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De La Hoya: I want to eliminate all competition
Golden Boy President Wants To Eliminate All Competition - Boxing News
He basically says he wants to get rid of the Don Kings and Bob Arums and have only 1 boxing promoter (meaning him) and he would also want 1 boxing commission. He wants to sign all the talent, have all the tv dates, have a monthly ppv, etc.
*Now my thoughts on this are that there is nothing wrong with having 1 unified and centralized boxing commission that sets all the rules, for instance instead of having the Nevada Athletic commission and California athletic Commission, and the other states commissions, have only 1 unified commission that recognizes only 1 champ and has a universal standard rule. But having only 1 promoter is bad, just think of it as Dana White monopolizing MMA where he gives the fighters really shitty wages for having 1.5 million PPVs like in the case where Brock Lesnar made only 450k in that fight. I'm all for having multiple promoters, in a way I see them as sports agents for their boxing clients, sort of like what the NFL, NBA, MLB has. Those American sports leagues has 1 unified rule and commission but have numerous sports agents getting their clients good money. Since many of these boxers put their life on the line to entertain us, I"m not for them being fucked over like that money wise like what Dana White does to his MMA fighters. 1 boxing commission is good, 1 promoter only is bad in my eyes.
Just my 2 cents.
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It would be nothing like Dana White, Dela Hoya can be a cunt at times but he want's to do this for boxing, it's a good idea but won't happen, if it ever did would be not in our lifetime.
Dela Hoya just want's the best fights made making him and his fighters a lot of money.
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Since Oscar has come onto the scene as a promoter he has put on some decent fight's but most of them have nothing but old washed up fighter's or fighter's that are in a weight class that no one gives a shit about. He'll hit the homerun with the megamoney fight and then put five lackluster fight's with on a card before it. That to me is not helping the sport it is hurting it. Yes it leaves us serious boxing fans foaming at the mouth but in reality you are also trying to sell to the casual fan. I think that is were Oscar misses and Arum and King fill in. They at least have a couple or even several fight's that are worth a damn.Not Alfonso Gomez and Jose Luis Castillo. OR on the recent card Saul Alvarez against a shell of him former self Baldomir. When a big money fight could have been made with a top ten oppenent for Alvarez. Point being is Oscar is trying to sell the meaningless fight's with out hitting it out of the park until the main event. Something that Arum and King already have produced on their cards.
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ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
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ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
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De La Hoya came into the promotion world on a 'bettering boxing' kick but he has done jack shit, and I was a real supporter of his too. He did almost what amounted to a 'State of Boxing' speech on my local radio station KNBR in the runup to the second Juarez-Barrera fight and everything he outlined in that speech, none of it has been accomplished. 1 boxing commission is a good thing, because people are actually on government payrolls that let Kid Thunder fight. 1 promoter isn't a good thing, no way. Still, let's see if he actually does anything to make this 1 commission thing happen.
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ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
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Master
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ElTerribleMorales
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Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
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Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old :-X
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Boxing should turn the keys over to De La Hoya. Let the man fixes what's wrong. If anybody can do it, Oscar can
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ElTerribleMorales
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Master
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
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Taeth
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ElTerribleMorales
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Master
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...
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Taeth
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ElTerribleMorales
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Master
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...
George St. Pierre the best fighter p4p in the UFC got paid 60k in one of his co-headlining fights. Lesnar got paid something like 450k for headlining a ppv that had 1.5 million buys. Great for the fans no doubt, but really shitty pay for the tens of millions they make for Dana White. White gets tens of millions while if these guys are lucky the may break 100k. Now that is sad.
Boxing can fix a lot of things if it had 1 commission only, which I'm for. The thing I'm against is 1 promoter UFC style, this fucks over the fighters really badly. And since many of these guys put it on the line to entertain us, I do want them to get what they can get.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Taeth
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ElTerribleMorales
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Master
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
You are naive, what if they do not want to sign for him, they are forced to sign with him and what he has to offer. He will look after himself and his cronies.
umm you're the one even taking the idea of it happening seriously, so who's really the naive one? King, Arum, and hell even Goosen have too much money of their own for DLH and GBP to be able to come anywhere close to getting a monopoly, it's never gonna happen, and if it did we would be stuck with boxing's version of UFC and the only ones who'd be screwed are the fighters themselves, that said yea there should only be one commission
What's wrong with the ufc? They make all the big fights that are wanted, and put out good cards on a monthly basis, and the guys who don't perform get booted.
ummm apart from they pay their fighters peanuts well yea nothing...
George St. Pierre the best fighter p4p in the UFC got paid 60k in one of his co-headlining fights. Lesnar got paid something like 450k for headlining a ppv that had 1.5 million buys. Great for the fans no doubt, but really shitty pay for the tens of millions they make for Dana White. White gets tens of millions while if these guys are lucky the may break 100k. Now that is sad.
Boxing can fix a lot of things if it had 1 commission only, which I'm for. The thing I'm against is 1 promoter UFC style, this fucks over the fighters really badly. And since many of these guys put it on the line to entertain us, I do want them to get what they can get.
that's my point, you know something's wrong when Toney (a guy with zero MMA experience) gets paid a rumored 750k to 1 mil for just showing up and getting beat up, and then the guy who was challenging for the title gets paid only a couple ten thousand bucks
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Boxing should turn the keys over to De La Hoya. Let the man fixes what's wrong. If anybody can do it, Oscar can
Giving him absolute power will destroy boxing, no one should have that much power, not good for the boxers.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
They could also lock out other fighters and tell fighters exactly what they were going to pay them. There would be no options or bargaining power for a fighter if one guy controlled everything. If a fighter wasnt happy with their purse they would just put them on the shelf and forget about them like King did to many fighters. Its a bad idea that will never happen. Oscar is no saint for boxing.
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salty trunks
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Master
ODH wants a monopoly on fighters, so does Arum, King and Warren. Boxing would be ruined if that happens.
how so? if one promoter had all the rights to every fighter there would be no need to shield a fighter, seeing how they would get all the profits regardless
They could also lock out other fighters and tell fighters exactly what they were going to pay them. There would be no options or bargaining power for a fighter if one guy controlled everything. If a fighter wasnt happy with their purse they would just put them on the shelf and forget about them like King did to many fighters. Its a bad idea that will never happen. Oscar is no saint for boxing.
how's this any different from the UFC?
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You're missing the point. Who's saying the UFC is a good thing? Bulldog is 100% right. UFC creates a better product for the fans but it's shit for the fighters.
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You're missing the point. Who's saying the UFC is a good thing? Bulldog is 100% right. UFC creates a better product for the fans but it's shit for the fighters.
how am i missing the point, read back on my posts, i had said the same exact thing
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Career and choice of employer options good...no options bad. Not every chef wants to work at Piccadilly.
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What a douche, "I wanna be dictator of boxing" is basically what I am hearing. Pretty soon it may turn out like that, he will probably outlive all the old guys, so we need some young promoters to give him competition. He is confused I think, one commision and sanctioning body, yeah that sound cool. But one promoter..no thanks. Thats like the NFL having one agent. If there was some kind of pay structure in place across the board maybe but there isnt.
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Controlling Boxing is just the beginning. Oscar got bigger ambitions than that. Oscar looking to be the first Golden President in US history. Give him 20 years. He get there.
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Violent Demise
Controlling Boxing is just the beginning. Oscar got bigger ambitions than that. Oscar looking to be the first Golden President in US history. Give him 20 years. He get there.
I think you're right. High aspirations take lower steps.
Manny will be president of the Philippines by then.
Cool, they can go tag team and serve a belting on that fuk who runs North Korea.
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Spicoli
Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old :-X
Nice play on words there Spicoli.
Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
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Andre
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Violent Demise
Controlling Boxing is just the beginning. Oscar got bigger ambitions than that. Oscar looking to be the first Golden President in US history. Give him 20 years. He get there.
I think you're right. High aspirations take lower steps.
Manny will be president of the Philippines by then.
Cool, they can go tag team and serve a belting on that fuk who runs North Korea.
You know what's funny? Fixing Boxing and bringing some order to it is just might be the harder fight for Oscar than becoming President.
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Violent Demise
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Controlling Boxing is just the beginning. Oscar got bigger ambitions than that. Oscar looking to be the first Golden President in US history. Give him 20 years. He get there.
I think you're right. High aspirations take lower steps.
Manny will be president of the Philippines by then.
Cool, they can go tag team and serve a belting on that fuk who runs North Korea.
You know what's funny? Fixing Boxing and bringing some order to it is just might be the harder fight for Oscar than becoming President.
;D
That's probably true.
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Violent Demise
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Controlling Boxing is just the beginning. Oscar got bigger ambitions than that. Oscar looking to be the first Golden President in US history. Give him 20 years. He get there.
I think you're right. High aspirations take lower steps.
Manny will be president of the Philippines by then.
Cool, they can go tag team and serve a belting on that fuk who runs North Korea.
You know what's funny? Fixing Boxing and bringing some order to it is just might be the harder fight for Oscar than becoming President.
Someone will shoot Oscar first if he tried to stop corruption in boxing, Sulliman may be the lone shooter.
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i think de la hoya is talking out of his ass. eliminating all competition would be bad for boxing and most importantly, boxing fans. this country was founded on a free market. competition is what makes a country great. that's why countries like the united states, england, japan, germany, france, italy and others are the richest because of competition. de la hoya must be smoking wacky-tobaccy if he thinks his plan is going to happen.
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Andre
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Spicoli
Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old :-X
Nice play on words there Spicoli.
Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
Yeh Kings a walking cartoon but he and Arum always served as counter balance to one another. Competion as shown by Kings early SET ppvs which were the best I've seen. On the flip side though, both of their stubborn arses prevented some great fights from happening, network haggeling and not risking 'franchise' fighters.
A monopoly is not good. It may streamline and simplify early on but it won't last and even more quality fighters will lose 'favor' thus exposure to fans and vice versa. Unified boards and commision are the answer not a self anointed czar with a direct financial interest in contract terms and outcomes. Like ex fighters being involved big time but one man one vote gets sticky.
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Getting rid of the Don Kings and the Bob Arums, and "eliminating all competition" are entirely two different things. I don't think too many people will shed a tear when Don King finally hangs them up for good. But there's other young aspiring promoters out there as well. Who the hell made Oscar God? Oh yeah... the very same ones that think his sh*t don't stink and he walks on water. How fukking predictable.
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Spicoli
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Andre
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Spicoli
Competition is what keeps business successful and thriving. Oscar wants to be a damn Don...not King. We don't need dictators. Maybe he can ensure lifetime contracts for his fellow share holders....and I'm betting Hopkins could last until 65 yrs old :-X
Nice play on words there Spicoli.
Mr King is a 4 real killa he would never just roll over for the new Don.
Yeh Kings a walking cartoon but he and Arum always served as counter balance to one another. Competion as shown by Kings early SET ppvs which were the best I've seen. On the flip side though, both of their stubborn arses prevented some great fights from happening, network haggeling and not risking 'franchise' fighters.
A monopoly is not good. It may streamline and simplify early on but it won't last and even more quality fighters will lose 'favor' thus exposure to fans and vice versa. Unified boards and commision are the answer not a self anointed czar with a direct financial interest in contract terms and outcomes. Like ex fighters being involved big time but one man one vote gets sticky.
I cant see it would ever happen smoothly, its a huge pie thats already been cut up. Something would have to change dramatically as people wouldnt give up any of their share.
There are so many fighters these days ; Maybe if it did occur one day in the future then it would have to be ran like league ladders within divisions and fight offs with relegation and step ups to make it to the top ladder. Then maybe even separate promoters handling all the separate weights.
I dont know the answer, even some of the top judges are tarred with some hidden brush, Not many but some of their insane calls that are so far from other pro judges that it makes me feel they must be on the take or into side bets.
