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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Me being a JMM fan i don't want to see the fight, JMM is far too small. I mean he's pushing his luck at Lightweight, i'd rather him just stay where he is. Im sick of fighters having to move up and down. JMM has plenty of challenges in his own weightclass, and so does Amir Khan.
    Yeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.

    I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.

    At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
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    Me being a JMM fan i don't want to see the fight, JMM is far too small. I mean he's pushing his luck at Lightweight, i'd rather him just stay where he is. Im sick of fighters having to move up and down. JMM has plenty of challenges in his own weightclass, and so does Amir Khan.
    Yeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.

    I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.

    At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
    Look i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.

    Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.

    I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.

    But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.

    Ali Funeka
    Robert Guerrero
    Humberto Soto
    Michael Katsidis

    And Amir Khan has.

    Timothy Bradley
    Devon Alexander
    Marcos Rene Maidana
    Joan Guzman
    Victor Ortiz

    Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.

    Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.

    Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
    As much as I want Khan to do well, it makes it even worse when he openly admitted this will be his plan.

    I'm sure it's always been like this though, even more so in modern boxing where losses can ruin your career.

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    Of all the names mentioned for Khan, including JMM, if you were Khan/ Roach which one would you rather be fighting next?

    The older, more well known fighter who holds a belt would be jumping out at you

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    It's tragic if Marquez makes this fight. It'll be the 2nd time he's faced a guy he has no chance of beating.
    Can't he just take it easy in his twilight years. Maybe he could give someone else a shot, like Vincent Escebedo or John Murray...? Or give tempt Martinez up to Lightweight

    Just something far more shrewd than just floggin yourself in the name or pride.
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    Khan is taking Marquez at the right time and right situation. JMM is 37 with lots of wear and tear not to mention if the fight takes place it will be at 140. All of this favors Khan. Not to mentioned Khan is calling out Marquez but is pretty mum on guys like Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana, guys that are naturals at 140 that poses great danger. Khan is doing this because he knows he has a great shot at winning.
    Khan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.

    On Maidana

    "Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"


    On Bradley

    "I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"

    On Alexander

    "I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."


    Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.


    BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
    Words and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.

    You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.
    No shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.

    Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.

    Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
    Khan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.

    And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.

    BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?

    Yeah I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
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    Me being a JMM fan i don't want to see the fight, JMM is far too small. I mean he's pushing his luck at Lightweight, i'd rather him just stay where he is. Im sick of fighters having to move up and down. JMM has plenty of challenges in his own weightclass, and so does Amir Khan.
    Yeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.

    I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.

    At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
    Look i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.

    Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.

    I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.

    But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.

    Ali Funeka
    Robert Guerrero
    Humberto Soto
    Michael Katsidis

    And Amir Khan has.

    Timothy Bradley
    Devon Alexander
    Marcos Rene Maidana
    Joan Guzman
    Victor Ortiz

    Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.

    Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
    So let me get this straight, you don't think it's physically fair for Marquez to fight 5'10 Amir Khan who has a 71" reach but it would be fair for him to fight Ali Funeka who's 6'1 and has a 72" inch reach?

    Every fighter you listed is roughly the same size as Khan. The only guy who isn't is Michael Katsidis, who is an actual beast.

    Surely if any of the lightweights you've mentioned fight Marquez, they'll just be doing what Khan's supposedly tried to do....catching an old great fighter at the right time?

    Finally, what do you mean, it won't be any different from the Barrera fight? Barrera was fighting in gymnasiums in China before he fought Khan. Marquez in his last 4 fights has beaten two of the best lightweights (twice by knockout) and lost to possibly the greatest fighter of the last 10-15 years.

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    Khan is taking Marquez at the right time and right situation. JMM is 37 with lots of wear and tear not to mention if the fight takes place it will be at 140. All of this favors Khan. Not to mentioned Khan is calling out Marquez but is pretty mum on guys like Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana, guys that are naturals at 140 that poses great danger. Khan is doing this because he knows he has a great shot at winning.
    Khan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.

    On Maidana

    "Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"


    On Bradley

    "I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"

    On Alexander

    "I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."


    Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.


    BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
    Words and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.

    You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.
    No shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.

    Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.

    Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
    Khan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.

    And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.

    BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?

    Yeah I rest my case.

    Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.

    I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.

    What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.

    And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
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    Khan at 140 is too big for Marquez. It's a close fight only because Marquez is a very intelligent, experienced boxer. Khan is at his prime and fighting at 140. Marquez at his prime was fighting at what, 126? And now he is passed his prime. There are similar reasons for fighting Marquez that there were Paulie, not one punch power, not as fast, and smaller, although I would agree that it is a step up in competition.

    I'm more excited about seeing Khan face Maidana, Bradley, or Alexander. Those are compelling matchups, each for different reasons.

    I feel like lightweight is where Marquez belongs and he should fight Kastidis at lightweight. That's a better fight for him. I wouldn't count out Marquez, but I favor Khan.

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    Bit harsh calling Billy Schwer a "gimme." He was stopped on horrific cuts not sparked.
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    Khan is taking Marquez at the right time and right situation. JMM is 37 with lots of wear and tear not to mention if the fight takes place it will be at 140. All of this favors Khan. Not to mentioned Khan is calling out Marquez but is pretty mum on guys like Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana, guys that are naturals at 140 that poses great danger. Khan is doing this because he knows he has a great shot at winning.
    Khan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.

    On Maidana

    "Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"


    On Bradley

    "I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"

    On Alexander

    "I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."


    Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.


    BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
    Words and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.

    You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.
    No shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.

    Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.

    Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
    Khan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.

    And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.

    BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?

    Yeah I rest my case.

    Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.

    I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.

    What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.

    And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
    I'm not sure about the rest of the post, but Khan's people didn't want Khan to fight Maidana. I may be incorrect, but didn't Freddie Roach at one point say that Maidana wasn't the right opponent for Khan?

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    Khan at 140 is too big for Marquez. It's a close fight only because Marquez is a very intelligent, experienced boxer. Khan is at his prime and fighting at 140. Marquez at his prime was fighting at what, 126? And now he is passed his prime. There are similar reasons for fighting Marquez that there were Paulie, not one punch power, not as fast, and smaller, although I would agree that it is a step up in competition.

    I'm more excited about seeing Khan face Maidana, Bradley, or Alexander. Those are compelling matchups, each for different reasons.

    I feel like lightweight is where Marquez belongs and he should fight Kastidis at lightweight. That's a better fight for him. I wouldn't count out Marquez, but I favor Khan.
    Marquez has plenty enough power to KO Khan. He's also one of the smartest fighters on the planet.

    Khan's size advantge makes it 50/50.
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    Me being a JMM fan i don't want to see the fight, JMM is far too small. I mean he's pushing his luck at Lightweight, i'd rather him just stay where he is. Im sick of fighters having to move up and down. JMM has plenty of challenges in his own weightclass, and so does Amir Khan.
    Yeah but if fighters never moved up or down we wouldn't have seen Hatton headbutting a turnbuckle, norr would we be even talking about a potential Mayweather - Pacquiao fight.

    I don't see the worry with Marquez fighting Khan. At 135 he knocked out two of the best fighters. It only looked a struggle because he didn't box. Khan only moved up to 140 for a title shot. It's not like he was too big for the weight. Marquez doesn't have to come in at 140. He can give away 3 or 4 pounds and it won't really matter. Marquez ios more than capable of knocking Khan out. Even at 147 he landed clean on Mayweather. If he lands on Khan like that, it's lights out.

    At the end of the day it's night, and Marquez is the best fighter at 135. Khan apparently is nowhere near the best fighter at 140. I fail to see how you see Marquez as being too small to compete with Khan.
    Look i know you and Bilbo like Amir Khan, and me debating whether or not JMM should move up, isn't going to change your mind. All im saying is that Amir Khan has all the physical advantages with big reach and height advantages.

    Aswell as the age factor and the fact that JMM, only moved to Lightweight to chase Manny Pacquiao. In truth he was at his best at Featherweight.

    I really fail to see how this would be much different to the MAB fight, yes of course JMM is fresher than MAB and is rated higher.

    But as i said with the physical advantages, it really isn't a fair fight. JMM has plenty of fights at Lightweight which i would like to see.

    Ali Funeka
    Robert Guerrero
    Humberto Soto
    Michael Katsidis

    And Amir Khan has.

    Timothy Bradley
    Devon Alexander
    Marcos Rene Maidana
    Joan Guzman
    Victor Ortiz

    Im just sick of all this matchmaking all the time, to catch old great fighters at the right time.

    Why not fight the current fighters in your own weightclass ?
    .

    I say bravo to this statement. Always trying to take out the old dogs and not having enough balls to take on the up and comers. They always use the notion well wait until the fighter's get a bit more expierence and then it will be a great fight. Nine times out of ten it's B.S. Let's see the newcomers fight now then decide were they go from there. Marquez is a lightweight and a blown up one at that. Khan is still growing and he probably walks around at about 147. Khan should pick fight's with other biggies in the weight class why not the Khanqueror Bredis Prescott for a huge rematch in England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Bit harsh calling Billy Schwer a "gimme." He was stopped on horrific cuts not sparked.
    He might have, but Ruelas was expected to beat him. Schwer was one of my old man's favourite fighters aswell. Him and Colin Jones.
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    Khan is taking Marquez at the right time and right situation. JMM is 37 with lots of wear and tear not to mention if the fight takes place it will be at 140. All of this favors Khan. Not to mentioned Khan is calling out Marquez but is pretty mum on guys like Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana, guys that are naturals at 140 that poses great danger. Khan is doing this because he knows he has a great shot at winning.
    Khan's said he'd fight every single one of those guys.

    On Maidana

    "Maidana's the one i'd most like next. I've told Golden Boy to make that fight. Kotelnik managed to beat Maidana by frustrating him and that's what i'd intend to do. Victor Ortiz told me i'd take him apart"


    On Bradley

    "I think i'm already the biggest draw in the division but me apart, Bradley's the best name out there and it would be a good fight to see where i am and establish who's best at 140. Jose Benavidez (Khan's stablemate) went away to spar with Bradley and apparently Jose took him apart. When he came back to L.A. he told me i was miles ahead of Bradley - quicker, hit harder, better skills"

    On Alexander

    "I think he's seriously overrated and i know i'll destroy him, if and when we meet."


    Let's not let the truth get in the way of an agenda though.


    BTW i think Marquez has a great chance of stopping Khan. Marquez turned down the fight a while back anyway. Roach isn't that confident of a fight happening.
    Words and actions are different. He also said he would beat Pacquiao and would take him on in the future. And he also famously said he wants to fight guys past their primes and then tried to use Oscar as an example.

    You're right let's not let truth get in the way of an agenda though.
    No shit. Your initial point was that Khan was keeping 'Mom' about fighting either of these guys. I presented you with quotes which suggest your initial statement was a load of fiddlesticks.

    Practically every fighter out there will have a 'coming out' fight where it will be against a former world champion or a past his prime future Hall of famer, and it'll be a fight which the up and coming fighter will be expected to win if he is to go on and reach his potential. Khan's basically admitting he'd take this route if it presented itself to him. Every other fighter would do the same. All Khan is doing is being honest about it, and he is right, Oscar did do it.

    Alexander did it not so long ago when he fought Corley and when he fought Witter, although Witter nor Corley were ever really that good to begin with. There's nothing wrong with it because Alexander is still young and he has plenty of time to make great fights. As does Khan.
    Khan sure clammed up when Alexander and Bradley said they would take the challenge. It's over on boxingscene where Bradley said Khan could kiss his ass and took the bluff and said let's do it in December, no word yet isn't that strange? Same thing with Alexander.

    And no Oscar didn't built up his career beating past their prime fighters as a young up and comer. In his 18th pro fight at 22 years old he took on Rafael Ruelas, who was the number 2 LW in the world, where Oscar was seen as the underdog, then took on the undefeated Genaro Hernandez in his next bout. Oscar didn't do the same thing. Try again.

    BTW anyone else here thinks it's funny that Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class? MAB was one, and JMM is up next. Anyone remember when Khan and Roach said they wanted to fight a shot Erik Morales?

    Yeah I rest my case.

    Ruelas was almost knocked out by Freddie Pendleton a year before he fought Oscar. Ruelas was 34 when he fought Oscar. In the two previous fights he fought a guy with a 1-1-1 record and then he fought a gimme against Luton's own Billy Schwer, which conveniently happened to be for the vacant IBF lightweight title.

    I'm unsure as to how that's any more impressive than a 23 year old Khan fighting Juan Manuel Marquez who is p4p number 3? Especially considering Khan's ability in comparison to Oscar's - given that you seem to believe Khan is a hype job.

    What do you mean 'Khan usually fights a past his prime legend that's really out of his weight class?' He's done it once. Roach suggested Morales or someone of that stature would be a good TV opponent for Khan, and that was over 1 year ago.

    And of course there's no word from Khan about an imminent fight with either Bradley or Alexander. That makes sense considering they're both about to fight each other. He's already stated he'll fight the winner, and he's already stated he wants to fight Maidana next. All of this was clear during the post fight interview after the Malignaggi fight.
    I'm not sure about the rest of the post, but Khan's people didn't want Khan to fight Maidana. I may be incorrect, but didn't Freddie Roach at one point say that Maidana wasn't the right opponent for Khan?
    Here's Roach's latest comments on Maidana...

    "I've heard some people say that Amir is ducking Maidana because he's supposedly a puncher, but, trust me, i'd take that fight tomorrow. Maidana can't box at all; Amir can. Amir wins every one of the 12 rounds against him. a shutout. I guarantee it."
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