Anthony Small on muslim protest shouting to soldiers " Murderers, Child Killers!!!!!"

[Oggie]

Maybe if those countries could stop fighting with different cultures and neighbouring countries like thick inbreds and causing wars then the allied forces wouldnt have to go over there to fight them.

Fuuck me, if England was like those countries then the muslims wouldnt even be in England to protest

I genuinely don't know where to start.

It actually makes my brain hurt man, I'm going outside to get some air and question whether we truly are the most intelligent species on the planet or not.
My last contribution in this topic for now is...

[Andre]

Maybe if those countries could stop fighting with different cultures and neighbouring countries like thick inbreds and causing wars then the allied forces wouldnt have to go over there to fight them.

Fuuck me, if England was like those countries then the muslims wouldnt even be in England to protest

I genuinely don't know where to start.

It actually makes my brain hurt man, I'm going outside to get some air and question whether we truly are the most intelligent species on the planet or not.
My last contribution in this topic for now is...

Jesus Christ, I like you guys.
Makes me proud to know theres fans/people who can think from both sides of an event and see both sides of a point of view.

Me, like you, think this guy has every right to voice his opinion.

Im not sure if he is backing the act of terrorism or not.

I dont back terrorism either and I dont back the reasons why (our three/four collective governments) are the self proclaimed world sheriffs and we pay for accidental murders out of taxes.

I do back the fact that we have to stop these fools in their tracks somehow: because it has now gone too far and cannot be stopped because we have two different excuses from two different sides both with the same eventual agenda one is open one is secretive.

I take great offense that anyone claims God (The loving Creator God) would be behind death and destruction of innocents or that some God is against Gods own gift of total free will decisions for all of mankind to do as he will and ascend or descend at his own collective rate (as is what is occurring on all levels.)

I take great offense that both sides claim some religious righteousness over the other side.

Makes the worlds man made religions all the more false to me and living proof that it has many lost sheep within its ranks and both major sides are to be to be avoided at all costs if your individual sanity is to be guarded.


At the moment we have Big businessmen/world leaders backed by the four legs of Christianity to get the public emotionally involved:
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Big oil barons, overlords,dictators etc backed by the other large religion to get their own public emotionally involved.

One fights one way for one reason (world domination through rules and religion).

The other fights another way for one reason (world domination through control of energy distribution).

Money is also just an exchange of energy btw .


Fuuck me, if England was like those countries then the muslims wouldnt even be in England to protest

And this quote is true if you look at it from England being so nice allowing free immigration.

But it is false if you look at it (If England was like these other countries then England would be full of those types from within already and England would be an insane religious dictatorship (so what would be left to protest) .


Hang on, are England and the rest also insane religious dictatorships faking democracy?


See, I come in peace .

[Andre]

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[amat]

All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.

Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.

[ono]

All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.

Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.

I think the guys who are using the Freedom of Speech reference are merely playing devil's advocate. I certainly am anyway, in the sense that this argument has been brought up a fair few times on various other threads - The Cinco De Mayo one for example, where it was pointed out to me and Bilbo that the American kids were well within their rights to do what they did, as they were exercising their right to Freedom of Speech.

Out of interest which part of what he said do you disagree with?

[amat]

What do I disagree with that he said? How about 'All British Soldiers Go To Hell' for starters.

[ono]

What do I disagree with that he said? How about 'All British Soldiers Go To Hell' for starters.

Where did he say that? I haven't seen it.

[Oggie]

All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.

Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.

I agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.

My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.

The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.

[ono]

All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.

Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.

I agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.

My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.

The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.

But at what point do Soldiers have to take reponsibility for their actions, regardless of who's giving them their orders. By just doing their job, you mean killing...which i'm sure is quite obvious when you sign up for the military, or at least it is to anybody with a brain cell. So with that in mind, i can't believe that soldiers are totally exempt from any criticism.

I keep hearing that politicians are bent and the government are bent, yet people are volunteering to kill 'for their country' on their behalf. I don't know whether it's blind patriotism, or stupidity or naivety. I genuinely don't know.

Demonstarting during a march is a little insensitive, but at the same time, so is invading another country whilst lauding the soldiers as heroes. But whatever, i guess i'll get told we're right and we're fighting terrorism and the darkies are the bad guys etc etc etc (not by you Oggie btw)

[Oggie]

All freedom of speach means is that Anthony Small is not breaking any laws by doing this. There are other freedoms too, like the freedom to judge him as an asshole. He's obviously an idiot and an ass, that much is clear no matter what supposed cause he is fighting for. If someone had a sign that said all blacks go to hell, all doctors go to hell, etc. then yea he would be allowed to have that sign but you also are allowed to label him an idiot. He is obviously, political leanings aside.

Just doing this for attention. Isn't he the guy who took his nickname from Sugar Ray, Jones and Ali? Like Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr. or something? I'm positive it is and if it is then he shouldn't really be taken seriously here.

I agree with this, it pretty much sums up what I said in my original post. Freedom of speech is not a one way street, everyone always has different views and at the end of the day, people have to accept this whether they agree with the views or not.

My personal view on the situation is that Anthony Small was being a dick by targeting the wrong people. The soldiers are just doing their job, technically speaking. I'm thinking a lot of them signed up for the military probably believing it would be more like a fitness exercise. I'm sure a lot of them come back home eaten by guilt and what not, it is hard to avoid taking innocent lives in war. Of course there are crazed killers in the military too, they couldn't give a flying f*ck who gets in their way.

The governments are the ones who make the decisions though, and for that, the burden of guilt must ultimately rest on their shoulders. This works both ways! Al Qaeda /The Taliban were wrong to do what they did, but the coalition side were wrong to do the exact same thing back in return.

But at what point do Soldiers have to take reponsibility for their actions, regardless of who's giving them their orders. By just doing their job, you mean killing...which i'm sure is quite obvious when you sign up for the military, or at least it is to anybody with a brain cell. So with that in mind, i can't believe that soldiers are totally exempt from any criticism.

I keep hearing that politicians are bent and the government are bent, yet people are volunteering to kill 'for their country' on their behalf. I don't know whether it's blind patriotism, or stupidity or naivety. I genuinely don't know.

Demonstarting during a march is a little insensitive, but at the same time, so is invading another country whilst lauding the soldiers as heroes. But whatever, i guess i'll get told we're right and we're fighting terrorism and the darkies are the bad guys etc etc etc (not by you Oggie btw)

I can see where you are coming from man, of course soldiers can't be exempt from criticism. If an innocent person is killed, someone had to pull a trigger or whatever... but I would imagine it is a madly tense situation out there, and that no amount of training could prepare you for it. You also have to remember that a lot of these guys are constantly following orders. I guess it is just situational judgment really.

As for people volunteering to go killing, there are always those heavily patriotic people that would 'die for their beloved country!' I simply meant that not everyone that signed up for military service (prior to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan anyway) ever genuinely expected to be in the situation they were put in.
Most probably expected peacekeeping or heavy exercise, haha. I know a lot of people in the military that only joined for the money and fitness that it brings, but the fact is, if Ireland somehow ever gets invaded (impossible as it seems!), those guys will be asked to kill... and that is not something that I think they never realistically expect. I imagine it could have been the same for a lot of young men that joined the British (and other) military too... though I could be wrong!

I think the governments naturally have to take most of the responsibility though, because without them, the soldiers wouldn't even be there in the first place. This is the case especially when it comes to Iraq, where the invasion there was highly questionable and convenient to say the least. Many thousands of innocents have died there so far, and I'm still yet to hear a genuine reason why. The coalition forces have basically done the exact same thing that was done in their own home countries, except on a much more epic scale. The same thing that we kept hearing was 'pure evil' and 'terrorism at its worst.' They have lost many of their own men and women too...