cheating

[erics44]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

does it matter which is worse?

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.

Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.

People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.

i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fight

i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times

did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly

but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?

how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?

roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess

how many fights was Roy on drugs for?

[brucelee]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

does it matter which is worse?

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.

Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.

People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.

i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fight

i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times

did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly

but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?

how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?

roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess

how many fights was Roy on drugs for?

That we don't know.

That's the reason we don't judge unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Sometimes, we also take into consideration the nature of the crime. Margo's crime is seen by many as more heinous and we usually abide by the rule of majority.

I understand your point of view but your debate was going nowhere. As they say it, it is an exercise to futility. LOL.

The kind of cheating Margo did is of different level because as they said it, someone already died because of it. As to the juicing part, I haven't heard/read any news that a fighter died because his opponent was juicing.

[erics44]

That we don't know.

That's the reason we don't judge unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Sometimes, we also take into consideration the nature of the crime. Margo's crime is seen by many as more heinous and we usually abide by the rule of majority.

I understand your point of view but your debate was going nowhere. As they say it, it is an exercise to futility. LOL.

The kind of cheating Margo did is of different level because as they said it, someone already died because of it. As to the juicing part, I haven't heard/read any news that a fighter died because his opponent was juicing.

someone dying is a fair point

how do we know the externt of the drug problem tho and what affects it has had on fighter's carears and health

i dont think the majority point is fair tho, especially on this forum, because its peoples sporting idols that we are questioning

[erics44]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

[Memphis]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

[erics44]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

isnt as black and white as what?

[Memphis]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

isnt as black and white as what?

Mate are you sure you havent been punched repeatedly in the head with bricks?

[Nameless]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.

[erics44]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.

using steroid is a dangerous weapon

[Nameless]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.

using steroid is a dangerous weapon

Much less than using brass knuckles.