Tyson Holyfield 1

I had to pull this fight out of the closet to get remind myself of what a good heavyweight fight looks like. I have Tyson ahead after the 5th round. In the 6th Holyfield hits Tyson with an EXTREMELY low blow that the ref misses. Seconds late Holyfield drops Tyson to the canvas for the second time in his career, and subsequently finishes Iron Mike off by the 11th frame.

My question is this:

Could Holyfield have won this fight without the low blow?

In my eyes Tyson never recovered from that punch. And I dropped Holyfield another notch as a professional fighter. He is pretty fun to watch when he's not head-butting his way to victory, but there is no denying his rough-house tactics.

it was a masterful performance by Holyfield, i wouldn't label him as a dirty fighter, cause he didn't have to cheat to win, and since when has Tyson been Mr. Clean?

if things aint going tysons way we know he self destructs, plus tyson thought he could just turn up & win, so when this didnt go to plan holyfield had the fight won.

One of the best executions of a gameplan I've ever seen. I think the low blow was a mute point and honestly Tyson is the last guy I give credence too when he cries foul(s). It was a rough & tumble fight as are most hvy weight clashes worth their weight. Suck it up and fight. As years have gone Holyfield has had some head butts but that movement,counter punching and out bullying the bully was something else to watch unfold.

The low blow didn't matter that much. Holyfield just beat Tyson down like a dirty rug.

It reminded me of a good Brooklyn street fight I saw once. Besides the busted lips and loose teeth, these guys had lots of beer to end their pain. The rest of us were amazed no one was killed.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

The low blow didn't matter that much. Holyfield just beat Tyson down like a dirty rug.

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Exactly. Tyson thought he could bully a supposed "faded" Evander and when he realised he couldn't his shit Heart gave way. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tyson lacked the heart to be a great, Evander is an all time great.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I had to pull this fight out of the closet to get remind myself of what a good heavyweight fight looks like. I have Tyson ahead after the 5th round. In the 6th Holyfield hits Tyson with an EXTREMELY low blow that the ref misses. Seconds late Holyfield drops Tyson to the canvas for the second time in his career, and subsequently finishes Iron Mike off by the 11th frame.

My question is this:

Could Holyfield have won this fight without the low blow?

In my eyes Tyson never recovered from that punch. And I dropped Holyfield another notch as a professional fighter. He is pretty fun to watch when he's not head-butting his way to victory, but there is no denying his rough-house tactics.

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Are you kidding me ? yes of course Evander Holyfield would have won, i think he was always winning by quite a wide margin. Mike Tyson hit Evander Holyfield with everything in the 5th round, then Mike Tyson got dropped on the seat of his pants the next round.

I mean what about Razor Ruddock vs Mike Tyson 2 ? Mike Tyson hit Razor Ruddock with so many low blows it was like watching Riddick Bowe vs Andrew Golota.

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Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran

It reminded me of a good Brooklyn street fight I saw once. Besides the busted lips and loose teeth, these guys had lots of beer to end their pain. The rest of us were amazed no one was killed.

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I wouldn't go quite that far ;D

Im a fan of Tyson but he got owned fair and square that night.

In round 7 he tried to get his own back and he went in with his head but came out worse. He was just getting bullied and did well to last to round 11 tbh.

In the rematch he knew what was coming and had given up by the 3rd.

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Originally Posted by GAME

In the rematch he knew what was coming and had given up by the 3rd.

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very true - if there was ever a time to withold a fighter's purse and not give it that was the one

I just found this. Made me laugh.:rolleyes:

BBC - Ben Dirs: Wishing Holyfield would disappear

Holyfield told me the story of the first time he met Tyson between the ropes, 12 years before their first world title fight in 1996 and the abomination that followed, when 'The Baddest Man on the Planet' turned grisly gourmand and made a meal of his rival's ears.
"Every time Mike sparred he tried to kill people and his trainer warned me, 'you sure you want to do this Evander? Mike hit real hard'. We got in the ring, he tried to do all that stuff and I pinned him in the corner. They all knew then that it makes no difference how big you are, I'll go toe-to-toe with you. From that point on, Mike knew I'd look him in the eye and say, 'OK, let's go.'"

This must be the same time that Holyfield manned up to Mike by a pool table at the olympic trials.

Thing is. This was early in 1984, Mike would have been 17!! While Evander was 22!!;D

Mike gave up after the 5th and realised that he was not conditioned enough and ready for a seasoned fighter like Holyfield after the last barrage in the 5th. Tyson tried to get himself disqualified and get the fight stopped on a cut but after that was not going to happen he took his beating like a man. He shook Holyfields hand after in the press conference after.

Holyfield had EVERYTHING going his way vs Tyson...Evander had supreme conditioning, a granite chin, better than average handspeed, quality defense, and his power was not 1 punch lights out power but it would wear someone down real quick. Evander pressed his opponents into action either by movement, punching, or just physically muscling up on them...he would sap his opponent's energy and seemingly absorb it for himself to use, the guy RARELY got tired.

Mike Tyson was bad, yes he had quick hands, he had a great chin, he had above average defense for a power puncher, and he had very quick hands....but he stopped throwing combinations, he allowed himself to get tied up on the inside, and his stamina sucked all those are the REAL Mike Tyson post prison...before prison he was a different story, but he would have always lost to Evander. Styles make fights

Tactically that was one of my favourite fights.
EH knew what to do and stuck to it like glue.

As someone said before, Tyson complaining about dirty tactics always raises a smile.

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I had to pull this fight out of the closet to get remind myself of what a good heavyweight fight looks like. I have Tyson ahead after the 5th round. In the 6th Holyfield hits Tyson with an EXTREMELY low blow that the ref misses. Seconds late Holyfield drops Tyson to the canvas for the second time in his career, and subsequently finishes Iron Mike off by the 11th frame.

My question is this:

Could Holyfield have won this fight without the low blow?

In my eyes Tyson never recovered from that punch. And I dropped Holyfield another notch as a professional fighter. He is pretty fun to watch when he's not head-butting his way to victory, but there is no denying his rough-house tactics.

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Tyson has got to be the dirtiest fighter in morden times so IMO what comes around goes around.


In simple terms that fight was a case of the bully gettiing beat his own game.;D

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Originally Posted by JonnyFolds

I had to pull this fight out of the closet to get remind myself of what a good heavyweight fight looks like. I have Tyson ahead after the 5th round. In the 6th Holyfield hits Tyson with an EXTREMELY low blow that the ref misses. Seconds late Holyfield drops Tyson to the canvas for the second time in his career, and subsequently finishes Iron Mike off by the 11th frame.

My question is this:

Could Holyfield have won this fight without the low blow?

In my eyes Tyson never recovered from that punch. And I dropped Holyfield another notch as a professional fighter. He is pretty fun to watch when he's not head-butting his way to victory, but there is no denying his rough-house tactics.

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In all truth as a top level fighter when this bout came off Tyson was done as much as I like Mike the fact is he stopped boxing and just looked for 1 punch...Mike was a bully in the ring like others state yes but not the bully where he would not fight back when put against the wall...It was all part of his persona...Part of his mental game his whole career shit is it his fault that so called professional fighters SUPPOSED world class professional fighters are scared because he gives a dirty look and tells you to fuck yourself?....It is boxing and anyone who looked down on Tyson for his antics must think Ali is the Anti Christ because when you look back on the things that man did to opponents in and out of the ring he was just plain cruel....

At the time of Tyson Holyfield 1 Mike was looking to be a 1 punch KO artist and he was but he aslo could box well if he WANTED thing is he had gotten so used to being a 1 shot artist and guys crumbling before he even entered the ring that he gave up on being a true fighter of his caliber by living free outside the ring etc....

Holyfield did what the gameplan was frustrate Tyson on the inside smother his punching power and have him make mistakes...They also relied on the fact that Evander at that time had a stellar rep as a fighter so dirty things by him would be looked upon as "ACCIDENTS" Evander would never do anything on purpose :-\.....Frank Bruno used these tactics in the 1st Tyson fight and it worked well for him before the stoppage and that was before Tyson declined to the point he had by time he fought Evander.....

Evander Holyfield I agree is a dirty fighter...Look at all of his fights not just the Tyson fight and you will notice he is dirty whenever he can be Elbows. lowblows, headbutts, holding and hitting are all his specialties...He is one of the dirtiest fighters in the ring to ever hold the World title...Out of the ring believe me Evander is an arrogant self loathing I am the shit individual that has little appeal as a person but he knows that does not play well for the cameras so he acts different when the cameras are on him......

In the end none of it mattered...Tyson alloowed Tyson to be bullied and treated that way...He was the stronger fighter he was the dirtier fighter and he could have just made it that way all the more oin his favor he choose not too....The Tyson of any stage would have fell victim to that night but chances are he would have boxed more like he knew how to and caught Holyfield to end the show instaed of it being the other way around