How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I think he has the durability and power to beat almost everyone except Andre Ward which I think he might be thouroughly outboxed.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
Kelly has reached his peak....hes looking slow and cuts pretty easier now a days.....I say he wouldn't have a chance...maybe beat Green but would struggle with the rest of the pack. To be quiet honest I don't think he has the appetite any more...he comes across has been abit bored of boxing......he should call it a day before he gets a really bad knock out loss
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Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
Shame he didnt get in on it.Think Ward,Dirrell,Kess and Abraham beat him at this stage.Straight shots and power vs Dirrell nice.Sort of strikes me similiar to Green...big punchers with faulty plan B and spotty mental make up when the going gets tough.Pavlik is much more willing but sometimes that will only gets you smacked around twice as badly.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
Kelly v. Froch or Kessler of Abraham is a toss up.
Ward schools him. Dirrell schools him.
He beats Green.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I would have liked to seen him in the mix. At this point I would have him as a toss up against everyone.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I think Kelly is severely underrated now adays and would hold his own against most of the guys in the super 6. I don't think he has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Andre Ward though. Like you said I think he would get outslicked big time.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I think he has the tools to beat Froch, Kessler, Dirrell, Green and he could give Arthur a good fight but i question his chances against someone like Ward he's slick and awkward that would be a tough fight but i think he has a chance. The fights with Froch, Kessler, and Arthur would be really exciting all three have the makings of a war!
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
the only current super six opponent kelly pavlik would have any kind of a chance would be against carl froch, because froch would be right in front of him. the other super six fighters would beat pavlik pretty handily, imo. like someone said, pavlik has peaked and will be going downhill from now on. the way martinez beat him shows that anyone with a solid chin and good boxing skills would beat pavlik nowadays.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
He'd beat Allan Green and the runner Andre Dirrell. The rest well I can't see it. Pavlik was American Media Hype in the 1st place unfortunately for him and HBO he was a one dimensional robot.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I'd give him a shot against Green (60/40 Pavlik), Froch (60/40 Froch), and Abraham (I think Pavlik's style would give Abraham fits). I think everyone else beats him badly.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
IMO everyone by Froch and Green beat Pavlik
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
I think everyone would. Dont know much bout green so i cant speak on him.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
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I'm no Froch fan but I know he's tough, I wouldn't say Pavlik was sure to beat him.
I fail to see how Pavlik's style gives Abraham trouble, AA would LOVE for someone to come in swinging for the fences so he could wear them out early and counter sharpe late to stop them.
Allen Green vs Pavlik would be a solid fight for Pavlik and if I managed Kelly I'd wait until that was available to book to make Kelly's debut at 168.
Because covering up and letting someone with the power of Pavlik wail away on you is a bad game plan. Pavlik has always been known for his high workrate and he has (or had) great stamina. If Abraham pursued his normal game-plan I wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik stop him. By no means do I think Pavlik winning is a sure thing, but I feel much the same about this fight as I do about Abraham - Froch. It's a matter of clashing styles and I think Abraham's traditionally low-output would place him at a severe disadvantage against either fighter.
Re: How would Kelly Pavlik do if he was in the super six tournament?
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El Kabong
If it was just a simple matter of out boxing or out working Abraham then Arthur would have more losses on his record. Right now, based on the loss vs Dirrell you need a VERY slick boxer who is accurate and has some power. You ASSUME that AA doesn't do early damage, when he actually does. AA counters early, he enjoys hurting and stopping his opponents and he has enough power to stop them as soon as he starts countering. I might remind you that AA's counters are crisp, concise, accurate, and powerful...Pavlik's punching has holes and if he misses or is blocked he's wide open to counters. Jermain Taylor damn near stopped him...AA's power would demolish him!
Abraham has fought one fighter who is superior to Kelly Pavlik and he lost. He's one of my favorite fighters (and I generally have very few fighters I almost always cheer for), but someone with a high work-rate and power will give him a lot of trouble. I think Froch has a good chance of beating him and he's worse defensively than Pavlik.
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My view is Pavlik & Froch's wide punches, thrown often but with poor defense are a greater risk in a fight than Arthur Abraham's direct punches thrown rarely and defense used well.
Abraham is just too concise with his punches and his punches are too powerful to be overcome by a wilder opponent.
I agree about Froch, I think if Abraham opens up early and counters him effectively he'll stop him. HOwever, if he waits and covers up and lets Froch get going, I think he could be in trouble. Froch often starts slow as well though, so I don't think it would be as big a deal against him as it would against Pavlik.
I don't think Pavlik punches wide though, he's just relatively slow and plodding; I've rarely seen him throw widely.
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I cant see Green giving Pavlik too many concerns.Think he was a bit exposed and a one trick pony vs Ward.Pavlik is limited,in the truest since of the word,but he is a straight puncher through and through down the middle.He gets wide/loopy to body and telegraphs his offense with his feet.Literally stomps his feet to punch but wont shy from a fire fight and Green dont have the stones I believe to stand in as he'll have to do with wider power.He should of stayed at 168 in the first place.He didnt lose to Hopkins because of the weight.
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El Kabong
If it was just a simple matter of out boxing or out working Abraham then Arthur would have more losses on his record. Right now, based on the loss vs Dirrell you need a VERY slick boxer who is accurate and has some power. You ASSUME that AA doesn't do early damage, when he actually does. AA counters early, he enjoys hurting and stopping his opponents and he has enough power to stop them as soon as he starts countering. I might remind you that AA's counters are crisp, concise, accurate, and powerful...Pavlik's punching has holes and if he misses or is blocked he's wide open to counters. Jermain Taylor damn near stopped him...AA's power would demolish him!
Abraham has fought one fighter who is superior to Kelly Pavlik and he lost. He's one of my favorite fighters (and I generally have very few fighters I almost always cheer for), but someone with a high work-rate and power will give him a lot of trouble. I think Froch has a good chance of beating him and he's worse defensively than Pavlik.
That is a very good point. And if it were against a motivated Kelly Pavlik, it would be tough fight to call. And when I first thought about it, I hear you on the power and volume punching, but after thinking about it I think Abraham would just come out of his shell a little bit earlier and not allow Kelly to hurt him the first few rounds. More and more I think about it, Abraham knocks out Kelly cold.
If either Froch or Kessler are knocked out of the Super Six tournament, either one is a great fight for Kelly in six/nine months.
