He's trying to figure out how to return to the amateur ranks...FACT. (there's a link on boxingscene that explains it better).
This begs the question "What the hell has Teddy Atlas done to Povetkin?"
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He's trying to figure out how to return to the amateur ranks...FACT. (there's a link on boxingscene that explains it better).
This begs the question "What the hell has Teddy Atlas done to Povetkin?"
I've heard rumours David Haye wants to take part in the next commonwealth games.
Stays on here. ;)
dont think he is even allowed to go back to amateurs is he
If he is genuinely scared of fighting a klitschko then i would suggest he trim down that pot belly and get himself down to cruserweight level
Only worrys youve got there is fighting against an average marco huck and herbie hide who is a few years short of a free bus pass
Going by the article Povetkin misses the boat even if they did allow it.
It still makes you wonder what Povetkin's goals are and what Atlas has planned for the guy.
Being here in the past 17 months, I've noticed 2 things about Lyle on this board. He really really hates the liberals/leftwingers/democrats and he has a man-love affair with Wlad. That's all the guy talks about when it comes to either politics or boxing, those 2 same subjects in almost every post.
Yes I do hate liberals, but why does anyone have an issue with me posting about Wlad #1 he is THE heavyweight champion of the world #2 he is not viewed with respect by the average boxing fan so I have to teach them why he's so damn good and #3 This thread is about Povetkin going from Mandatory challenger to out of the top 10 to wanting to fight in the amateurs again without ever losing a fight, as a fan of the sport and given the state of the heavyweight division its just fucking sad to see this about Povetkin.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
....People mainly complain about my posting about Chicken Little
There is the occasional Tavoris Cloud post too.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I like several fighters but right now nobody is really doing much hence this post.
Back on topic, what is next for Povetkin and does anyone think highly of him anymore?
Yeah what the hell did happen to povetkin? His heart must have just left him somewhere along the way, I thought teddy would toughen him up and get him ready to fight one of the k bros. Seems like he stayed right along on his path of regression and soon should be fighting cabbies with 1-8-2 records for the pan european wbf title. Very weird to see this maybe he just isn't cut out for the pro game at the top level.
I agree its just so odd that a guy can go and fight pretty tough opposition and dominate and then just professionally regress like this. Wlad offered him over 2 million and he didn't take it, I figure if he wanted to cash out that would have been the way to go, but to sit around fight nobodies and then feel bad that you're not an amateur again is just ridiculous.
What has Atlas brought to this kid? Is he any better? He obviously doesn't feel he's ready for a title shot and he's not moving towards earning one.
I think Povetkin needs to drop Atlas, if your trainer talked you out of a title fight that may never come again that's one thing, but for him to have such of a lack of faith that you are considering renouncing your pro status well, what's the point really? It's maybe time to get with someone that can move you forward.
Teddy has done nothing to Povetkin...He just knows he is not ready for the Klitschkos, Neither one of them...Atlas is not going to send a lamb into slaughter for the sake of a title shot,,,,He rather let Povetkin fight second tier guys keep improving him then wait to see what opens up in the future...Povetkin is 31 fairly young for a HW these days so he has time....Why ruin a fighter when he has the potential to do much better down the road?......Teddy knows what he is doing....
Be that as it may Daxx, I've got to disagree with the direction Teddy is taking Povetkin. Sasha is 31 years old, a former Gold medalist, and has a pretty solid pro record of 20 (15 KO)-0-0, but the guy has gone from fighting a difficult Larry Donald, a game Chris Byrd, and a very tough Eddie Chambers to the likes of: Taurus Sykes, Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora, and Teke Orah...and it's not as if he's fighting very often either (which was one of Teddy's original goals).Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
This heavyweight division may not have much in the way of challenges for guys like Wlad and Vitali, but it still has PLENTY of challenges out there for guys like Povetkin and I am just shocked Teddy hasn't wanted to test his fighter AT ALL. I get the whole "I don't want a Klitschko to ruin my fighter" mentality but Teke Oruh?!?!?! Who the fuck is that? I follow the division and had never heard of the guy! Why not fight a seasoned veteran fighter that can give him rounds? That's what he needs he needs some ring experience. Dig up Krasniqi or Lyakhovich I think they'd give him good work, Povetkin should at LEAST be working towards the European title....he could (should) beat Dimitrenko and that would be great practice for him.
...look none of these guys have a chance beating either one but going the amature route seems kinda silly. I don't see why he doesn't get experience against some of the other heavy's that can't beat wlad or vitali either. I'm not necessarily a fan but i have no problem with the klitch's, when they were vulnerable no one else had a problem with them either. Now that they've done what every boxer in the world dreams of which is completly rule a division, people have a problem. If they were american hbo and everyone else would treat them like the greatest thing boxing has ever seen. Either way i'd rather see povetkin bow out and take another route, instead of doing the david haye and stalking the guys just to grab his dress and run from them. Besides if povetkin did go back to the amatures he'd still be facing better competetion than audley freakin harrison. And people are actually paying money to see that garbage....
I agree with this, I mean he won that tournament (over Byrd and Chambers (who had beat Brock)) all three of those guys got their shot. So okay maybe no go for a Klit yet, but someone of substance needs to be in the other corner. I also seem to recall (perhaps mistakingly) Atlas saying he wanted Povetkin to fight like an old school fighter every 2-3 months. So he's not getting the quality or quantity of training you would think someone needs to improve to the point of challenging Wlad. Meanwhile he is stagnating in a division that he should rightfully be in the top 5 of, other fighters are passing him by.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBe that as it may Daxx, I've got to disagree with the direction Teddy is taking Povetkin. Sasha is 31 years old, a former Gold medalist, and has a pretty solid pro record of 20 (15 KO)-0-0, but the guy has gone from fighting a difficult Larry Donald, a game Chris Byrd, and a very tough Eddie Chambers to the likes of: Taurus Sykes, Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora, and Teke Orah...and it's not as if he's fighting very often either (which was one of Teddy's original goals).Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
This heavyweight division may not have much in the way of challenges for guys like Wlad and Vitali, but it still has PLENTY of challenges out there for guys like Povetkin and I am just shocked Teddy hasn't wanted to test his fighter AT ALL. I get the whole "I don't want a Klitschko to ruin my fighter" mentality but Teke Oruh?!?!?! Who the fuck is that? I follow the division and had never heard of the guy! Why not fight a seasoned veteran fighter that can give him rounds? That's what he needs he needs some ring experience. Dig up Krasniqi or Lyakhovich I think they'd give him good work, Povetkin should at LEAST be working towards the European title....he could (should) beat Dimitrenko and that would be great practice for him.
Oddly enough Mike Tyson AND Teddy Atlas agree that any fighter that is going to challenge a Klitschko had better be fighting 3-4 times a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Here's the guys Povetkin should consider for his next opponent even if he and Teddy just want to get solid work in: Timur Ibragimov, Albert Sosnowski, Sam Sexton, Derric Rossy, Fres Oquendo, Domonick Guinn, Jonathan Banks, Chazz Witherspoon, Sergi Lyakhovich, Luan Krasniqi, Oliver McCall, Shane Cameron.
I mean all those guys have experience, they have decent records, and in all honesty they are well below the quality of who Povetkin SHOULD be fighting which is top 10.
Chicken Little may be fighting Audley Harrison but even Audley is better than Teke Oruh. If Sasha keeps this up I may have to give him a little wussy nickname like the one I gave Chicken Little
To be fair it'll be hard to find a name more sissy than Sasha.
In Russian, Sasha is short for Alexander.....................Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
I can understand your points on that...Shit I could be 100% wrong but trying to think positive and knowing how Teddy is I like to give the benefit of the doubt there and the ones I mentioned could be the only possible answer outside of just plain out WTF is wrong with these guys.....Use the lesser guys to perfect flaws on then move back up....Then again like mentioned he may go packing for the opener boutrs and never be heard from again...Only time will tell my friendQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBe that as it may Daxx, I've got to disagree with the direction Teddy is taking Povetkin. Sasha is 31 years old, a former Gold medalist, and has a pretty solid pro record of 20 (15 KO)-0-0, but the guy has gone from fighting a difficult Larry Donald, a game Chris Byrd, and a very tough Eddie Chambers to the likes of: Taurus Sykes, Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora, and Teke Orah...and it's not as if he's fighting very often either (which was one of Teddy's original goals).Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
This heavyweight division may not have much in the way of challenges for guys like Wlad and Vitali, but it still has PLENTY of challenges out there for guys like Povetkin and I am just shocked Teddy hasn't wanted to test his fighter AT ALL. I get the whole "I don't want a Klitschko to ruin my fighter" mentality but Teke Oruh?!?!?! Who the fuck is that? I follow the division and had never heard of the guy! Why not fight a seasoned veteran fighter that can give him rounds? That's what he needs he needs some ring experience. Dig up Krasniqi or Lyakhovich I think they'd give him good work, Povetkin should at LEAST be working towards the European title....he could (should) beat Dimitrenko and that would be great practice for him.
Nobody has more than a puncher's chance against either brother, they completely outmatch the competition at heavyweight. That being said I think Povetchkin has plenty of the top level heavyweight who aren't the brothers to fight.
What I can say is that these brothers, especially Wlad are extremely special talents, and they deserve far more credit than they have been given. Besides Mayweather and Pacquiao who has foughten and dominated as high of a level of opposition as Wlad has?
I'd like to see Povetkin take on Solis. Not sure the handlers of either would as they probably see both as being the potential future of HW boxing (which is a frightening thought), but both are former gold medallists from the same olympics, neither are in the best of shape but both have decent skills if they could just shed a bit of fat! The winner for me would then be ready to get the beating that the next level would bring them!
Why are people saying Povetkin isn't in good shape, some people are just built that way, I mean look at his output against Chambers.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIn Russian, Sasha is short for Alexander.....................Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
I'm sure Chicken Little means sod all in Russian.
Not literally, mind :p
Agreed some guys just are not chisled, we have this and like to see fighters looking cut to shreds but some guys just cant no matter how much they try....Others don't even need to be in some cases...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Not to mention the "M" word :-X...But guys like Roy Nelson and Cabbage Carrera are far from being the ideal looking fighters but both are in damn good shape