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He should have the fighter of the decade award the pacroid the cheating bastard was given.
wow no evidence pac is a cheat, so it's a bit silly to call him one.Quote:
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Barry give it a fucking rest about Manny being a cheat. Show us all some evidence if you wan't to spout this rubbish.
But I wouldn't disagree with Floyd winning the fighter of the year award, his performance v Shane even though people pick at all different excuses was very impressive and I think the majoirty thought it would be Mayweathers hardest fight to date and he made it look like it was one of his easiest.
Show me the evidence he's clean. It's down to the athlete to prove he's clean not the other way round. End of story.
Wind your neck in sheep.
You are as retarded as first thought. Every test he has taken under the rules of the sport he has passed you thick cunt, so he has proved himself to be clean on every occasion the body who run the sport/fight he was involved him require him to do a test.Quote:
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The evidence is with the current boxing testing that floyd for every fight except the Shane fight has done, Manny also did and not once has it come into question. Manny has never been suspended for illegal substance.
Can you prove floyd isn't a murderer?
getting way off topic here, Floyd deserves this accolade he just destroyed someone people said that he was avoiding crushing the he's a ducker premise in my eyes.
As for Pac, well he has nothing to do with this topic and I cannot understand why he should be bashed as he has brought a lot to boxing.
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Originally Posted by skel1983You are as retarded as first thought. Every test he has taken under the rules of the sport he has passed you thick cunt, so he has proved himself to be clean on every occasion the body who run the sport/fight he was involved him require him to do a test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Yes, PBF beat Mosley, and Pacquiao beat Clottey.
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lol you always now when you're point hits home when the idiot you're debating with turns into a child starts throwing the insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983You are as retarded as first thought. Every test he has taken under the rules of the sport he has passed you thick cunt, so he has proved himself to be clean on every occasion the body who run the sport/fight he was involved him require him to do a test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
For someone who thinks he is the be all and end all fountain of boxing knowledge and ruler of this forum I would have thought that you'd know that the nevada state boxing commissions drug testing is bare minimal. It's simply a urine test. I also thought that the self oppointed king of this site would also know that getting steroids past one of these tests is reletively easy. In fact all thows obviously enhanced UFC fighters get past it all the time.
Pacquiao has in the past refused USADA random blood testing. And as you should full well know, oh great leader of the forum, that refusing a test is the same as failing one. I would be saying this about any boxer who had the chance to do this testing but didn't take it. As you can see I was hardly rushing to Nigel Benn's (one of my all time heros) defence in another thread. It is now down to Nigel to prove he was clean. He's going to have to prove the blood on that boot isn't his or is clean. If proper testing had been done back then he wouldn't be having this problem now.
So without crying like a baby. Or pissing your pants (that's gonna be difficult for you I know but please try not to dribble piss down the side of that high horse you put yourself up on)
Prove he's clean.
I don't agree. I think Pacquiao should have gotten it. The Cotto and Clottey fight's were much more threatening to Pacquaio before we seen the ending results. We knew Floyd would beat Marquez and it would be a decent test against Mosley(though many of us thought PBF would win rather easily). We did have in mind that Mosley was also ageing and knew his best years were probably behind him. My vote is for Pacquaio.
good for floyd jr.! he certainly deserves this award as overwhelmingly he is perceived as the games elite boxer!
he deserves it big time.......
I really don't see how floyd got it...because how can it be for this year when the year isn't over?
And no one certainly can say he deserves it over pac from last year....
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
don't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
That will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
maybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
If you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
this is award is given based on popular public vote...and really what the fuck does the general public know about boxing anyway?
you can't give a fighter of the year prize away to someone who fought one fight all year. (unless, of course, there was only one fight that year.)
yea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
i don't know but i think margarito looked really good in his last fight against roberto garcia. he's improved his defense and uses his jab more effectively. with his new trainer, roberto garcia from la colonia boxing club in oxnard, ca., he's going to get even better and might post a serious threat to many welters and jr. middles.
yea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
didnt margarito all ready beat clottey, cintron, and smash cotto to bits without wraps? Yes i think so... Only an idiot would even mention RJJ/BHOP II in regards to having any relevance in boxing. And I havent mention that fight once since it happened, so what the hell are you talking about:rolleyes:....And who's making excuses, is it not a fact that shane was inactive? I think its you along with that pacman photo on your sig that speaks volumes as who's making excuses. You believe a man that smashed the shit out of your guy must have cheated, why not add Raheem and Barrera to that. Margarito was caught before he cheated so he didnt even get a chance to use his wraps, and didnt need them to kick cotto's ass as you saw. Now you go tell yourself that PAC and MARGO need to cheat in order to beat the guys you like so you can sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
And as far as the spelling post from an entirely different thread (ease back with the stalking) That was a harmless joke against another poster as i playing off of what he did to someone else. And as far as Morrrrales goes, I could give a shit how he spells his name.
lol...still smarting over the fact that margarito destroyed cotto? well get over it! because cotto has! he knows he got a beat down by the better man. who's your daddy?
Didnt he scored a Kd plus win virtually every round? You hope he's washed up so that he doesn't get to smash cotto again and you don't want him to make anymore money because he hurt your feelings....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
i was actually very impressed with margarito's performance that night, considering he was fighting as a jr. middleweight and had been away for 18 months or so from the ring. he showed a new element that he hadn't shown before. better head movement, nice jab, overall defense etc...i don't know what morales was seeing when he saw margarito's fight but maybe he only sees what he wants to see. truth is this, margarito owns cintron AND cotto. cotto wants no part of the tijuana tornado and so his fans have to accuse margarito of having his hands illegally wrapped. nice try but weak argument!
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherdidnt margarito all ready beat clottey, cintron, and smash cotto to bits without wraps? Yes i think so... Only an idiot would even mention RJJ/BHOP II in regards to having any relevance in boxing. And I havent mention that fight once since it happened, so what the hell are you talking about:rolleyes:....And who's making excuses, is it not a fact that shane was inactive? I think its you along with that pacman photo on your sig that speaks volumes as who's making excuses. You believe a man that smashed the shit out of your guy must have cheated, why not add Raheem and Barrera to that. Margarito was caught before he cheated so he didnt even get a chance to use his wraps, and didnt need them to kick cotto's ass as you saw. Now you go tell yourself that PAC and MARGO need to cheat in order to beat the guys you like so you can sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
And as far as the spelling post from an entirely different thread (ease back with the stalking) That was a harmless joke against another poster as i playing off of what he did to someone else. And as far as Morrrrales goes, I could give a shit how he spells his name.
boy you need to lay off the crack, only a jackass (see that's where you fall in) would think that Margarito started using wraps for the Mosley fight, who in the right mind would use illegal wraps in a fight that you're the favorite for? looking back at the Cintron fights it wouldn't shock me if he used illegal wraps in those fights as well, he scored a kd and then went on to pretty much land everything and yet the tomato can took it, and it's not like he was some really durable guy either, you try to call me out on bringing up Hopkins/Jones II but what the fuck does Cotto/Margarito have to do with Mayweather whipping Mosley's ass? lol you need to just shut the fuck up and go back to the shadows dude cause honestly you're just making an ass out of yourself, i have the pic of Pacquiao to fuck with the Pactards and yet i've gone on the record to defend his ass against retards like Hornfinger, go figure, and i don't want Margarito to fight anyone again cause the fucker doesn't deserve a license after the shit he pulled, if you're too retarded to understand that well i give up, i've given Pacquiao full credit for his win over Cotto cause until someone can prove he used something it's a legit win, unlike in Margarito's case where the fucker was caught, maybe not specifically for the Cotto fight but like i said it's pretty obvious you're not gonna start cheating when you're facing a guy you're the favorite in getting a KO win, so go on little boy, go rewatch the glory days of when Jones was worth a shit, and just keep telling yourself that it wasn't Hopkins that retired that ass hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherDidnt he scored a Kd plus win virtually every round? You hope he's washed up so that he doesn't get to smash cotto again and you don't want him to make anymore money because he hurt your feelings....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
There's is no "maybe" he wasn't cheating against a cotto. Perhaps they didnt use them against Cotto because cotto had shown he could be hurt and stopped esp if one watched the Mosley fight where he was running the last few rounds. Now if they felt Shane's chin was superior to cotto's (which is it) then that maybe explain why his trainer wanted to give him something extra to hurt shane. Nevertheless Which fight was he suspended for? oh that's right the Shane fight. Did they over turn his fight against Cotto? Nope sure didn't.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherdidnt margarito all ready beat clottey, cintron, and smash cotto to bits without wraps? Yes i think so... Only an idiot would even mention RJJ/BHOP II in regards to having any relevance in boxing. And I havent mention that fight once since it happened, so what the hell are you talking about:rolleyes:....And who's making excuses, is it not a fact that shane was inactive? I think its you along with that pacman photo on your sig that speaks volumes as who's making excuses. You believe a man that smashed the shit out of your guy must have cheated, why not add Raheem and Barrera to that. Margarito was caught before he cheated so he didnt even get a chance to use his wraps, and didnt need them to kick cotto's ass as you saw. Now you go tell yourself that PAC and MARGO need to cheat in order to beat the guys you like so you can sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
And as far as the spelling post from an entirely different thread (ease back with the stalking) That was a harmless joke against another poster as i playing off of what he did to someone else. And as far as Morrrrales goes, I could give a shit how he spells his name.
boy you need to lay off the crack, only a jackass (see that's where you fall in) would think that Margarito started using wraps for the Mosley fight, who in the right mind would use illegal wraps in a fight that you're the favorite for? looking back at the Cintron fights it wouldn't shock me if he used illegal wraps in those fights as well, he scored a kd and then went on to pretty much land everything and yet the tomato can took it, and it's not like he was some really durable guy either, you try to call me out on bringing up Hopkins/Jones II but what the fuck does Cotto/Margarito have to do with Mayweather whipping Mosley's ass? lol you need to just shut the fuck up and go back to the shadows dude cause honestly you're just making an ass out of yourself, i have the pic of Pacquiao to fuck with the Pactards and yet i've gone on the record to defend his ass against retards like Hornfinger, go figure, and i don't want Margarito to fight anyone again cause the fucker doesn't deserve a license after the shit he pulled, if you're too retarded to understand that well i give up, i've given Pacquiao full credit for his win over Cotto cause until someone can prove he used something it's a legit win, unlike in Margarito's case where the fucker was caught, maybe not specifically for the Cotto fight but like i said it's pretty obvious you're not gonna start cheating when you're facing a guy you're the favorite in getting a KO win, so go on little boy, go rewatch the glory days of when Jones was worth a shit, and just keep telling yourself that it wasn't Hopkins that retired that ass hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherDidnt he scored a Kd plus win virtually every round? You hope he's washed up so that he doesn't get to smash cotto again and you don't want him to make anymore money because he hurt your feelings....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
And you keep bringing up RJJ like I give a shit about him losing past his prime if you really believe that RJJ losses hurt his legacy go ahead and start a thread and see how cold it is standing on that branch alone. Dude FYI I didn't need to see anymore RJJ fights after he won the HW belt.
whose entire career has been put in question? oh right Margarito's and that's by pretty much any credible sportswriter (and anyone with half a brain, that's why you're not included)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThere's is no "maybe" he wasn't cheating against a cotto. Perhaps they didnt use them against Cotto because cotto had shown he could be hurt and stopped esp if one watched the Mosley fight where he was running the last few rounds. Now if they felt Shane's chin was superior to cotto's (which is it) then that maybe explain why his trainer wanted to give him something extra to hurt shane. Nevertheless Which fight was he suspended for? oh that's right the Shane fight. Did they over turn his fight against Cotto? Nope sure didn't.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherdidnt margarito all ready beat clottey, cintron, and smash cotto to bits without wraps? Yes i think so... Only an idiot would even mention RJJ/BHOP II in regards to having any relevance in boxing. And I havent mention that fight once since it happened, so what the hell are you talking about:rolleyes:....And who's making excuses, is it not a fact that shane was inactive? I think its you along with that pacman photo on your sig that speaks volumes as who's making excuses. You believe a man that smashed the shit out of your guy must have cheated, why not add Raheem and Barrera to that. Margarito was caught before he cheated so he didnt even get a chance to use his wraps, and didnt need them to kick cotto's ass as you saw. Now you go tell yourself that PAC and MARGO need to cheat in order to beat the guys you like so you can sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
And as far as the spelling post from an entirely different thread (ease back with the stalking) That was a harmless joke against another poster as i playing off of what he did to someone else. And as far as Morrrrales goes, I could give a shit how he spells his name.
boy you need to lay off the crack, only a jackass (see that's where you fall in) would think that Margarito started using wraps for the Mosley fight, who in the right mind would use illegal wraps in a fight that you're the favorite for? looking back at the Cintron fights it wouldn't shock me if he used illegal wraps in those fights as well, he scored a kd and then went on to pretty much land everything and yet the tomato can took it, and it's not like he was some really durable guy either, you try to call me out on bringing up Hopkins/Jones II but what the fuck does Cotto/Margarito have to do with Mayweather whipping Mosley's ass? lol you need to just shut the fuck up and go back to the shadows dude cause honestly you're just making an ass out of yourself, i have the pic of Pacquiao to fuck with the Pactards and yet i've gone on the record to defend his ass against retards like Hornfinger, go figure, and i don't want Margarito to fight anyone again cause the fucker doesn't deserve a license after the shit he pulled, if you're too retarded to understand that well i give up, i've given Pacquiao full credit for his win over Cotto cause until someone can prove he used something it's a legit win, unlike in Margarito's case where the fucker was caught, maybe not specifically for the Cotto fight but like i said it's pretty obvious you're not gonna start cheating when you're facing a guy you're the favorite in getting a KO win, so go on little boy, go rewatch the glory days of when Jones was worth a shit, and just keep telling yourself that it wasn't Hopkins that retired that ass hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherDidnt he scored a Kd plus win virtually every round? You hope he's washed up so that he doesn't get to smash cotto again and you don't want him to make anymore money because he hurt your feelings....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
And you keep bringing up RJJ like I give a shit about him losing past his prime if you really believe that RJJ losses hurt his legacy go ahead and start a thread and see how cold it is standing on that branch alone. Dude FYI I didn't need to see anymore RJJ fights after he won the HW belt.
it's already been proven that Mosley used roids against De La Hoya in the rematch (by his own admission) and has it been overruled? no, but it doesn't change the fact that Mosley cheated in that fight
wrap your simple minded brain around that for a while
You just helped my point, he was caught for one fight, but no one dares think shane was cheating his entire career because those same writers that you roll with consider shane a first ballot HOF fighter and that little ped incident didnt bring his entire career into question....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswhose entire career has been put in question? oh right Margarito's and that's by pretty much any credible sportswriter (and anyone with half a brain, that's why you're not included)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThere's is no "maybe" he wasn't cheating against a cotto. Perhaps they didnt use them against Cotto because cotto had shown he could be hurt and stopped esp if one watched the Mosley fight where he was running the last few rounds. Now if they felt Shane's chin was superior to cotto's (which is it) then that maybe explain why his trainer wanted to give him something extra to hurt shane. Nevertheless Which fight was he suspended for? oh that's right the Shane fight. Did they over turn his fight against Cotto? Nope sure didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherdidnt margarito all ready beat clottey, cintron, and smash cotto to bits without wraps? Yes i think so... Only an idiot would even mention RJJ/BHOP II in regards to having any relevance in boxing. And I havent mention that fight once since it happened, so what the hell are you talking about:rolleyes:....And who's making excuses, is it not a fact that shane was inactive? I think its you along with that pacman photo on your sig that speaks volumes as who's making excuses. You believe a man that smashed the shit out of your guy must have cheated, why not add Raheem and Barrera to that. Margarito was caught before he cheated so he didnt even get a chance to use his wraps, and didnt need them to kick cotto's ass as you saw. Now you go tell yourself that PAC and MARGO need to cheat in order to beat the guys you like so you can sleep at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea that must be it :rolleyes:, sorry the truth is Margarito is utter shit without tampered wraps and it showed in his last fight, and i don't take fighter's losses to heart like you seem to do, your still making excuses as to why Hopkins/Jones II doesn't count :rolleyes:, the Mosley that fought Mayweather was the same Mosley Pacquiao refused to fight, if you wanna go and make excuses as to why he got his ass handed to him go ahead it makes no difference, and while you're on your crusade to get people to spell correctly take your own advice dude cause Morales doesn't have a double r ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherIf you say so....I know a lot of that is because you were either a huge cotto guy or a margarito guy and it hurt your feelings that he beat the shit out of cotto which made you hate him, then if he was actually your guy and found out he was a cheater it hurt your feelings again...sorry about that but double edge sword. too bad. Then its littered with pac hate because he smashed the shit out of morrales....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesmaybe in your little head but i'm pretty damn sure that the vast majority see a win over Margarito meaning jack shit, especially how awful he looked the last time out, Mosley already completely wrecked Margarito, and it's the same Mosley that Pacquiao wouldn't fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherThat will give Pac two fights this year vs one for floyd... And just because Mosely beat margarito doesn't mean anything. Pac and Mosley are different and that size advantage would be something to see pac deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdon't see how beating the guy that Mosley already had whooped, and the guy that Pacquiao himself already has a win over, beats Mayweather's win over MosleyQuote:
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He beat shane mosley, a man pac avoided. He didn't need to weight drain him like pacs done with recent opponants, he had the biggest PPV sales with that fight and on top of that he undeniably proved he's a clean legit athlete.
But the year isnt over and if pac fights again against margarito or cotto at 154, then that would certainly shit on PBF award...
And the SSM v PBf fight was floyd fighting an inactive over trained guy that looked good 18months ago. Pac moving up to 154 to fight cotto again, would be a hard sell but in the eyes of the people that vote for those awards, he will have eight division titles if he were to win. And loss or not, if pac beats Margaritio that would def shit on Floyd....
But the mosley that fought and beat margarito was long gone before PBF faced him. Yeah floyd fought him, but not until they carefully made sure shane was inactive and overtrained. All of that is irrelevant because beating to two contending fighters is still better than beating one which is what pac will have done if he fights and wins later this year.
And as far as the spelling post from an entirely different thread (ease back with the stalking) That was a harmless joke against another poster as i playing off of what he did to someone else. And as far as Morrrrales goes, I could give a shit how he spells his name.
boy you need to lay off the crack, only a jackass (see that's where you fall in) would think that Margarito started using wraps for the Mosley fight, who in the right mind would use illegal wraps in a fight that you're the favorite for? looking back at the Cintron fights it wouldn't shock me if he used illegal wraps in those fights as well, he scored a kd and then went on to pretty much land everything and yet the tomato can took it, and it's not like he was some really durable guy either, you try to call me out on bringing up Hopkins/Jones II but what the fuck does Cotto/Margarito have to do with Mayweather whipping Mosley's ass? lol you need to just shut the fuck up and go back to the shadows dude cause honestly you're just making an ass out of yourself, i have the pic of Pacquiao to fuck with the Pactards and yet i've gone on the record to defend his ass against retards like Hornfinger, go figure, and i don't want Margarito to fight anyone again cause the fucker doesn't deserve a license after the shit he pulled, if you're too retarded to understand that well i give up, i've given Pacquiao full credit for his win over Cotto cause until someone can prove he used something it's a legit win, unlike in Margarito's case where the fucker was caught, maybe not specifically for the Cotto fight but like i said it's pretty obvious you're not gonna start cheating when you're facing a guy you're the favorite in getting a KO win, so go on little boy, go rewatch the glory days of when Jones was worth a shit, and just keep telling yourself that it wasn't Hopkins that retired that ass hahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherDidnt he scored a Kd plus win virtually every round? You hope he's washed up so that he doesn't get to smash cotto again and you don't want him to make anymore money because he hurt your feelings....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea don't know what fight you were watching, he landed everything but the kitchen sink on the tomato can and barely managed to even wobble the guy, i'd go far enough to say that Chavez Jr, Collazo, Clottey (in a rematch), Quintana, and even Spinks all beat Margarito, much less the elite levelQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
And you keep bringing up RJJ like I give a shit about him losing past his prime if you really believe that RJJ losses hurt his legacy go ahead and start a thread and see how cold it is standing on that branch alone. Dude FYI I didn't need to see anymore RJJ fights after he won the HW belt.
it's already been proven that Mosley used roids against De La Hoya in the rematch (by his own admission) and has it been overruled? no, but it doesn't change the fact that Mosley cheated in that fight
wrap your simple minded brain around that for a while
The same with Margarito, if he manages to get reinstated in Cali, fight and win some more that shit will be forgotten, except by cotto fans esp if Arum allows him to face PACMAN. But they'll probably pay him to dive against pac because the PBF-PAC would still be the bigger purse fight.
Manny should fight Berto.That would be fun although might also be a borderline decapitation.Id like to think that if Margarito was 'dirty' his entire career and allowed to enter the ring with illegal wraps all along....we need to cease boxing as we know it and strip down the entire rules process and start over immediatly.cast light on every fighter,from Champion to journeyman.Can you imagine getting 'that' by the commission some 40 plus times ??? or him being the only one?
I believe Mayweather's blood test demand is the most stringent in the annals of boxing history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfingerlol you always now when you're point hits home when the idiot you're debating with turns into a child starts throwing the insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983You are as retarded as first thought. Every test he has taken under the rules of the sport he has passed you thick cunt, so he has proved himself to be clean on every occasion the body who run the sport/fight he was involved him require him to do a test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
For someone who thinks he is the be all and end all fountain of boxing knowledge and ruler of this forum I would have thought that you'd know that the nevada state boxing commissions drug testing is bare minimal. It's simply a urine test. I also thought that the self oppointed king of this site would also know that getting steroids past one of these tests is reletively easy. In fact all thows obviously enhanced UFC fighters get past it all the time.
Pacquiao has in the past refused USADA random blood testing. And as you should full well know, oh great leader of the forum, that refusing a test is the same as failing one. I would be saying this about any boxer who had the chance to do this testing but didn't take it. As you can see I was hardly rushing to Nigel Benn's (one of my all time heros) defence in another thread. It is now down to Nigel to prove he was clean. He's going to have to prove the blood on that boot isn't his or is clean. If proper testing had been done back then he wouldn't be having this problem now.
So without crying like a baby. Or pissing your pants (that's gonna be difficult for you I know but please try not to dribble piss down the side of that high horse you put yourself up on)
Prove he's clean.
Almost all the boxers haven't gone through this testing yet (I'm not even sure Mosley actually went through it). I would say that they're all drug cheats. Can you prove that any of them are clean?
Now to answer the thread starter. I think that Pacquiao deserves it more but I'm not going to complain about the award going to Mayweather.