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There seems to be a lot of hate for margarito and perhaps rightly so :-\
there is a history of cheating tho by boxers people seem to love
toney, rjj, hollyfield, mosely
look at rjj,. he was unbeatable, did the change come when he was exposed?
im not trying to start a controvesial thread :cool: that might spark some heated debate ;) but i would like to know people's thoughts on the drug cheats
Innocent Until Apprehended By The Relevant Parties And Proven Guilty* :cool:
However the above statement is deemed moot where the words 'Ripped' and 'Fuel' are used in conjunction.
it seems to me that margarito is being bombasted unmercifully by most forumers, and rightfully so. what he did was irreprehensible and in bad taste. but the man did serve his one year suspension and has been given a license to continue to earn a living, and rightfully so. but, where are all these forumers on the steroid cheats? where are they? and please don't tell me what margarito did was worse than steroid cheats because cheating is cheating in my book. i think this, most pundits on this forums are so overwhelmingly in love with pacquiao and have shamelessly indulged themselves with his kool-aid, that they will say anything and everything negative about margarito. that's okay because i was a margarito fan before the scandal and i will continue to support him wholeheartedly for this fight and beyond.
dude, apparently you have no idea of the concept of punishment fitting the crime. Murder and jaywalking are both illegal. Should they both have the same punishment? According to you, yes.
Steroid cheats? if caught should be giving a very stiff penalty, maybe even expulsion from the sport permanently. But more so, is loading your gloves with weapons that have been proven to help directly kill people Yes aka Billy Collins/Resto. That was this sports precendence for the bahaviour...and should have been enough of an example to let others know, never again.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
why is it worse?
i had a conversation with another member of the forum just the other day about the affects of steriods, I dont know what they are on a boxer but an average steriod user in the gym will gain 10 - 15% in strength during his steriod cycle
with the right drugs would a boxer be hitting 10-15% harder, and 10-15% faster?
steriod cheats have loaded gloves in my opinion
youngblood,
should murder and attempted murder be given the same sentence? not according to many laws in the world!!!
look, it has never been proven that margarito has ever fought in the ring with loaded gloves. can you prove any instances where he did? he was caught attempting to fight with them.
now i ask you, where is the outcry from these forumers on steroid users?
look, this is the typical argument that always break out...and probably what you are looking for in your trolltastic OP. But I aint biting. ITS WORSE. deal with it.
blood,
well let's leave it at that! you've got your opinion and i've got mine. but the fact is this, margarito is back and he'll be making millions of dollars win or lose. i know this eats you up inside but sooner or later you've got to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
soz dude, no basis for your argument
you cant call me a troll coz ive beaten you in an argument ;)
no dude, there is no winning or losing this. just opinions. and I've clearly stated drug cheats should also be considered for expulsion. so you are trolling and nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
in what way am i trolling?
just to recap - i said drugs and loaded gloves are the same, you said loaded gloves is worse, i gave you a reason why its the same, you said no its just worse and i am a troll
i would say out of that exchange you are the troll bro
:bananastyle: ha, shagging bananas
I suppose it comes down to intent. If your hands are caked in plaster of paris you are intending to do serious and lasting damage.
Is the intent for a steriod user to do the same? probably not, they are probably looking to get an edge oblivious to the fact that their edge could seriously hurt someone, or magnify whatever risk there was of them seriously hurting someone.
Just my two cents.
i dont buy it dude sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
margs wanted to increase his power
steriods increase your power
i dont see the diffence
i dont condone either but margarito is hated and hollyfield is loved
ha young blood just negged me "for trolling"
dude, you have to be honourable in defeat as well as in victory
there are only 2 types of posts I neg and I do it rarely. spam. and trolling. (well, there is the miles incident...but that is a different story :D )
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
you still havent said why im trolling
and like i say, from this thread you look like the troll
should we all neg you for it?
ok, you might be actually retarded then if you aren't trolling and can't comprehend this is about opinions, as there is no definable rule in place for durations of punishment, or severity.
And If I would have known you were simply retarded, I wouldn't have negged you. my apologies. ;)
Child molestation and littering are both unlawful crimes but one gets you decades in prison while the other a small fine and possibly some small local jail time if you can't pay the fine.
It also depends of what PED is it, for Mosley it was EPO to increase his stamina not his power.
Anyways I agree with YB that this is pretty much a troll thread.;)
ha, tahts the fuinniest post ive ever readQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
amongst all the gobbledy gook i get called retarded funny :D
your wrong dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
you mustnt like the subject
mosley increases his stamina, so say in the later rounds when his opponent is tiring hes fighting like its early in the fight, a massive advantage that could cause serious harm
I'm not saying either is right, but there is a huge difference between juicing yourself up, even giving yourself 25% more stamina, power, speed etc to smashing someone repeatedly in the head with a brick.
A brick will do far more damage. (I liken plaster to bricks)
Sorry but Brassknuckles hit WAY HARDER than being loaded. 15% more power with steroids? brass/plaster Knuckles triple if not more your power without challenge. It's causes way more damage than having 10% more power on your pops because of juice. Collins-Resto is the pure example of what loaded gloves can do, they got banned for life so should have Margarito and god knows I used to like that fighter a lot. Not anymore.
Totally agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
In my honest opinion, a performance enhancing drug is a performance enhancing drug is a performance enhancing drug... It don't really matter if it's making you hit harder, fight for longer, or even making your willy bigger.
However, fighting with loaded gloves is just as cheap as cheap gets.
It's kinda like the difference between:
Fucking for a living.
Fucking on viagra for a living.
Fucking with a Dildo for a living.
There is a huge differential in the levels of insecurity and fraudulent activity ;D
When you put it that way it makes perfect sense ;D
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Originally Posted by the boogie man
It depends. Would you rather be hit on the face repeatedly with a brick or by someone who is on steroids?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44duuuuddeeQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
why is it worse?
i had a conversation with another member of the forum just the other day about the affects of steriods, I dont know what they are on a boxer but an average steriod user in the gym will gain 10 - 15% in strength during his steriod cycle
with the right drugs would a boxer be hitting 10-15% harder, and 10-15% faster?
steriod cheats have loaded gloves in my opinion
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
They do come to me every now and then.
Ive been negged by PSL now
a pac man fan not liking a drug cheat thread ;)
interesting
anyway i think everyone is missing the point
does it matter which is worse?
even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved
its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating
whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?
To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.
People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.
i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fightQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeTo answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.
People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.
i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times
did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly
but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?
how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?
roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess
how many fights was Roy on drugs for?
That we don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fightQuote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeTo answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.
People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.
i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times
did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly
but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?
how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?
roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess
how many fights was Roy on drugs for?
That's the reason we don't judge unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Sometimes, we also take into consideration the nature of the crime. Margo's crime is seen by many as more heinous and we usually abide by the rule of majority.
I understand your point of view but your debate was going nowhere. As they say it, it is an exercise to futility. LOL.
The kind of cheating Margo did is of different level because as they said it, someone already died because of it. As to the juicing part, I haven't heard/read any news that a fighter died because his opponent was juicing.
someone dying is a fair pointQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
how do we know the externt of the drug problem tho and what affects it has had on fighter's carears and health
i dont think the majority point is fair tho, especially on this forum, because its peoples sporting idols that we are questioning
aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did
so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?
No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.
It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.
Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.
Margarito should have been banned for life he could have killed someone with his loaded gloves as for Roy Jones weren't it something in a supplement drink in the end and not steroids or performance enhancing drugs. One thing that should have been done is when Pacquiao was first refusing these tests with Mayweather then all these so called rumours were coming out about his team sending Mayweather team emails and so on saying if anything was found in the tests would they keep it to themselves. What should have happened is the boxing commision should have got him in and done proper tests on him. Seems daft that all these rumours werecircling and he was refusing tests with no real reason not to take them and the boxing commision never pulled him up on it. Me personally i agree with Floyd i think the sport of boxing does need these olympic style drug tests in place the boxing commisions need to come into the 21st century and try there best to keep fighters safe and on an even playing field.
No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
using steroid is a dangerous weaponQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont know the outcome of the rjj case, perhaps it wasnt steriods, i was usung that as an exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
but yes, im suprised if the rumours are true about the emails that this wasnt suspicion enough to move on it straight away