We've gotten a look at both guys this year. Khan is def faster but Marquez I think is the harder puncher and has a better chin.
its either Marquez by KO or Khan by decision, either way good fight
Thought?
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We've gotten a look at both guys this year. Khan is def faster but Marquez I think is the harder puncher and has a better chin.
its either Marquez by KO or Khan by decision, either way good fight
Thought?
Khan is taking Marquez at the right time and right situation. JMM is 37 with lots of wear and tear not to mention if the fight takes place it will be at 140. All of this favors Khan. Not to mentioned Khan is calling out Marquez but is pretty mum on guys like Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana, guys that are naturals at 140 that poses great danger. Khan is doing this because he knows he has a great shot at winning.
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Originally Posted by generalbulldog
The only part of thos fight that I think gives Marquez trouble would be the fact that it would be at 140, Marquez looked terrible (physical shape) at 147 but as soon as he came back down to fight this last weekend he looked in great shape and obviously had a great fight.
I think Marquez would has a 60%-70% shot at beating Khan, too skilled for the younger fighter and of course if he tags him Khan is out.
Fanboyism aside, I can only see one winner, Khan.
I think he wins in every department, speed, power, reactions, reach. The only thing I think Marquez has is a better chin, but I don't think he has the power anymore to knock out a top fighter.
I see Marquez getting his face mashed up and getting stopped by the ref late on. At this stage in both their careers I just can't see anything else. Which is a real shame as Khan is starting to collect some marque names on his record now by fighting them late in their careers.
One shot power no, but I thnk Marquez can still add them up to wear out an most fighters. He still has the technizue to counter Khan all night and he does have to hit Khan too hard ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
I just don't think Khan will allow himself to get hit with too many. Kind of a Klitschko sydrome after the Prescott loss.
Khan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
Marquez looked pretty good over the weekend so i doubt this fight will be happening now.
Khan's height would be a big problem for Marquez. It wouldnt be another Barrera Khan type fight. But I see Khan winning a 117-111 decision or wider
Words and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
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Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
Haha no disrespect to the poster but is that a joke? How can anyone feel confident about fighting a certain fighter just because his buddies tell him he would kick their Ass??
I think every one of those fighters except maybe Maidana beats Khan and if Maidana catches him its lights out.
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Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
Haha no disrespect to the poster but is that a joke? How can anyone feel confident about fighting a certain fighter just because his buddies tell him he would kick their Ass??
I think every one of those fighters except maybe Maidana beats Khan and if Maidana catches him its lights out.
I can see what your saying especially after the inteview with them two, but Ortiz has been in the ring with them both ok Kham was in the AM'S and a longtime a go.
I do think unless Ortiz has lost it mentally after a defeat like that he would run rings round him in a rematch.
Me being a JMM fan i don't want to see the fight, JMM is far too small. I mean he's pushing his luck at Lightweight, i'd rather him just stay where he is. Im sick of fighters having to move up and down. JMM has plenty of challenges in his own weightclass, and so does Amir Khan.
No shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWords and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.
Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
It's not about that. General Bullshit insinuated that King Khan was only talking about fighting past their prime fighters. I pointed out that that was not true, and i presented him with snippets from an interview conducted by Boxing Monthly.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
Haha no disrespect to the poster but is that a joke? How can anyone feel confident about fighting a certain fighter just because his buddies tell him he would kick their Ass??
I think every one of those fighters except maybe Maidana beats Khan and if Maidana catches him its lights out.
Yeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Look i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
As much as I want Khan to do well, it makes it even worse when he openly admitted this will be his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I'm sure it's always been like this though, even more so in modern boxing where losses can ruin your career.
Of all the names mentioned for Khan, including JMM, if you were Khan/ Roach which one would you rather be fighting next?
The older, more well known fighter who holds a belt would be jumping out at you
It's tragic if Marquez makes this fight. It'll be the 2nd time he's faced a guy he has no chance of beating.
Can't he just take it easy in his twilight years. Maybe he could give someone else a shot, like Vincent Escebedo or John Murray...? Or give tempt Martinez up to Lightweight ???
Just something far more shrewd than just floggin yourself in the name or pride.
Khan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWords and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.
Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.
BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?
Yeah I rest my case.
So let me get this straight, you don't think it's physically fair for Marquez to fight 5'10 Amir Khan who has a 71" reach but it would be fair for him to fight Ali Funeka who's 6'1 and has a 72" inch reach?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
Every fighter you listed is roughly the same size as Khan. The only guy who isn't is Michael Katsidis, who is an actual beast.
Surely if any of the lightweights you've mentioned fight Marquez, they'll just be doing what Khan's supposedly tried to do....catching an old great fighter at the right time?
Finally, what do you mean, it won't be any different from the Barrera fight? Barrera was fighting in gymnasiums in China before he fought Khan. Marquez in his last 4 fights has beaten two of the best lightweights (twice by knockout) and lost to possibly the greatest fighter of the last 10-15 years.
You're knowledge is great, but sometimes your logic is bizarre ;D
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Originally Posted by generalbulldogKhan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWords and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.
Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.
BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?
Yeah I rest my case.
Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.
I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.
What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.
And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
Khan at 140 is too big for Marquez. It's a close fight only because Marquez is a very intelligent, experienced boxer. Khan is at his prime and fighting at 140. Marquez at his prime was fighting at what, 126? And now he is passed his prime. There are similar reasons for fighting Marquez that there were Paulie, not one punch power, not as fast, and smaller, although I would agree that it is a step up in competition.
I'm more excited about seeing Khan face Maidana, Bradley, or Alexander. Those are compelling matchups, each for different reasons.
I feel like lightweight is where Marquez belongs and he should fight Kastidis at lightweight. That's a better fight for him. I wouldn't count out Marquez, but I favor Khan.
Bit harsh calling Billy Schwer a "gimme." He was stopped on horrific cuts not sparked.
I'm not sure about the rest of the post, but Khan's people didn't want Khan to fight Maidana. I may be incorrect, but didn't Freddie Roach at one point say that Maidana wasn't the right opponent for Khan?Quote:
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Originally Posted by generalbulldogKhan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWords and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.
Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.
BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?
Yeah I rest my case.
Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.
I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.
What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.
And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
Marquez has plenty enough power to KO Khan. He's also one of the smartest fighters on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Khan's size advantge makes it 50/50.
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Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?
He might have, but Ruelas was expected to beat him. Schwer was one of my old man's favourite fighters aswell. Him and Colin Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Here's Roach's latest comments on Maidana...Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI'm not sure about the rest of the post, but Khan's people didn't want Khan to fight Maidana. I may be incorrect, but didn't Freddie Roach at one point say that Maidana wasn't the right opponent for Khan?Quote:
Originally Posted by onoQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogKhan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWords and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoKhan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
On Maidana
"Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"
On Bradley
"I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"
On Alexander
"I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."
Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.
BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.;)
Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.
Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.
BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?
Yeah I rest my case.
Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.
I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.
What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.
And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
"I've heard some people say that Amir is ducking Maidana because he's supposedly a puncher, but, trust me, i'd take that fight tomorrow. Maidana can't box at all; Amir can. Amir wins every one of the 12 rounds against him. a shutout. I guarantee it."
He might not be a natural lightweight, but he still ko'd both Casamayor and Diaz who are both definite lightweights. I'm failing to see how only me and Fenster seem to think this fight would be 50/50. Everyone must really rate Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?
I think Maidana was too busy being shafted by Golden Boy to get a fight arranged.
Khan probably would fight anyone, it's the people behind the scenes that won't want him to.
I think it's more of a case of building the fighters up so the fights can be mega fights. At the minute they're just quality fights that only the hardcores will appreciate. The hardcores aren't responsible for generating the bulk of the money for Golden Boy or for the fighters. It's the casuals that line the pockets of the promoters and the fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
At the minute, Alexander, Bradley nor Maidana sell tickets. Khan does. We can argue the rights and wrongs of that all day, but it's the truth. All 3 have the potential to become stars, but that takes time and it requires those fighters to receive exposure so they can appeal to the casual fan.
There's little point in any of them facing of against each other yet. Alexander vs Bradley is a mistake in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, i'm as intrigued as the next man, but i'd be more excited if it was the type of fight where you could get all your mates round and make a night of it. Sad thing is, that won't happen. Alexander vs Bradley will imo get very little exposure and i don't think it will sell anymore than 8,000 tickets.
I think its funny how Khan ran up weights to avoid Marquez and Katsidas not so long ago now that he has grown into a light welter he calls the top lightweights out.
I think Khan's height and reach plus khan is a very fast fighter would be to much at this stage in Marquez career.Khan stops him very late imo due to Marquez cutting up and swelling over his eyes. I dont think Marquez should fight at 140 against anyone just isnt big enough for the weight.
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Originally Posted by onoHe might not be a natural lightweight, but he still ko'd both Casamayor and Diaz who are both definite lightweights. I'm failing to see how only me and Fenster seem to think this fight would be 50/50. Everyone must really rate Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?
My belief it wasn't as much of the weight but simply boxing prowness. Casamayor was just not the same anymore and Marquez simply beat a tired fighter.( I take nothing away from Marquez great fight). Diaz although being an intelligent guy outside the ring he doesn't fight with the same ring smarts. Remember Marquez had a very tough time with the attacking of Diaz early in the fight. Again Diaz tired and Marquez just landed with pinpoint accuracy. The second fight however I think Diaz was trying to be a little smarter and tried to box with Marquez and that is just a no-no in boxing. Never box with a boxer,never punch with a puncher.
I don't think Khan is that good to be honest I just think he has the faster hands and he is naturally bigger. It is a fight that simple should not be made when there are some many other options in each weight class. I would much rather see Marquez vs Katsidis.
Regardless, he still beat two of the best lightweights, and there is no way in hell Khan can take the same amount of punishment as Diaz did. Like you said, Marquez is very accurate, and Khan doesn't respond well to being hit. That's why it's a 50-50 fight imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by onoHe might not be a natural lightweight, but he still ko'd both Casamayor and Diaz who are both definite lightweights. I'm failing to see how only me and Fenster seem to think this fight would be 50/50. Everyone must really rate Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?
My belief it wasn't as much of the weight but simply boxing prowness. Casamayor was just not the same anymore and Marquez simply beat a tired fighter.( I take nothing away from Marquez great fight). Diaz although being an intelligent guy outside the ring he doesn't fight with the same ring smarts. Remember Marquez had a very tough time with the attacking of Diaz early in the fight. Again Diaz tired and Marquez just landed with pinpoint accuracy. The second fight however I think Diaz was trying to be a little smarter and tried to box with Marquez and that is just a no-no in boxing. Never box with a boxer,never punch with a puncher.
I don't think Khan is that good to be honest I just think he has the faster hands and he is naturally bigger. It is a fight that simple should not be made when there are some many other options in each weight class. I would much rather see Marquez vs Katsidis.
You could be right a 50/50 fight I am not denying that and Marquez is my favorite fighter right now. It is just a fight that I really could care less about. Stylewise. There are many other options for each fighter in their respective weight classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoRegardless, he still beat two of the best lightweights, and there is no way in hell Khan can take the same amount of punishment as Diaz did. Like you said, Marquez is very accurate, and Khan doesn't respond well to being hit. That's why it's a 50-50 fight imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by onoHe might not be a natural lightweight, but he still ko'd both Casamayor and Diaz who are both definite lightweights. I'm failing to see how only me and Fenster seem to think this fight would be 50/50. Everyone must really rate Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLook i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.
At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.
I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.
But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.
Ali Funeka
Robert Guerrero
Humberto Soto
Michael Katsidis
And Amir Khan has.
Timothy Bradley
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Joan Guzman
Victor Ortiz
Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.
Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?
My belief it wasn't as much of the weight but simply boxing prowness. Casamayor was just not the same anymore and Marquez simply beat a tired fighter.( I take nothing away from Marquez great fight). Diaz although being an intelligent guy outside the ring he doesn't fight with the same ring smarts. Remember Marquez had a very tough time with the attacking of Diaz early in the fight. Again Diaz tired and Marquez just landed with pinpoint accuracy. The second fight however I think Diaz was trying to be a little smarter and tried to box with Marquez and that is just a no-no in boxing. Never box with a boxer,never punch with a puncher.
I don't think Khan is that good to be honest I just think he has the faster hands and he is naturally bigger. It is a fight that simple should not be made when there are some many other options in each weight class. I would much rather see Marquez vs Katsidis.
I can still remember 10 minutes ago when khan was looking up at the celing against pretty much a nobody and everyone was shitting on the guy, now i blink and he's a top guy in his division cause he beat paulie m a guy who couldn't test the one thing we all were questioning about the guy. I don't think he deserved all the flack he caught but at the same time and this is just my opinion he deserves absolutley no where near the credit he's been getting. I don't really see him at this point anyway beating any of the guys mentioned. Once this guy get's hit, i think there are going to be a lot of disappointed people. I wish him well, but beating paulie and salita has not changed my mind about the guy at all.
He isn't getting any credit. None whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
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Here's Roach's latest comments on Maidana...
"I've heard some people say that Amir is ducking Maidana because he's supposedly a puncher, but, trust me, i'd take that fight tomorrow. Maidana can't box at all; Amir can. Amir wins every one of the 12 rounds against him. a shutout. I guarantee it."[/QUOTE]
Talk is cheap, Freddie Roach has picked up on the art of talking sht the last few years but he def knows what he's doing what his fighters and doesnt risk them unless there is a huge pay off, not necessarilly money but perhaps belts, recognition, etc.
I think Khan beats Ortiz because of his size, reach, and speed. I also think he has the mental edge on him.
To beat Maidana Khan would have to have the fight of his life, stay focused, and not get hit.
To beat Marquez...well the stars would have to align correctly, he would also have to steal Marquez's piss and drink it to absorb some of his boxing intelligence.