Has Pac improved since the JMM bouts?

[ICB]

Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.

That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.

JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.

JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.

Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.

But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.

Just rewatched it yesterday, and he clearly beat pac. Hard to see how he deals with Floyd.

Well i think he would catch Floyd Mayweather Jr, alot more than Floyd Mayweather Jr's been hit in quite sometime. Because of the southpaw style, penertrating the shoulder roll.

But i can see Floyd Mayweather Jr having a field day with his counter punching, Manny Pacquiao would be hit so often. And Floyd Mayweather Jr has underrated power.

But it would be a very intriguing fight to watch, the best offensive fighter of this decade vs the best defensive fighter of this decade.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Since the 1st fight obviously but i don't think there's any difference, between the Manny Pacquiao of the 2nd fight and the Manny Pacquiao now. Its just all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have been come forward fighters.

That isn't the way to beat Manny Pacquiao, you can't just try and overwhelm Manny Pacquiao with size and power. Because he will beat you to the punch all night long, and Manny Pacquiao's counter punching is underrated and he will eat you alive coming in.

JMM has the right blueprint, make Manny Pacquiao use his aggressive style against him.

JMM fought both versions of Manny Pacquiao, the one handed version. And the improved boxer version, and he was just as effective in the 2nd fight.

Right now Manny Pacquiao would win, because JMM can't move up in weight. And he's been showing his age bit more lately.

But both at there best and at a fair weight, JMM troubles Manny Pacquiao just as much as he always done. But i thought Manny Pacquiao was at his best in his 2nd fight, and just for the record i feel JMM won both fights.

Just rewatched it yesterday, and he clearly beat pac. Hard to see how he deals with Floyd.

Well i think he would catch Floyd Mayweather Jr, alot more than Floyd Mayweather Jr's been hit in quite sometime. Because of the southpaw style, penertrating the shoulder roll.

But i can see Floyd Mayweather Jr having a field day with his counter punching, Manny Pacquiao would be hit so often. And Floyd Mayweather Jr has underrated power.

But it would be a very intriguing fight to watch, the best offensive fighter of this decade vs the best defensive fighter of this decade.

Floyd would only use the shoulder after he got Manny's timing down. He'd stick straight rights into Manny's face and roll away before sitting in the pocket. But then I thought he'd run from Mosley because I thought Shane would show up, not the old man that did.

Boxing is a funny sport and I'm making no more definitive picks in regards to "megafights"

[Hornfinger]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

[ICB]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

[Hornfinger]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

Coming up with the excuses already even before they start their third negotiation?

Both of them have their own greatness and flaws, so if they do fight, a lot of credit (with no excuses) should go to the victor.

[generalbulldog]

The excuses for both fighters will be out there if 1 of them loses, that is a guarantee.

If Pac loses it's because he was worn down from fighting all those bigger guys and that Mayweather was bigger than him.

If Floyd loses, it's because he was so inactive, less mobile and he was going downhill (see hornfinger's post)

[Hornfinger]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

Coming up with the excuses already even before they start their third negotiation?

Both of them have their own greatness and flaws, so if they do fight, a lot of credit (with no excuses) should go to the victor.

Yes I'm coming up with excuses and thats why I think floyd will outbox pacquiao and make hime look like just another Floyd Mayweather opponant.

The selective reading powers of the Pac Fan are amusing to say the least.

[titleist905t]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

The thing is, when Pacquiao moved up in weight, everybody made up scenarios on how Pacquiao's opponents will fight against him, everybody seems to know what will happen. Because PACQIAOS BOXING SKILLS WAS SERIOUSLY UNDERRATED. Dela Hoya was too intelligent, Cotto is too big and can box, Margarito will smother him etc etc. But all of those guys reacted the same way, they fought less and ate punches.

By bringing up that scenario, you are underrating Manny's boxing skills once again. You can make excuses all you want on how his opponents were weight drained etc. But the fact remains that fighting against Manny changes his opponents strategy in the ring because of how irritatingly fast he is.

Manny is as good as Floyd when it comes to imposing his own tempo inside the ring. I'd give it a 50/50 not a shut out. Manny deserves more respect than that having humiliated thousands of "BOXING EXPERTS" in their analysis.

[Taeth]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

Mayweather is fighting differently, but I don't think there is any evidence that he is less mobile than he used to be, the last two fights were against guys where Floyd was able to stand his ground more, IMO that's the only reason he looked less mobile, when he needed to he was able to get away from Marquez and Mosley just fine. I do agree with the fact he would school Manny after about the 4th-5th round. The only thing I see now that could bother Floyd throughout a whole fight would be a very quick guy with a very good left jab all night long, and they would have to be applying pressure with it. Even that though you would probably get outjabbed by Floyd, and he would counter it so often it would take a ton of heart to keep it pumping.

[:::PSL:::]

floyd would fight going backwards for 6 rounds and let manny walk on to shots especially the straight right lead. From round 7 onwards he'd then up his work rate and start landing the big shots and go on to win by a wide UD. He does it in most fights and I don't see a fight with pacquiao being any different.

Because Manny Pacquiao is special, and Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone as good as Manny Pacquiao. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao, well actually scratch that JMM is special at below Lightweight.

And because the only fighters they can lose to at the moment, is eachother which is why its so intriguing. Shame it won't happen though.

I don't think so. You see I would not be shocked one little bit if floyd domintated pacquiao from abut round 4 onwards. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. too many times I thought 'this'll be the fight where Floyd slips up', and he ends up doing a demolition job.

i'm at the point now where I don't care what happens. I'm that convinced Pac would get schooled. Even with Mayweather's time out of the ring, the fact hes getting older and the fact he has been les mobile in his last few fights.

But as I've said in a previous thread pac would have the best chance of beating Floyd, mainly cuz Floyd could be coming off his peak now.

Mayweather is fighting differently, but I don't think there is any evidence that he is less mobile than he used to be, the last two fights were against guys where Floyd was able to stand his ground more, IMO that's the only reason he looked less mobile, when he needed to he was able to get away from Marquez and Mosley just fine. I do agree with the fact he would school Manny after about the 4th-5th round. The only thing I see now that could bother Floyd throughout a whole fight would be a very quick guy with a very good left jab all night long, and they would have to be applying pressure with it. Even that though you would probably get outjabbed by Floyd, and he would counter it so often it would take a ton of heart to keep it pumping.

Floyd got brittle hands. That's a FACT - IT'S DOCUMENTED!!!



That's the reason why he only averages 34 punches per round. He knows he can't hurt Pac.

Manny would be on him all night with relentless flurries.

[Dark Lord Al]

yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.

[titleist905t]

I too believe that JMM won the 2nd fight. I was surprised with the decision as next guy. I also believe that JMM was at his peak when they fought and Pacquiao was still improving, JMM at his peak is a monster skill wise. But I don't think JMM will win over Pacquiao now. Pacquiao has a lot more skill now added to his speed and power. However, Pacquiao will not accept this fight, there is no gain for him. If he losses, then people say redemption, if he wins, people say JMM got old. No WIN scenario there!

[ICB]

yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs JMM was a mismatch and never should of happened, im fan of both fighters more so JMM. And it was a sad fight to see, and i don't really count that fight as it was total BS.

[Gandalf]

yes of course pac has improved , but lets remember one thing , styles make fights.
MAYWEATHER HAS STRUGGLED TO LOOK GOOD AGAINST FIGHTERS PAC WOULD BEAT EASIER , AND MAYWEATHER EASILY BEAT JMM.

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs JMM was a mismatch and never should of happened, im fan of both fighters more so JMM. And it was a sad fight to see, and i don't really count that fight as it was total BS.

Totally agree. Anyone who tries to defend that fight is demented. Sure, Pac did it (jumped weights) by going up to fight a weight drained Oscar. However, a much older Marquez was at 144 against a guy who wouldn't even make the weight. Most of us on here said it was a mismatch and it was. No weight should be given to that fight whatsoever (no pun intended).