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Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Just wondering.... As it's a given that in most discussions, JMM has been the fighter of recent times that gave Pac the most trouble. And that actually a third fight with JMM makes the most sense because of that...
I honestly think at 140 or above Pac would be a LOT more difficult for JMM to match up with.
But completely putting the weight issues aside, do you think he has improved enough to be more competitive (or dominant) against JMM? Obviously confidence would play a part as well, which is sky high for Pac right right now..
But skill wise is the real question...
And on the other side, how do you think JMM has progressed since those fights?
Everyone is talking about a JMM fight making the most sense if you overlook the weight differences, but no one has really talked about whether the fighters are still matched so evenly ability wise.
and fine yes, for the people already thinking it,,, I concede I am slightly sucking Pac's nuts by creating another thread about him in an already abundant first page of Pac threads... This is my first and last I promise, and it's a topic i've yet to see discussed..
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
pac seems to have improved an unbelieveable amount
he has battered top class p4p professionals 3 or 4 divisions above what he fought jmm at
i think he was very fortunate to get the decision in one of the JMM fights, i cant see JMM getting anywhere near next time
i hope he does tho
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Pacquiao has difinitely improved since the JMM bouts. And he's still not declining as a fighter, he's improving every fight. Pac is more rounded than he used to be. He used to be a one-dimensional fighter. He got away with being one-dimensional because bwoy what a dimension that was! But you cannot survive in the long run with just one dimension (meaning nothing put a forceful left hand). His left hand is dynamite. But now he's hurting, knocking down big guys with his right hook too. What has been impressing me the most though is his footwork and the way he throw accurate combos. His punches are so freaking weird to look at, but they are so precise. He has evolved into a two fisted fighter who can box or slug.
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I also feel JMM is now slightly worse
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
It hard to say because he hasn't faced a fighter with JMM ability that was fighting at optimal weight. So its hard to tell. I think right now its about making as much money as he can, and having him active in the to public. A fight against anyone that will show his lack of improvement vs a fighter like JMM will hurt his appeal as it pertains to setting up
"THE FIGHT" the one that everyone talks about but is tired of talking about.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
IMO he has improved ten fold. I am a big Marquez fan and it does hurt for me to say that knowing he should have gotten the nod it at least one of those fights,but a fight right now Pac would destroy Marquez.Pac is more in the range of a junior welter 140 and Marquez is probably more like a 130 fighter fighting at 135. He seems to have a much better right hook that is staggering and his combinations have improved with speed and power. Marquez hasn't really improved on any one thing.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Pac's chin has considerably improved from 130, now to the higher weights. Doesn't need to cut a massive amount of weight and then rehydrate to 145 on fight night. Now it's only 3 or 4 pounds the most.
I don't see JMM rocking him like he did in their last fight if there is a 3rd and final bout at 140.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
I think it's more the fact that he has a huge speed advantage now against guys that stand right, than the fact he improved after the Marquez fight. It' really hard to gauge that because he hasn't faced the same type of opponent. I think in some ways he has improved, but not in the ways that would help him against a pure boxer or JMM.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
He's only fought fighters who come straight forward in a brawling style that have been Ko'ed badly at least once within their last 5 fights. Not to mention that all but hatton were brought down to a catch weight.
It's hard to say if he's improved or not.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Yeah, Pacman improved.
1. He throws 6 punch combos instead of 3
2. He don't pull straight back. He cut angles
3. With the weight and condition, he has gotten stronger.:-X
4. Now he on roids!!!
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.
That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.
JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.
JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.
Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.
But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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ICB
Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.
That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.
JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.
JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.
Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.
But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.
Just rewatched it yesterday, and he clearly beat pac. Hard to see how he deals with Floyd.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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ICB
Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.
That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.
JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.
JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.
Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.
But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.
Just rewatched it yesterday, and he clearly beat pac. Hard to see how he deals with Floyd.
Well i think he would catch Floyd Mayweather Jr, alot more than Floyd Mayweather Jr's been hit in quite sometime. Because of the southpaw style, penertrating the shoulder roll.
But i can see Floyd Mayweather Jr having a field day with his counter punching, Manny Pacquiao would be hit so often. And Floyd Mayweather Jr has underrated power.
But it would be a very intriguing fight to watch, the best offensive fighter of this decade vs the best defensive fighter of this decade.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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ICB
Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.
That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.
JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.
JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.
Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.
But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.
Just rewatched it yesterday, and he clearly beat pac. Hard to see how he deals with Floyd.
Well i think he would catch Floyd Mayweather Jr, alot more than Floyd Mayweather Jr's been hit in quite sometime. Because of the southpaw style, penertrating the shoulder roll.
But i can see Floyd Mayweather Jr having a field day with his counter punching, Manny Pacquiao would be hit so often. And Floyd Mayweather Jr has underrated power.
But it would be a very intriguing fight to watch, the best offensive fighter of this decade vs the best defensive fighter of this decade.
Floyd would only use the shoulder after he got Manny's timing down. He'd stick straight rights into Manny's face and roll away before sitting in the pocket. But then I thought he'd run from Mosley because I thought Shane would show up, not the old man that did.
Boxing is a funny sport and I'm making no more definitive picks in regards to "megafights"
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
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Hornfinger
floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even
with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact
hes getting older and the fact
he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz
Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
Coming up with the excuses already even before they start their third negotiation?
Both of them have their own greatness and flaws, so if they do fight, a lot of credit (with no excuses) should go to the victor.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
The excuses for both fighters will be out there if 1 of them loses, that is a guarantee.
If Pac loses it's because he was worn down from fighting all those bigger guys and that Mayweather was bigger than him.
If Floyd loses, it's because he was so inactive, less mobile and he was going downhill (see hornfinger's post)
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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The excuses for both fighters will be out there if 1 of them loses, that is a guarantee.
If Pac loses it's because he was worn down from fighting all those bigger guys and that Mayweather was bigger than him.
If Floyd loses, it's because he was so inactive, less mobile and he was going downhill (see hornfinger's post)
That's why I put 'should' in my post. That's just wishful thinking on my part.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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Dizaster
Just wondering.... As it's a given that in most discussions, JMM has been the fighter of recent times that gave Pac the most trouble. And that actually a third fight with JMM makes the most sense because of that...
I honestly think at 140 or above Pac would be a LOT more difficult for JMM to match up with.
But completely putting the weight issues aside, do you think he has improved enough to be more competitive (or dominant) against JMM? Obviously confidence would play a part as well, which is sky high for Pac right right now..
But skill wise is the real question...
And on the other side, how do you think JMM has progressed since those fights?
Everyone is talking about a JMM fight making the most sense if you overlook the weight differences, but no one has really talked about whether the fighters are still matched so evenly ability wise.
and fine yes, for the people already thinking it,,, I concede I am slightly sucking Pac's nuts by creating another thread about him in an already abundant first page of Pac threads... This is my first and last I promise, and it's a topic i've yet to see discussed..
Dont want to take credit away from JMM but pac reach his prime above the lightweight division. Everybody seem to forget that each time pac fought JMM, he was already suppose to go up in weight. In their last fight, pac granted the fight with JMM before going up in weight.
Besides Morales, JMM had troubled Pac more then anyone in the featherweight division. Most people wouldn't even believe Pac could be successful above the featherweight division back then, but he has hardly lost a round since going above featherweight. Not having to rehydrate and being able to keep his speed and stamina have allowed Pac to renew his arsenal. Attacking from different angles rather then the old Pac who just attacked with speed and power.
In the future, would people consider pac at his greatest below or above lightweight? Some one should make a poll above that.
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I find it hard to believe that anyone would even have to ask the question. Roach is the first one to say Pacquiao is a completely different fighter since fighting Diaz. He studies film, forms a strategy and works on that game plan in the gym. Before his fight with Diaz he just trained harder to be in better condition. JMM will get destoryed by Pacquiao if they fought today even at 135. JMM can't handle boxers that stay on the outside. Chris John and Floyd Mayweather are perfect examples. Pacquiao no longer just goes into a fight banging away as he did in his last fight with JMM. His new style has prolonged his career. The in and out boxing he now does will frustrate the hell out JMM. If they do meet again and Pacquiao beats the crap out of JMM, people that want Pacquiao to lose, will just say JMM got old. Not that JMM is not old, its just what they will say.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
I too believe that JMM won the 2nd fight. I was surprised with the decision as next guy. I also believe that JMM was at his peak when they fought and Pacquiao was still improving, JMM at his peak is a monster skill wise. But I don't think JMM will win over Pacquiao now. Pacquiao has a lot more skill now added to his speed and power. However, Pacquiao will not accept this fight, there is no gain for him. If he losses, then people say redemption, if he wins, people say JMM got old. No WIN scenario there!
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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Hornfinger
floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
The thing is, when Pacquiao moved up in weight, everybody made up scenarios on how Pacquiao's opponents will fight against him, everybody seems to know what will happen. Because PACQIAOS BOXING SKILLS WAS SERIOUSLY UNDERRATED. Dela Hoya was too intelligent, Cotto is too big and can box, Margarito will smother him etc etc. But all of those guys reacted the same way, they fought less and ate punches.
By bringing up that scenario, you are underrating Manny's boxing skills once again. You can make excuses all you want on how his opponents were weight drained etc. But the fact remains that fighting against Manny changes his opponents strategy in the ring because of how irritatingly fast he is.
Manny is as good as Floyd when it comes to imposing his own tempo inside the ring. I'd give it a 50/50 not a shut out. Manny deserves more respect than that having humiliated thousands of "BOXING EXPERTS" in their analysis.
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Hornfinger
floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even
with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact
hes getting older and the fact
he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz
Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
Coming up with the excuses already even before they start their third negotiation?
Both of them have their own greatness and flaws, so
if they do fight, a lot of credit (with no excuses) should go to the victor.
Yes I'm coming up with excuses and thats why I think floyd will outbox pacquiao and make hime look like just another Floyd Mayweather opponant.
The selective reading powers of the Pac Fan are amusing to say the least.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
Pac has clearly improved However, I think the improvement is more down to Pac being allowed to fill into a more natural weight. He's coming into these fights with an optimum level of strength and is therefore able to apply himself better. There is less of the boiling down which probably sapped him somewhat towards the end of his spell at the lower weights. Pac is a natural JWW now and I doubt he could make 135 again without looking like a corpse.
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Pac has clearly improved However, I think the improvement is more down to Pac being allowed to fill into a more natural weight. He's coming into these fights with an optimum level of strength and is therefore able to apply himself better. There is less of the boiling down which probably sapped him somewhat towards the end of his spell at the lower weights. Pac is a natural JWW now and I doubt he could make 135 again without looking like a corpse.
In that case, and by that logic then...
It's a shame that none of pacs opponants have been at optimum strength level do to all the catch weights. ;)
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Pac has clearly improved However, I think the improvement is more down to Pac being allowed to fill into a more natural weight. He's coming into these fights with an optimum level of strength and is therefore able to apply himself better. There is less of the boiling down which probably sapped him somewhat towards the end of his spell at the lower weights. Pac is a natural JWW now and I doubt he could make 135 again without looking like a corpse.
In that case, and by that logic then...
It's a shame that none of pacs opponants have been at optimum strength level do to all the catch weights. ;)
Catchweights are a crock of shit. I agree, there is no need for them.
That's one thing that's pissing me off about tomorrows fight. Both guys want to fight for a MW title, then just stick to the weights which are already defined and are effective.
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miles
Pac has clearly improved However, I think the improvement is more down to Pac being allowed to fill into a more natural weight. He's coming into these fights with an optimum level of strength and is therefore able to apply himself better. There is less of the boiling down which probably sapped him somewhat towards the end of his spell at the lower weights. Pac is a natural JWW now and I doubt he could make 135 again without looking like a corpse.
In that case, and by that logic then...
It's a shame that none of pacs opponants have been at optimum strength level do to all the catch weights. ;)
Catchweights are a crock of shit. I agree, there is no need for them.
That's one thing that's pissing me off about tomorrows fight. Both guys want to fight for a MW title, then just stick to the weights which are already defined and are effective.
or they could fight for no belt at all. That way no matter who wins both are still champs at 154 and 160. That makes sense a "catch weight" fight between two champions in different weight classes, neither championship should be on the line.
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Dark Lord Al
yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs JMM was a mismatch and never should of happened, im fan of both fighters more so JMM. And it was a sad fight to see, and i don't really count that fight as it was total BS.
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Dark Lord Al
yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs JMM was a mismatch and never should of happened, im fan of both fighters more so JMM. And it was a sad fight to see, and i don't really count that fight as it was total BS.
Totally agree. Anyone who tries to defend that fight is demented. Sure, Pac did it (jumped weights) by going up to fight a weight drained Oscar. However, a much older Marquez was at 144 against a guy who wouldn't even make the weight. Most of us on here said it was a mismatch and it was. No weight should be given to that fight whatsoever (no pun intended).
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Dark Lord Al
yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs JMM was a mismatch and never should of happened, im fan of both fighters more so JMM. And it was a sad fight to see, and i don't really count that fight as it was total BS.
It was very intriguing fight to see at first. It just went BS when Floyd didn't make the scale at the weigh-in. And JMM showed up as bloated at fight night.
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floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
Mayweather is fighting differently, but I don't think there is any evidence that he is less mobile than he used to be, the last two fights were against guys where Floyd was able to stand his ground more, IMO that's the only reason he looked less mobile, when he needed to he was able to get away from Marquez and Mosley just fine. I do agree with the fact he would school Manny after about the 4th-5th round. The only thing I see now that could bother Floyd throughout a whole fight would be a very quick guy with a very good left jab all night long, and they would have to be applying pressure with it. Even that though you would probably get outjabbed by Floyd, and he would counter it so often it would take a ton of heart to keep it pumping.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.
Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.
And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.
I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.
i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.
But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.
Mayweather is fighting differently, but I don't think there is any evidence that he is less mobile than he used to be, the last two fights were against guys where Floyd was able to stand his ground more, IMO that's the only reason he looked less mobile, when he needed to he was able to get away from Marquez and Mosley just fine. I do agree with the fact he would school Manny after about the 4th-5th round. The only thing I see now that could bother Floyd throughout a whole fight would be a very quick guy with a very good left jab all night long, and they would have to be applying pressure with it. Even that though you would probably get outjabbed by Floyd, and he would counter it so often it would take a ton of heart to keep it pumping.
Floyd got brittle hands. That's a FACT - IT'S DOCUMENTED!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAIQBcpHpSs
That's the reason why he only averages 34 punches per round. He knows he can't hurt Pac.
Manny would be on him all night with relentless flurries.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
miles
Pac has clearly improved However, I think the improvement is more down to Pac being allowed to fill into a more natural weight. He's coming into these fights with an optimum level of strength and is therefore able to apply himself better. There is less of the boiling down which probably sapped him somewhat towards the end of his spell at the lower weights. Pac is a natural JWW now and I doubt he could make 135 again without looking like a corpse.
In that case, and by that logic then...
It's a shame that none of pacs opponants have been at optimum strength level do to all the catch weights. ;)
Yes....not to bright. "Same move every time, Right hook roll under". Somethings are just easy to say, but in really are very hard to do.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
of course pacquiao has improved since his second fight with marquez!!! if he's been fighting cleanly, it's incredible what he has done and might never be duplicated or passed. granted, he has been carefully matched up but still, what he has accomplished is unprecedented.
however, if he has been fighting dirty, someday the truth will come out. it always does, but right now, we've got to assume he's been fighting clean.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
There's only 1 real way of finding out...
Fight JMM a 4th time.
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Re: Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?
even though i thought marquez won both of his encounters with pacquiao, right now pacquiao takes him probably by KO. marquez is too damned old at 37 years old. it is clear he's on the down side of his career while pacquiao is in his absolute prime. a third fight should have happened when pacquiao was awarded a SD gift over marquez. now, i'm afraid it's too late!
