Kenny Bayless is my favorite ref but....

I think he should of gave Katsidis a standing 8 count before he stopped the fight. Knowing we had two warriors in there, I just dont think a fight should be stopped like that. JMM did land a lot of unanswered punches but Kat got on his bike and even began throwing back when the stoppage occured.

I think JMM would of won anyways but Kat prove he had enough power to drop JMM. I thought JMM was more hurt then ever from that hook of Kat. That is why I believe as long as Kat was standing he had a chance. Despite being dominated in the last round I didnt even think Kat would look that good against JMM.

Credit to JMM though - the guy is a tough shell to crack.

IMO, it was a good stoppage.

Bayless demonstrated how truly dumb Lawrence Cole is.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I think he should of gave Katsidis a standing 8 count before he stopped the fight. Knowing we had two warriors in there, I just dont think a fight should be stopped like that. JMM did land a lot of unanswered punches but Kat got on his bike and even began throwing back when the stoppage occured.

I think JMM would of won anyways but Kat prove he had enough power to drop JMM. I thought JMM was more hurt then ever from that hook of Kat. That is why I believe as long as Kat was standing he had a chance. Despite being dominated in the last round I didnt even think Kat would look that good against JMM.

Credit to JMM though - the guy is a tough shell to crack.

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I agree. Bayless IS a very good ref, but IMO he kinda dropped the ball last night. The stoppage came without warning, and Katsidis deserved better. A standing 8-count wouldn't necessarily have changed the outcome, but it would've given Katsidis fair warning that the stoppage was coming.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

IMO, it was a good stoppage.

Bayless demonstrated how truly dumb Lawrence Cole is.

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I had that in mind and thought maybe Kenny was setting an example of when a fighter should be pulled out. However, this was nothing close to the Dallas match. Kat deserved an 8 count IMO.

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I think he should of gave Katsidis a standing 8 count before he stopped the fight. Knowing we had two warriors in there, I just dont think a fight should be stopped like that. JMM did land a lot of unanswered punches but Kat got on his bike and even began throwing back when the stoppage occured.

I think JMM would of won anyways but Kat prove he had enough power to drop JMM. I thought JMM was more hurt then ever from that hook of Kat. That is why I believe as long as Kat was standing he had a chance. Despite being dominated in the last round I didnt even think Kat would look that good against JMM.

Credit to JMM though - the guy is a tough shell to crack.

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I agree. Bayless IS a very good ref, but IMO he kinda dropped the ball last night. The stoppage came without warning, and Katsidis deserved better. A standing 8-count wouldn't necessarily have changed the outcome, but it would've given Katsidis fair warning that the stoppage was coming.

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exactly.

I think it's a good stoppage. When you take numerous straight shots in the head and have it rocked back and forth, it's time to stop the fight.

There is no standing 8 count in pro boxing (maybe some backward US state rules). If Bayliss did that he should be sacked.

I'm not sure about it really. He took a lot of unanswered punches to the head earlier in the round and you could see the ref taking a good at him. He could have stopped it when the shots were landing flush and nothing was coming back, but stopping it at the time he did seems a little strange as Katsidis had got on his bike to get his legs back under him, and he was starting to throw some shots back. He wasn't ducking and slipping the shots like he was in the earlier rounds, and the longer it went on the more punishment he would have taken, so it was better to stop it when he did and prevent any more power shots landing.

JMM looked great though, landing crisp counters and combinations, didn't look his 37 years out there. Katsidis also looked a lot better than I thought he would, it was a real back and forth fight. We were treated to a really great battle between 2 warriors, although my enjoyment was lessened by the fact I watched in on a spanish stream :-\ Credit to both guys for serving up such an entertaining fight

I just re-watched it and my first impression was it was a poor stoppage. After rematching it, I am sure Bayless was looking for a break in the action to stop the fight. He stepped in when Katsidis was the aggressor and regained his legs. I was right that Katsidis hit Marquez with a decent short left backed up Marquez and that is when Bayless stepped in.

I think it was a poor stoppage because it was obvious he was thinking about the political side of the fight, rather than the fight itself.

No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

i thought it was a good stoppage, Katsidis was taking full blown accurate shots to the head and not throwing back, just watch how on top of it Bayless was, i mean he almost jumped in like 3 times in the 9th, and was close to stopping it in the 8th, Katsidis has nothing to be ashamed of, he went in there and fought like a warrior even dropping Marquez and pushing him to the limit, i'm pretty sure he made his brother proud, and honestly apart from Marquez i actually thing Katsidis beats Soto, Guerrero, and pretty much anyone else not named Marquez at 135, too strong and it was quite clear that he's improved since his losses to Casamayor and Diaz, Marquez is a first ballot hall of famer and honestly i hold him in the same light as Hopkins, what i mean by that is right when you think the guy might be slipping he puts on a superb performance against a younger willing and able opponent, no one beats him at 135 and Brandon Rios better just tuck tail and avoid him if he doesn't want his career ruined

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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What the hell are you talking about? Do you hate Pacquiao that much that you have to reach for a argument with Pacquiao fans? This fight had nothing to do with Pacquiao fans. It's Marquez fans, Kadsidis fans and fans of boxing. Why would those casual Pacquiao fans even watch this fight?

I was definitely a Marquez fan in this one, and he beat the crap out of Katsidis and Marquez won me $20. (I should have bet more) My wife's cousin and her husband were over for the fight, and He is a huge Katsidis fan. They are from Moree which is just North of Sydney. He was screaming at Merchant for his comments. My other family members watch with us also thought the fight was stopped too soon.

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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What the hell are you talking about? Do you hate Pacquiao that much that you have to reach for a argument with Pacquiao fans? This fight had nothing to do with Pacquiao fans. It's Marquez fans, Kadsidis fans and fans of boxing. Why would those casual Pacquiao fans even watch this fight?

I was definitely a Marquez fan in this one, and he beat the crap out of Katsidis and Marquez won me $20. (I should have bet more) My wife's cousin and her husband were over for the fight, and He is a huge Katsidis fan. They are from Moree which is just North of Sydney. He was screaming at Merchant for his comments. My other family members watch with us also thought the fight was stopped too soon.

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I actually defended Pacquiao a few times on this board about the A-side meth accusations, thinking it's bullshit. So I'm not a Pacquiao hater by any means. All I know is that the die hard Pacquiao fans on this board and other boards all have 1 thing in common and that is that this fight is a early/bad/shady stoppage, thinking that somehow or someway Katsidis comes back to beat Marquez if it wasn't for that "dubious" stoppage. Ridiculous. I know JMM gave Pac hell for his fights and is seen as 1 of his main rivals, but come on at least be a boxing fan and come with some objectivity.

But then again, a lot of the Pacquiao fans get a bad rap and I can see why, for they have almost no knowledge on the sport and only knows 1 fighter. Just calling it how I see it.

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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Very logical - stopping the fight is protecting JMM right? Or wouldn't it make pac look bad if Katsidis does something pac couldn't do?

WTF are you smoking man :confused:

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i thought it was a good stoppage, Katsidis was taking full blown accurate shots to the head and not throwing back, just watch how on top of it Bayless was, i mean he almost jumped in like 3 times in the 9th, and was close to stopping it in the 8th, Katsidis has nothing to be ashamed of, he went in there and fought like a warrior even dropping Marquez and pushing him to the limit, i'm pretty sure he made his brother proud, and honestly apart from Marquez i actually thing Katsidis beats Soto, Guerrero, and pretty much anyone else not named Marquez at 135, too strong and it was quite clear that he's improved since his losses to Casamayor and Diaz, Marquez is a first ballot hall of famer and honestly i hold him in the same light as Hopkins, what i mean by that is right when you think the guy might be slipping he puts on a superb performance against a younger willing and able opponent, no one beats him at 135 and Brandon Rios better just tuck tail and avoid him if he doesn't want his career ruined

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Bro, Brandon Rios is a HUGE lightweight, at the Pac-Marg undercard he came in the ring weighing 157 lbs. at fight night. I think He is one of those guys that drain themselves to fit in a weightclass to have that physical advantage at fight night. Like Vic Ortiz, Brandon Rios I think should be fighting as welterweights as of the moment.

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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Hey now. C'mon dude :)

I said it was a good stoppage. Read my first post of this thread.

I see both sides' point though. Kats wasn't punching when JMM busy rearranging his face. But if my memory serves me right, wasn't JML doing the same thing with Concepcion right before JML got knocked down?

bayless did the right thing in stopping the fight when he did. katsidis, bless his heart, was out on his feet. and his body language didn't look very good. if any of you will remember when jesus chavez KO's that guy johnson a few years ago. johnson was seriously hurt but because of his warrior mentality, he never quit. he died because the referee was too dumb to stop the fight.

There isn't a standing 8 count in professional boxing.

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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Hey now. C'mon dude :)

I said it was a good stoppage. Read my first post of this thread.

I see both sides' point though. Kats wasn't punching when JMM busy rearranging his face. But if my memory serves me right, wasn't JML doing the same thing with Concepcion right before JML got knocked down?

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You're a good die hard Pac fan, know the sport well overall. So not talking about you.;D

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No offense, but the only ones that thinks it's a poor stoppage seems to be die hard Pacquiao fans. HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:-X

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Hey now. C'mon dude :)

I said it was a good stoppage. Read my first post of this thread.

I see both sides' point though. Kats wasn't punching when JMM busy rearranging his face. But if my memory serves me right, wasn't JML doing the same thing with Concepcion right before JML got knocked down?

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You're a good die hard Pac fan, know the sport well overall. So not talking about you.;D

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I hear ya :D

I disagree, Katsidis threw two punches in the last minute of the fight while taking pleny of punishment. Good stoppage.

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i thought it was a good stoppage, Katsidis was taking full blown accurate shots to the head and not throwing back, just watch how on top of it Bayless was, i mean he almost jumped in like 3 times in the 9th, and was close to stopping it in the 8th, Katsidis has nothing to be ashamed of, he went in there and fought like a warrior even dropping Marquez and pushing him to the limit, i'm pretty sure he made his brother proud, and honestly apart from Marquez i actually thing Katsidis beats Soto, Guerrero, and pretty much anyone else not named Marquez at 135, too strong and it was quite clear that he's improved since his losses to Casamayor and Diaz, Marquez is a first ballot hall of famer and honestly i hold him in the same light as Hopkins, what i mean by that is right when you think the guy might be slipping he puts on a superb performance against a younger willing and able opponent, no one beats him at 135 and Brandon Rios better just tuck tail and avoid him if he doesn't want his career ruined

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Bro, Brandon Rios is a HUGE lightweight, at the Pac-Marg undercard he came in the ring weighing 157 lbs. at fight night. I think He is one of those guys that drain themselves to fit in a weightclass to have that physical advantage at fight night. Like Vic Ortiz, Brandon Rios I think should be fighting as welterweights as of the moment.

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i just think Marquez counter's him all night

I just rewatched the fight and the stopagge should have come 5 seconds earlier if he was stopping it because it seemed like kats had weathered the storm and actually landed a punch on jmm right prior. However, still can't really say it's a bad stoppage because jmm was going to most likely finish the job sooner or later and I'd rather see a somewhat premature stoppage than a fighter hurt. Kats doesn't ever seem to go down when he's in real trouble, twice now he's been stopped on his feet, would have been smart to just take a knee perhaps and regain his bearings fully.

I haven't rewatched it yet, but i thought it was a good stoppage. Michael Katsidis got beat up for atleast 50 seconds without throwing back.

I thought good stoppage too. The outcome wouldn't have changed at all if it had gone on other than to remove the T off the KO.

Marquez had already got up from the best KAt had thrown at him ,that wasnt going to happen again at that stage; Jms chin was the same, Kat wasnt the same at that stage.

I can understand how some of you think Katsidis should have gotten a standing 8 before the stoppage but in truth Katsidis was just going to absorb more brutal combinations...His only chance was a money shot from no where...In truth more refs should take such initiative....Katsidis has nothing to be ashamed of and he fought like a true warrior.


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I truly made a mistake and used General Bulldogs name because I had replied to a post he had made when it was Milmascaras post I was actually reading and meant to reply to....SO GEN BULLDOG I REALLY AM SORRY FOR SUCH A BONEHEAD MOVE

Standing 8? Fucking idiot. The stoppage was fine. On point. Katsidis threw like what 2 punches that whole round? He was taking to many flush shots. At least 3 times his head snapped back violently. He was done. The fight in itself was one-sided. Except for 15 seconds in round 3 Marquez dominated the fight. Bayless is an outstanding referee. He made the right call. That fight goes any longer and Michael is hanging with his brother.

the reason why it was over for katsidis and he had no hope of even landing a haymaker in that last round was because marquez had taken his legs away by attacking his body so violently in the earlier rounds. not to mention his face was busted up by marquez' crisp combinations. you could tell by the 7th round or so, katsidis' punches had nothing on them because of marquez' body attack.

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Standing 8? Fucking idiot. The stoppage was fine. On point. Katsidis threw like what 2 punches that whole round? He was taking to many flush shots. At least 3 times his head snapped back violently. He was done. The fight in itself was one-sided. Except for 15 seconds in round 3 Marquez dominated the fight. Bayless is an outstanding referee. He made the right call. That fight goes any longer and Michael is hanging with his brother.

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I said I can see how some think...Read the post correct before you start calling names asshole...Save that for the guys who actually think you are a tough gangster...Douche Bag

Kenny Bayless is still my favorite ref, he is just on top of the action.
He doesn't mind getting a little close, but knows when to back up.
He also doesn't mind giving "hard" warnings like he did against Shane in the 8th round against Mayweather.

just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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Standing 8 or the ref taking time to check and see if the fighter is OK by taking a look at him giving a lull in the action is the same fucking thing...Just because they don't have the actual standing 8 rule (And that is not true either because some smaller sanctioning bodies still alloow it do some research before opening your mouth) they are still getting a break that amounts to the same thing....Either way don't call me a fucking idiot and think thats OK and your cool because your not....

But I guess they don't stop and check the fighters either anymore? You have never seen a fight where the ref stops for a minute to look at the fighter if he is taking a beating even if there is no cut to ask a question or look in his eyes....And it usually ends up being more then a hell of a lot more then 8 seconds

daxxx,

where did i call you a fucking idiot? i didn't but i will now, you're a fucking idiot. there, i said it. you know very little about boxing. if it weren't for pacquiao, you'd still be a big fan of the PBA. lol......

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daxxx,

where did i call you a fucking idiot? i didn't but i will now, you're a fucking idiot. there, i said it. you know very little about boxing. if it weren't for pacquiao, you'd still be a big fan of the PBA. lol......

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Well shows how smart you are because I was speaking about the post that VD made refering to me as a Fucking Idiot I never said you called me one....So who is the idiot now?.....

Do even you honestly think the PBA and Pacquiao joke was actually funny? Even if you did was it funny enough you had to add your own lol?....Seriously now....And when have you seen me post about being a big Pacquiao fan?....Wouldn't my Avatar have him in it not Bute?.......Get with it kid....Take your Hypo active meds your starting to fall apart

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I can understand how some of you think Katsidis should have gotten a standing 8 before the stoppage but in truth Katsidis was just going to absorb more brutal combinations...His only chance was a money shot from no where...In truth more refs should take such initiative....Katsidis has nothing to be ashamed of and he fought like a true warrior.


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Because of the dis-satisfaction of Violent Demise because I used the term standing 8 instead of saying "I can understand how some people think Bayless should have taken time to check Katsidis to see if he was still able to continue before stopping it"....I truly apologize for it....GeneralBulldog in all his boxing wisdom (Well thats believable if you don't go back and read the history of his post" pointed out in such a gentlemen like manner about my not having any boxing knowledge because I used a term about a rule that does not exist in the unified rules anymore loosely not meant to be actuality....I want to thank them both for all their wisdom....I want to thank VD (A name given to him by those hoes he handles I am sure) and The Bullmiester for setting me straight.


In their honor I will now and forever refer to dirty public restrooms Vd's and Bulldogs!!!

Thanks you top notch fellows now I can sleep at night knowing you will always be there to set me straight..


As for anyone else who may be new to being a fan of boxing or to these boards please in the future pay no mind to anything I post because it is more then likely wrong and I would not want you to be called Fucking Idiot or be mocked by GB because of anything I posted.

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I don't know wtf you're talking about since none of my posts for months now has been directed at you.

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just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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Is this not about me? If not my deepest apologies....Beofre I do that though I would like to know the other Daxx

I am not getting into a pissing match but truth is and what is posted does not lie..,..VD called me a Fucking Idiot then you made a smarass comment so I made a smartass comment back to both of you....Your post hinted I know nothing about boxing and VD well just called me names so....1. Calling me names actually I should say cursing towards me like I am some second rate kid that he grabs money off of at the local JHS during lunch then runs before they can use the order of protection filed against him to their benefit becauser calling me names I can care less about but that was just flat out disrespectful and no need for it because I have not treated him in that way but he is what he is and nothing anyone but his Juvie officer can do to help change that...

You just made a smart assed comment because you felt the need to jump on the bandwagon and make a funny.....

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just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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Is this not about me? If not my deepest apologies....Beofre I do that though I would like to know the other Daxx

I am not getting into a pissing match but truth is and what is posted does not lie..,..VD called me a Fucking Idiot then you made a smarass comment so I made a smartass comment back to both of you....Your post hinted I know nothing about boxing and VD well just called me names so....1. Calling me names actually I should say cursing towards me like I am some second rate kid that he grabs money off of at the local JHS during lunch then runs before they can use the order of protection filed against him to their benefit becauser calling me names I can care less about but that was just flat out disrespectful and no need for it because I have not treated him in that way but he is what he is and nothing anyone but his Juvie officer can do to help change that...

You just made a smart assed comment because you felt the need to jump on the bandwagon and make a funny.....

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Ummm daxx sorry to butt in but generalbulldog and milmascaras1 are two completely different individuals. generalbulldog seems like a nice chap based on his posts. milmascaras1 though, well I can't say much about him in a positive sense. don't take him seriously though. it's his nature to be a clown of sorts. Just trying to clear things up. ;)

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just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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Is this not about me? If not my deepest apologies....Beofre I do that though I would like to know the other Daxx

I am not getting into a pissing match but truth is and what is posted does not lie..,..VD called me a Fucking Idiot then you made a smarass comment so I made a smartass comment back to both of you....Your post hinted I know nothing about boxing and VD well just called me names so....1. Calling me names actually I should say cursing towards me like I am some second rate kid that he grabs money off of at the local JHS during lunch then runs before they can use the order of protection filed against him to their benefit becauser calling me names I can care less about but that was just flat out disrespectful and no need for it because I have not treated him in that way but he is what he is and nothing anyone but his Juvie officer can do to help change that...

You just made a smart assed comment because you felt the need to jump on the bandwagon and make a funny.....

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Ummm daxx sorry to butt in but generalbulldog and milmascaras1 are two completely different individuals. generalbulldog seems like a nice chap based on his posts. milmascaras1 though, well I can't say much about him in a positive sense. don't take him seriously though. it's his nature to be a clown of sorts. Just trying to clear things up. ;)

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UMMMM You are right and I fucked up looking at one post then clicking reply under another!!!.....SOOOOOO I nominate myself for forum screwup of the year.....And Yes GB is a pretty decent bloke....

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I think he should of gave Katsidis a standing 8 count before he stopped the fight .

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I dont believe there is a standing 8 count in LV

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daxxx,

where did i call you a fucking idiot? i didn't but i will now, you're a fucking idiot. there, i said it. you know very little about boxing. if it weren't for pacquiao, you'd still be a big fan of the PBA. lol......

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Bite your tongue.

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just goes to show how much guys like daxxxkhan know about boxing. standing 8 count? :o lol

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Is this not about me? If not my deepest apologies....Beofre I do that though I would like to know the other Daxx

I am not getting into a pissing match but truth is and what is posted does not lie..,..VD called me a Fucking Idiot then you made a smarass comment so I made a smartass comment back to both of you....Your post hinted I know nothing about boxing and VD well just called me names so....1. Calling me names actually I should say cursing towards me like I am some second rate kid that he grabs money off of at the local JHS during lunch then runs before they can use the order of protection filed against him to their benefit becauser calling me names I can care less about but that was just flat out disrespectful and no need for it because I have not treated him in that way but he is what he is and nothing anyone but his Juvie officer can do to help change that...

You just made a smart assed comment because you felt the need to jump on the bandwagon and make a funny.....

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Now you know I ain't got no problem calling you names. And vise versa. We done it many times through out the years. But there's a reason I didn't quote you Daxx. Cuz I actually wasn't talking about you. I was actually referring to the idiot who first mentioned the Standing 8. Which wasn't you. You just happened to agree with him (which well we'll just leave that alone for your sake. I'm sure it was just a typo on your part) and happened to post right before I did. That's pretty much it. It was a simple coincidence this time. Anyway just wanted to clear that up right quick. Carry on.