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Then ppl will want Floyd to fight Margarito and thats when pacman vs floyd will happen and he will get criticized for not fightin margarito. Ppl will probably say pac was too small anyway .
I can't even pretend that could happen...Margarito has been proven he can not deal with speed...Pacquiaos speed is at a cray level for a fighter of 147lbs and his work rate is insane...Margarito is NOT beating Manny Pacquaio
...if margo wins It would serve boxing right and hopefully get rid of all the pac floyd garbage. It would also teach kids and up and comers a good thing. That you don't have to win, or play fair to be sucessful in this shady sport. I agree with above that all of the sudden ankles will break jumping off the pac wagon and we'll be back to people thinking margo would have a chance in hell at beating floyd, reguardless of not really beating anyone and getting blasted by mosely. I'm starting to understand more and more why people watch ufc and the like.
I'm actually hoping it happens actually and I'm a big Manny fan. It just pisses me off that they didn't get the fight made with Floyd. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. They could have split $100mil in PPV revenue but if Manny loses that will be a small pie to slice up. Having said that I'd give Margo only a 30% chance to beat Manny. If Manny wasn't a politician right now it would be down to 20%
I'll be getting the LOLCOPTER out....
i think margarito is being taken too lightly. for one, speed isn't everything if you're pressured all night like margarito is going to do to pacquiao. we'll see how pacman deals with this type of pressure. as far as margarito being so slow, yes, he is slower than margarito but timing can equalize speed and i think margarito is going to try to time pacquiao's punches. and what's going to happen if pacquiao cannot deal with margarito's pressure? pacman has never fought a bigger, longer, pressure fighter like margarito who is going to go for pacman's body from round one.
can margarito beat pacquiao? certainly but it's going to take a massive effort on his part. i just don't think pacquiao is going to destroy him like many think he is. i actually think it's going to be a tough and dangerous fight for pacquiao.
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Its not completely out of the question. Manny will be exceptionally fast is contrast but he needs to remove any Mayweather thoughts,concerns of proving a point and 'making a statement'...he better be focused on the man in his face who is actually looking to fight him. And good for Manny for not stepping aside after the ulrta diva showdown fell through. I could care less if he and Mayweather meet...Champions fight more-talk less.
Is work rate a word that applies to a fighter who throws over 1200 punches in a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Because Margarito does that. Please do not mistake Margarito for Lazy-ass Clottey. I think the only fight that comes to mind where speed was killing him was Cotto. But we know how that fight ended....
Boxing will lose credibility at a faster rate then it is now.
MMA will start attracting more and more disillusioned boxing fans.
if Margarito beats PAC, he beats him but because of the addage of a good big man beating a good little man. PAC has had a nice run and he is going up against a man that is bigger than him with a high work rate. If Margarito fights Floyd the defense master, let us not forget Floyd has fought others that hit hard and Floyd so far has taken a few hard shots over the years. I still don't like him but it depends on how hard it would have been to defeat PAC. The longer the fight and the more intense, the better Floyd's chances are. It would be interesting but I am pulling for the PACMAN in this one. Forgiveness doesn't cut it when it came to the scandal but then again no one asked me and I wasn't in the dressing room so that judgement never popped into the equation, just the question. What if?
If Margarito beats Pac, I will cut off my penis and sell it on ebay.
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Originally Posted by koppas
Pac won't lose, the fight won't even be in a regulated state, so he can take as many drugs as he wants!
But seriously, much like the PBF vs Mosley fight where we all thought for a little while "what if mosley wins......" then we saw the fight and realised it was never likely to happen.
Margarito is good and it should be a entertaining fight, but he would have to knock out Pacman which I can't see, if it goes to the judges he'll be doomed.
Pac will do the same, if not more, to Margarito than what Mosley did.
on paper, pacquiao will be too fast for margarito and should win by comfortable decision. but fights are not fought on paper. they are fought in the middle of the ring between two humans. pacquiao is good but he isn't a machine that can't get hurt by any human. in margarito, he'll be facing a hungry fighter hell bent on trying to recover his damaged reputation. forget about his lack of speed because it did not prevent him from beating the much faster miguel cotto who by the way, i believe, hasn't been the same since margarito beat him. people say mosley KO'd margarito so automatically pacquiao should do the same? wrong answer! first of all, mosley i believe, hits harder than pacquiao. and besides, we don't know how pacquiao's power is going to translate at 154. margarito will probably be weighing in excess of 160 lbs. so i'd be surprised if pacquiao would be able to hurt him. another thing, in the clottey fight, even though clottey threw so few punches, he still managed to mark up pacquiao's face. now imagine margarito going forward, pressuring pacquiao from the get-go and throwing in excess of 1000 for the fight! imagine margarito punishing the body of pacquiao from round one! will pacquiao still be fleet afoot in the late going? will margarito finally catch him with a body shot late or slow him down enough that pacquiao succumbs to margarito's relentless pressure? maybe he can't, maybe he can. that's why we can speculate all we went. we can say pacquiao will have an easy fight but as chris berman always says, "that's why they play the game (fight)".
IF Margarito was to beat Pacquiao I wouldn't be shocked....I mean maybe this is just me but I'm still shocked that the little dude I saw destroy Jorge Eliecer Julio on the Lewis-Tyson undercard has not just beaten but STOPPED Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, and Miguel Cotto. That's all still sinking in for me....from 120 to straight owning people at 147!!! Remember when Diego Corrales who just moved from 135 up to fight Joshua Clottey, well compare that to what Pacquiao did to the guy....I mean just amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppas
HOWEVER I think Margarito is a shot fighter, I think he KNEW about the illegal wraps, I think his confidence was shattered when he was found out, and I think Pac could starch him lik ehe starched Hatton (not implying Hatton had shot confidence or used illegal wraps, but just in terms of shear brutal "put to sleep" KO'd)....I think Margarito is just a beaten man (litterally and figuratively) since the Mosley fight and Pac is so money right now he'll walk right through him.
And mind you I'm no Pacquiao fan...I have just been impressed by his work recently, impressed enough to have my doubts about whether or not he's acheiving this legitimately
Margo does look like a shot fighter to me. With that style and the wear and tear on his body through the years, I would give Margo maybe a 20% chance of beat Pacquiao, with illegal wraps it would be close to 50%. So to even this fight they should give Margo illegal handwraps, now that would be interesting.
Considering what a slow starter Margarito is, I don't see this happening. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I can see Margo, being the pressure fighter that he is, following Pac around the ring only to keep eating Pac's straight lefts until they take their toll and drop Tony :-\. Or Pac jumping in and out connecting here and there, until the punches start to wear Tony down :-\.
Margo should keep the distance with some jabs and one-two punches, stay away from the ropes, and hope a lucky power punch connects.
koppas,
okay, you're right about margarito being a slow starter. and it's very likely he'll fall behind like he did against cotto. but, like cotto, pacquiao could get tired and discouraged that his punches wouldn't hurt margarito. then what? margarito may have alot of weaknesses but he also has alot of advantages as well. for one, he's fought at 154 while pacquiao has yet to. he has a big height and reach advantage. he's relatively fresh (one year suspension) and with a new trainer, he'll learn somethings about defense and how to better utilize his potential bothersome to pacquiao, jab.
we'll see, we can speculate all we want, which is great and fun, but until they do the actually fighting in the ring, anything can happen!
I think he'll be ok with not hurting Margarito. He didn't seem to be bothered about not hurting Clottey. He'll stick to his game and outwork him imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
ono,
agree but, margarito is going to bring it unlike clottey didn't. clottey was only there to survive and still marked up pacquiao pretty bad. margarito has 4-5 times more activity than clottey.
and you're right, the only way margarito wins is by KO. in the clottey fight, pacquiao showed me he was very ordinary defensively and margarito could salivate this!
Cheers ono, that was going to be my argument. He didn't seem discouraged his punches not affecting Clottey, kept throwing them regardless. Plus, Clottey didn't even ATTEMPT to throw any punches. Margarito will and he will get caught. Many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think he'll be ok with not hurting Margarito. He didn't seem to be bothered about not hurting Clottey. He'll stick to his game and outwork him imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I agree Margarito is more dangerous, but like Koppas said, he'll also leave a bigger target for Pacquiao. I can definitely see the argument for Margarito being able to hurt and maybe even stop Pacquaio, but the smart money has to be on Pacquiao to either beat him or points or even stop him late on. If i had any, that's where i'd be putting my money anyway. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
ono,
you're right, conventional wisdom would favor pacquiao but in boxing you never know. i still think if margarito is right mentally and physically, he's got a hell of a chance. but right now pacquiao is the "it" fighter, momentum wise so we'll see. should be a great fight!
Agreed mate. It should be a cracker whatever happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
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Originally Posted by Onix
Agreed. It would be bad for boxing, IMO.
The same Clottey that was beating Margarito until he broke his hands?.....The speed that killed Margarito that came from Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsIs work rate a word that applies to a fighter who throws over 1200 punches in a fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Because Margarito does that. Please do not mistake Margarito for Lazy-ass Clottey. I think the only fight that comes to mind where speed was killing him was Cotto. But we know how that fight ended....
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Originally Posted by koppas
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IF he beats Pac, then big congrats to him and MMA sports (yeah, it'd be bad for boxing).
But he's just too damn tailor made for Pac. A come-forward-fighter and loves to exchange,... just the way Manny like 'em. Margacheato will eat lots of stinging punches from nowhere.
no matter what happens one things for sure.................mayweather wont fight pac if pac wins.....he'll fight margarito MAYBE if margarito wins
Not totally out of the question! Anyone who can just walk through Pacs punches and keep punching WILL cause him problems. Not sure how much Marg has left though.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I mean Pac prob won't knock out Margs as he has a great chin and it will not be completely one sided as Pac is not hard to hit and Margs has an amazing work-rate but In just think Pac is too good for Marg and will out class him.
I marg beats pac every one will say
'well it doesn't count because margarito cheated once and shouldn't have been allowed in the ring anyway'
Or some other rediculous excuse.
For me personally if marg beats pac, I will laugh. ALOT!