He got destroyed by awesome Marvilla I still consider him elite however I mean Duran got starched in two it's how he comes back.
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He got destroyed by awesome Marvilla I still consider him elite however I mean Duran got starched in two it's how he comes back.
agreed!
Definitely. He's still an elite fighter, probably still top 10 P4P, he just got caught with an excellent punch. I think he'll come back strong.
No way he is top ten p4p, get him back in there with Cintron that fight looked like it was going to be close, I think Pac would beat him. His skills are very basic and he relys on his courage,Workrate and stamina he gets beat by the very best.
He is world class but elite not for me.
I thought Cintron was going to spark him in the first fight and I'd make the same prediction if they met again. It's just a bad matchup for Williams IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
He says so long to p4p. Big question is has pandoras box been opened on his chin which has been looking less and less reliable. After that he has his awesome volume left.....maybe I'm off but I think he's on the other side of it!
As people have said in other threads, Paul needs to learn how to really box and use his height and reach advantages, too much reliance on workrate.
Still a very good fighter though, just needs to work out some of the flaws.
I think these guys who use there faces as there defense like Williams and Froch will eventully get knocked out like Martinez proved, don't matter how could your chin is if you rely on this all these years you are more than likely gonna come unstuck, I would not be surprised if we have a similar finish in the Froch/AA fight next week but maybe a little later in the fight.
Well he could reinvent himself and start using his height and reach to his advantage, jab the crap out of his opponent .If he fought like this sure he wouldn't be as exciting but his chin wouldn't get tested as often as it does. I think his balls are just to big for his own good though and eventually in every fight will resort to just slugging it out, so hopefully his chin is just dented and not shattered.
Williams build looks like he won't have a good chin so I am not surprised but with that reach work rate and i'll fight anyone attitude I expect him back at the top soon.
I like Williams, he just needs to learn how to use his physical attributes better, and learn some defence. He can still fight his way back up the P4P list though, doubt he's still top 10 as that was a pretty devastating loss.
Yes he is; but the up and down in weight is not good so I hope he finds a weight class that he is comfortable with and sticks with it. And I think he should stay away from power punching southpaws because he gets caught with the left quite often see also the 1st Quintana fight. 154 is a good weight for him and he should fight a few tuneups to see where he is at mentally after that ko. Anthony Mundine or Sergio Mora would be a great place to start over.
If there is a boxing God he bounces back against Mora,traps him in a corner and goes brutal windmill on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
This is an excellent thread.....just a shame it's at all necessary. Anyone and that means anyone can get laid out same as p will did yesterday. Peoples overfacination and concern with fighters that are undefeated is one of the main things keeping good match ups from happening. It's all too common for people the hype a guy, watch his 24/7's, go on and on online how he'll do this and that. Just to have thier fighter loose then all of the sudden he's past his prime, old, washed up etc less than 24 hours from when people were layin hard earned money on the guy. Williams is still bad ass, i doubt too many people will still jump at the chance to fight the guy.
The way he destroyed Winky was just unforgettable.
There you have it in a nutshell...if I was Paul Williams I'd be putting calls in to Freddy Roach and Manny Steward...though I think even the likes of Joe Goosen, Ronnie Shields, and maybe even Tommy Brooks could help him out a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
If Paul just used his natural abilities and was more technically sound then I don't really see many fighters that could beat him. He's got a crowd pleasing style, but that's what it gets you sometimes
Honestly, Paul Williams needs one thing: Emmanuel Stewart. He's a top athlete, he has all the tools but the best one out there for his attributes is Manny, Williams is exactly the kind of fighters he likes: tall, lanky with a long range. That's all he needs.
Granted, but Manny is working with Cotto and Andy Lee...it might be too much for him to add in Williams with that group, but he has the physical traits of a Manny Steward fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Course he's world class. Always has been. A KO loss happens to many fighters.
He'll get up, dust himself off, learn from his mistake, and kick ass again.
Pretty much what he does when he loses, he learns his mistake, and then doesn't make it in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
beating Paul Williams could be the worst thing for his opponent to do if there is a rematch.
But I'm sure Martinez is smart enough to know that Williams isn't going to leave himself that open again. So he won't be searching for a knockout in that match.
Martinez can box and obviously PW can't, I doubt he'll have a hard time finding an opponent for his next fight. He needs to polish his game up.....a lot!
It's amazing how much he improved after the Margo lost...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lkr...eature=related
Nothing against Williams but really the blue prints out....he is far too long in the tooth,fight wise and learned style wise to suddenly find some Hearns formula for his frame and reach. He is where he is going as a fighter I believe.I think Martinez gets him again if they went trilogy.
I'm not so certain....I mean he's had a lot of fights but he could adjust his style a touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Hope he does. Its always baffled me how willingly he gives up natural gifts,range....falls over himself. If he fights like he did vs Margarito it'll suit him well..one of his better displays w/ complete tall package.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm not so certain....I mean he's had a lot of fights but he could adjust his style a touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
"Nothing against Williams but really the blue prints out....he is far too long in the tooth,fight wise and learned style wise to suddenly find some Hearns formula for his frame and reach. He is where he is going as a fighter I believe.I think Martinez gets him again if they went trilogy."
Dude's got two loses and we want to write him off... back in the day dudes would have 2 loses in a month and then go on to be champ next year. It was a one shot ko from a punch he never saw coming so it doesn't even mean his chin is necessarily dented he just needs to stop leaving it that exposed which really shouldn't be that hard of a task. As for completely changing his style that probably won't happen but just keep a closer guard. He didn't take a beating in this fight so just take an easy fight out next time and then get right back in the mix of things.
The blueprint is that Williams has nil for defense as he was caught with 4 flush fight enders prior to bomb. He counts on volume and pressure as total package & when your face starts running into frequent fists you encounter problems. Being timed and countered with left hooks resulting in nose dives to the canvas as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
Duran who had gone prior 15 with Hagler will never be confused with Williams. And he had more to fall back on as far as skill. Khan...um ok :-X
He's not changing his style and suddenly fighting his frame right now this late. He's too entrenched in what has gotten him to this level and high visability matches. Time for insurance policy and right style training has passed I believe.
Yes but you'd have to be expecting him to leave himself as badly wide open as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThe blueprint is that Williams has nil for defense as he was caught with 4 flush fight enders prior to bomb. He counts on volume and pressure as total package & when your face starts running into frequent fists you encounter problems. Being timed and countered with left hooks resulting in nose dives to the canvas as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
Duran who had gone prior 15 with Hagler will never be confused with Williams. And he had more to fall back on as far as skill. Khan...um ok :-X
If the blueprint is just waiting on that shot to come a lot of people are going to be unsuccessful with that. If you want a fight for a blueprint look at the first Quintana fight.
But it's not like it really worked the second time around.
There is no real "formula" for beating Williams, it's all about taking what he gives you. And what he gave Martinez was all Martinez needed to knock him out. But it was far from the blueprint to beating Williams.
For fans sake I hope he can keep swinging....but he tried to Quintana Martinez in the first round Sat and a bigger,sharper, calmer boxer exploited his gaps badly. It was not a fluke shot but more so culmination against top tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyYes but you'd have to be expecting him to leave himself as badly wide open as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThe blueprint is that Williams has nil for defense as he was caught with 4 flush fight enders prior to bomb. He counts on volume and pressure as total package & when your face starts running into frequent fists you encounter problems. Being timed and countered with left hooks resulting in nose dives to the canvas as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
Duran who had gone prior 15 with Hagler will never be confused with Williams. And he had more to fall back on as far as skill. Khan...um ok :-X
If the blueprint is just waiting on that shot to come a lot of people are going to be unsuccessful with that. If you want a fight for a blueprint look at the first Quintana fight.
But it's not like it really worked the second time around.
There is no real "formula" for beating Williams, it's all about taking what he gives you. And what he gave Martinez was all Martinez needed to knock him out. But it was far from the blueprint to beating Williams.
While i think Williams can still be a force...it will be interesting to see how he comes back from such a brutal knockout. When you get KOed like that, it can leave lingering effects not only physically but also mentally. He has the physical tools to be a much more effective boxer. He doesn't need to rely on high work rate. If he can utilize his length and jab better...he actually will be a more daunting fighter.
I gotta love Williams man. But I'm gonna go all out and say he'll be haunted by that KO for a long time. Especially after Kellerman had him watch the slow mo live on air. What did he expect Paul to say.
I hope he bounces back with a couple of easy wins, maybe the first win could be against Max Kellerman.
Anyone would be cagey in a comeback after a knockout like that.
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Originally Posted by armin
It was a big knockout, but Williams has more in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
There is no question that he is not world class.
He got caught by a bomb, it happens ...... he went out of there like a real fighter.
At least he landed more than one punch in the whole fight, and came to win.
did you guys seem him after the fight? he was like it happens in box pretty level headed, not sure how tore up he was in reality.
That was the rematch :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyPretty much what he does when he loses, he learns his mistake, and then doesn't make it in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
beating Paul Williams could be the worst thing for his opponent to do if there is a rematch.
But I'm sure Martinez is smart enough to know that Williams isn't going to leave himself that open again. So he won't be searching for a knockout in that match.
Also I don't get this Williams is some beast in rematches, come on we need more proof than one rematch in his whole career prior to saturday.
I dunno but he tasted that brutal ko hit like in chin/ jaw area few fighters able to bounce back ounce they had, well we will see.
True ...... but Roberto Duran and lennox Lewis amongst others didnt do too bad after they were iced?Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPH