Mayo one for example, where it was pointed out to me and Bilbo that the American kids were well within their rights to do what they did, as they were exercising their right to Freedom of Speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Out of interest which part of what he said do you disagree with?
What do I disagree with that he said? How about 'All British Soldiers Go To Hell' for starters.
BTW I'm not in agreement with the war but he is obviously a complete fucken retard with a one sided understanding of what this conflict even is. There is a rational way to oppose the war and an irrational way, this is irrational. His 'brothers and sisters' are also being murdered by thousands of his fellow Muslims but he would never hold a sign saying 'all Muslims go to hell' or 'all Sunni go to hell', he's a fucken idiot plain and simple. Plus, it's obvious that he's just doing this for attention don't you think?
Also, I'll defend a military man's honor to my death unless they are clearly out of line. None of us in our PC world can possibly relate to going from the farms of Iowa or the pubs (lol) of England to being thrust into the situation the soldiers are in now. It's sad because many are young enough to where there time in Iraq is a forming experience in their life and it becomes part of who they are. Small is just retarded and looking for attention.
I agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. :p I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.
The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.
Where did he say that? I haven't seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
But at what point do Soldiers have to take reponsibility for their actions, regardless of who's giving them their orders. By just doing their job, you mean killing...which i'm sure is quite obvious when you sign up for the military, or at least it is to anybody with a brain cell. So with that in mind, i can't believe that soldiers are totally exempt from any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieI agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. :p I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.
The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.
I keep hearing that politicians are bent and the government are bent, yet people are volunteering to kill 'for their country' on their behalf. I don't know whether it's blind patriotism, or stupidity or naivety. I genuinely don't know.
Demonstarting during a march is a little insensitive, but at the same time, so is invading another country whilst lauding the soldiers as heroes. But whatever, i guess i'll get told we're right and we're fighting terrorism and the darkies are the bad guys etc etc etc (not by you Oggie btw)
I can see where you are coming from man, of course soldiers can't be exempt from criticism. If an innocent person is killed, someone had to pull a trigger or whatever... but I would imagine it is a madly tense situation out there, and that no amount of training could prepare you for it. You also have to remember that a lot of these guys are constantly following orders. I guess it is just situational judgment really.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoBut at what point do Soldiers have to take reponsibility for their actions, regardless of who's giving them their orders. By just doing their job, you mean killing...which i'm sure is quite obvious when you sign up for the military, or at least it is to anybody with a brain cell. So with that in mind, i can't believe that soldiers are totally exempt from any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieI agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. :p I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.
The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.
I keep hearing that politicians are bent and the government are bent, yet people are volunteering to kill 'for their country' on their behalf. I don't know whether it's blind patriotism, or stupidity or naivety. I genuinely don't know.
Demonstarting during a march is a little insensitive, but at the same time, so is invading another country whilst lauding the soldiers as heroes. But whatever, i guess i'll get told we're right and we're fighting terrorism and the darkies are the bad guys etc etc etc (not by you Oggie btw)
As for people volunteering to go killing, there are always those heavily patriotic people that would 'die for their beloved country!' I simply meant that not everyone that signed up for military service (prior to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan anyway) ever genuinely expected to be in the situation they were put in.
Most probably expected peacekeeping or heavy exercise, haha. I know a lot of people in the military that only joined for the money and fitness that it brings, but the fact is, if Ireland somehow ever gets invaded (impossible as it seems!), those guys will be asked to kill... and that is not something that I think they never realistically expect. I imagine it could have been the same for a lot of young men that joined the British (and other) military too... though I could be wrong!
I think the governments naturally have to take most of the responsibility though, because without them, the soldiers wouldn't even be there in the first place. This is the case especially when it comes to Iraq, where the invasion there was highly questionable and convenient to say the least. Many thousands of innocents have died there so far, and I'm still yet to hear a genuine reason why. The coalition forces have basically done the exact same thing that was done in their own home countries, except on a much more epic scale. The same thing that we kept hearing was 'pure evil' and 'terrorism at its worst.' They have lost many of their own men and women too... :-\
Excellent posting mate. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieI can see where you are coming from man, of course soldiers can't be exempt from criticism. If an innocent person is killed, someone had to pull a trigger or whatever... but I would imagine it is a madly tense situation out there, and that no amount of training could prepare you for it. You also have to remember that a lot of these guys are constantly following orders. I guess it is just situational judgment really.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoBut at what point do Soldiers have to take reponsibility for their actions, regardless of who's giving them their orders. By just doing their job, you mean killing...which i'm sure is quite obvious when you sign up for the military, or at least it is to anybody with a brain cell. So with that in mind, i can't believe that soldiers are totally exempt from any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by OggieI agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. :p I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.
The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.
I keep hearing that politicians are bent and the government are bent, yet people are volunteering to kill 'for their country' on their behalf. I don't know whether it's blind patriotism, or stupidity or naivety. I genuinely don't know.
Demonstarting during a march is a little insensitive, but at the same time, so is invading another country whilst lauding the soldiers as heroes. But whatever, i guess i'll get told we're right and we're fighting terrorism and the darkies are the bad guys etc etc etc (not by you Oggie btw)
As for people volunteering to go killing, there are always those heavily patriotic people that would 'die for their beloved country!' I simply meant that not everyone that signed up for military service (prior to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan anyway) ever genuinely expected to be in the situation they were put in.
Most probably expected peacekeeping or heavy exercise, haha. I know a lot of people in the military that only joined for the money and fitness that it brings, but the fact is, if Ireland somehow ever gets invaded (impossible as it seems!), those guys will be asked to kill... and that is not something that I think they never realistically expect. I imagine it could have been the same for a lot of young men that joined the British (and other) military too... though I could be wrong!
I think the governments naturally have to take most of the responsibility though, because without them, the soldiers wouldn't even be there in the first place. This is the case especially when it comes to Iraq, where the invasion there was highly questionable and convenient to say the least. Many thousands of innocents have died there so far, and I'm still yet to hear a genuine reason why. The coalition forces have basically done the exact same thing that was done in their own home countries, except on a much more epic scale. The same thing that we kept hearing was 'pure evil' and 'terrorism at its worst.' They have lost many of their own men and women too... :-\
Knowing the way that he carries himself - I can't say I see him particularly as a man with any conviction.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if this just helps his ego a little rather than being something he strongly believes deep down.
I'm sure, in his head and his little circle he'll be living out some Muhammad Ali fantasy... but in reality he hasn't put anywhere near as much at risk - he won't be out right banned from fighting or lose his livelyhood, he isn't risking being locked up or bankrupcy, politcal assassination etc
I hate to say it but he doesn't come across as the type who really believes in something... he's always been the type of person who just wants to be noticed by others, not by himself. look at me, look at me.
His style, show boating, would be trash talking etc all stink of trying to emulate the legacy's of others rather than be an original and be real. This little outburst is just finishing off the cliche.
He has the right to spout what he wants and thankfully we all have the right not to take him at all seriously.
I agree %100 Adam in regards to Anthony Small. Same with you Oggie about how Small is targeting the wrong people. I don't really have the energy to defend a soldier's merit but it's not an easy thing for anyone, soldiers have acted in the wrong before I'm sure yes yes but you are criticizing these guys for following orders and doing their job. Should be interesting That's what puts food on the table for those guys and if you want them to take a moral stand and quit the military because they don't agree with the operations of the people they work for then fine, but that's a step that just isn't possible for most of these guys. But that's fine, the beauty of what these guys do is they actually put in the frontline work to protect their country.
I actually had a long talk with a soldier in our hotel last night who was very smart, very educated and sort of had his life figured out because of the military. When he was younger he would get mad at the war protesters and just thanked the world that he didn't have to live in the 60's where soldiers were hissed at after Vietnam. But as he told me, until he saw into the eyes of someone who wasn't free, who had an unfavorable opinion of the way things were going in their village but literally couldn't do anything about it and was probably going to end up fighting the troops and getting killed because he didn't have the option to oppose authority.
Small wouldn't be able to do this in North Korea, Iran and a zillion other places in the world so the guy I talked to yesterday would look at this and while in the past he would be infuriated that these people like Small who generally have no idea what they are talking about judging him like this would now take comfort in the fact that this is one of the freedom's that his guy's protect over there.
I don't want to get worked up over this but the people at the top fuck over the soldiers just as much as anyone really. People who aren't soldiers telling soldiers what to do mostly for purely political purposes, that's what this BS Iraq war is and while plenty of civilians have died, plenty of soldiers are also paying for their boss' incompetent.
My Airman fights for your honor student's freedom!
That was a bumper sticker once.
Also it makes you think that the politicians sons and daughters rarely get to do their fathers dirty work.
Nevere been a fan of him either.I mean he was good but he always fought hot and cold in rounds.Cant believe he has ranted the way he did about our brave men and women serving for our country as we enjoy life and sleep safely at night.I wonder if he's been brained washed or something.I just hope his jaw gets cracked hard when or if he fights again.:(
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Originally Posted by yvonne
Maybe he is trying to follow in the footsteps of Anthony Mundine.
He searched for more fame through Muslim controversy as well and it all turned around and bit him.