Just heard that on German TV he announced he will no longer be taking part in the super 6 tourney. Anyone able to confirm this? before I start to call him a little bitch.
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Just heard that on German TV he announced he will no longer be taking part in the super 6 tourney. Anyone able to confirm this? before I start to call him a little bitch.
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That would mean there are only 3 origonal super 6 fighters left now wouldn't it?
The whole thing has become a disaster.
I would hardly call it a disaster, especially for the fans. It made some of the better fighers get in the ring and fight. I wish all weight divisions would have a tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
nope it would only be 2, Froch and WardQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
it started out
Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell
Carl Froch
Arthur Abraham
Mikel Kessler
Jermain Taylor
first Taylor resigned, then they brought in Green, then Kessler pulled out and they brought in Johnson, then Dirrell bitched out and they left it at 5, if Abraham really has pulled out then it's only the Super 4, 2 of the guys having been in the tourney from the beginning, overall i'd say it's been a pretty big letdown
Behave. On paper it was a good idea. The execution hasn't worked. and to be fair that's been down to fighters pulling out for one reason or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterI would hardly call it a disaster, especially for the fans. It made some of the better fighers get in the ring and fight. I wish all weight divisions would have a tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I actually forgot Dirrell pulled out.
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Originally Posted by HornfingerBehave. On paper it was a good idea. The execution hasn't worked. and to be fair that's been down to fighters pulling out for one reason or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterI would hardly call it a disaster, especially for the fans. It made some of the better fighers get in the ring and fight. I wish all weight divisions would have a tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I actually forgot Dirrell pulled out.
True, the execution hasn't been good due to pull-outs. They seemed to have learned from it with the Bantamweight tourney, a 4 man straight knockout tournament seems much more workable. It has given us some good fights and interesting style match-ups, and we could still have some more with Froch-Johnson and the winner against Ward.
that is prob good news as they will be forced to make froch fight ward and just class that as the final ;)
Looked like he made that call half way through the Froch fight to me. Guys like Johnson fight all out to take spot and a supposed favorite tucks tail because he can't take it. Dint let the door hit your ass!
If you were AA, and you'd just taken the kind of beating he took at the hands of Froch, and to be completely outclassed as he was, you wouldn't be too eager to get back in the ring against the same guy again, another beating like that and he might not even want to come back again.
Froch v Ward as the final, and let's move on to simpler tournament set-ups for the future I think!
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Originally Posted by Kel
Haven't heard of it,but wouldn't be surprised...anyway the only thing I know so far is that AA won't fight Ward in march and that he probably will fight in may again...
it definately hasnt been a disaster, and in away its served its purpose
we wanted to find the best supermiddle and were down to the best 2
it would make more sense to lose johnson but maybe brute wil step in for AA
or Kes might come back
If Arthur Abraham drops out then the Super Six has been a gigantic failure in my eyes. Of course, many of us suspected as much in the begining. It's too harsh a sport to make a long term scheme like this pan out.
A few great fights is fine, but as a wound wobin (Kripke) ;D it's proved itself garbage.
The Supersix has served its purpose, in as much as we now know the top two fighters in the competition. Froch and Ward have proven themselves worthy finalists.
The only thing that has annoyed me is that they kept bringing in substitute fighters when they should have either shortened the tournament or brought back one of the others and changed fixtures around.
It's an absurdity id they make Carl Froch fight Glen Johnson and Andre Ward fight an as yet unnamed opponent in the semi finals. Utter lunacy imo.
Just make the final fight now, Ward vs Froch. If they don't want to shortchange Glen Johnson, let him fight the winner.
But putting obstacles in front of the big final would be idiotic in my mind.
the format was daft which has taken something way from itQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
it hasnt been a failure tho, we have had
AA v Taylor, Froch v Dirrell, Ward v Kesser, Froch v Kessler, AA v Dirrell, Froch v AA
thats 6 fights between the best supermiddles in the world, when have we had that before?
It has helped Froch/Ward fight the best fighters in the division and gain some credibility.
I thought there were big penalty clauses in the contracts for anyone who tried to pull out?
None of these guys seem to be paying any attention to that.
I agree. You have had some very good fights in this tournament. Sure a lot of the guys dropped out, but before that the boxing fans also saw a lot of quality matchups, that to me isn't a failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the format was daft which has taken something way from itQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
it hasnt been a failure tho, we have had
AA v Taylor, Froch v Dirrell, Ward v Kesser, Froch v Kessler, AA v Dirrell, Froch v AA
thats 6 fights between the best supermiddles in the world, when have we had that before?
I don't see it as a failure at all. It does put a damper on the trophy's importance, but it's realistic.
To me the match making is realistic and shows no fighter would be undefeated if matched properly. I don't see why injuries make for a failure. Only questionable issue is Dirrell. But still waiting for confirmation that AA quit right????
I agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Yes I remember in the first Fight Camp episode they said it would be career suicide for any boxers that chose to pull out without good reason due to the penalty sanctions.
Unless he's injured, in which case he just needs to give Dr. Shaw-Hi a call and he'll be ready to go in 6 months :cool:
I suppose in a sense the tournament has been a failure. Maybe it was too much of an ask to expect everything to run smoothly and for all boxers to stay in the competition and avoid injury when matched with the best in the division fight after fight. The tournament has almost become meaningless due to most of the boxers dropping but we've seen a lot of match-ups that just wouldn't have happened had it not been for it. I think they should just wash their hands of it and put Ward and Froch in the final. Learn from the mistakes made and come back with something that's more sustainable. Ultimately the tournament has been a failure but it's provided fights we wouldn't have seen and in my opinion that can only be a positive.
Fair enough you make a great point. It's just a bitch move if it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
i saw that coming
at this point they should just do froch vs ward with the johnson getting a shot at the winner
it's better that abraham pulled out because i don't think he would have made any difference in the tournament anymore and considering the way he got manhandled last night. i also think he should go back down to middleweight cause those big super middles will continue to eat him up.
Yeah, I have to disagree with myself and agree with Bilbo. :mad:
Why does everyone lately pull out before they fight Ward?
Because they ain't Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Very true, this tournament isnt a failure, because Froch and Ward is going to be a classic, I think, and if Glen Johnson fights the winner it would be great as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelBecause they ain't Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Losing Abraham isn't a loss, imo because his last fight just showed where he stands, he's lost 2 in a row, he doesn't deserve to be near the final. Ward vs Froch is going to be great. These fights served their purpose and why should the losers fight each other twice? Who really wants to see Abraham vs Ward or Froch again?
Andre Ward has won twice, and Froch has won twice, they've won the most in the tournament, so they SHOULD fight each other, these other fights between were just a formality, if it gets this final over quicker im all for it .
Abraham says in an interview with Bild that Wegner will stay as his trainer and that he is considering going back to middleweight,because at super middle the other fighters are all bigger than him and he would always be the smaller boxer...
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Arthur Abraham: Geschlagener Boxer behält Trainer Wegner - Sport - Boxen - Bild.de
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AA had big problems making weight at middleweight and most middleweights are at least taller than AA,so IMO its a stupid idea going back down...
"BILD: Ihr Trainer Uli Wegner hat Sie als Feigling während des Kampfes beschimpft. Sind Sie ein Feigling?"
I think that's Wegner using the word coward to describe AA during the fight, pretty harsh coming from a coach. Also the last question was whether he would take part in the fight against Andre Ward early next year and he said yes. As for going down to middle again yeah it's not like he was ever the biggest man down there, and if he had trouble making weight a year ago then he still will have trouble making weight today.
If it is true, Johnson and Bika should fight for an mandatory spot to fight the winner after a propose big fight with the winner of the Super 6 against Bute.
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Originally Posted by Ant Live
whooooaaaa, thats even more complex than the original set up
Well,Im not too surprised if this is true. Hard to disagree its the best choice for his career. Ward would easily outpoint him most likely. He should go down to middleweight .
would you have said ward would easily outpoint him before you saw the Froch fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
I don't blame Artur for not wanting to carry on. If he doesn't think he can win, and needs a confidence building easier fight next then you can't force a man to sacrifice his career to a tournament where we already have the top two fighters lined up to fight each other anyway.
Let Abraham go back to middleweight if he wishes.
If I was working for Showtime I'd make Froch vs Ward as the final in March/April.
On the undercard I would try and pursuade Andre Dirrell to come back and fight Glen Johnson.
That's the most logical way to end this thing imo. Dirrell/Johnson would be a fantastic matchup in its own right, and Dirrell was clearly the tournament number 3 guy having run Carl Froch very close and also completely outboxed Abraham.
We might then see a rematch with Froch or what I think would be a great fight with Andre Ward, should he despose of Glen Johnson.
Of course if Johnson if, at like 57 years old and 300 fights was to spring the suprise against Dirrell nobody would begrude this fight anybody real life Cinderella Man the opportunity to fight the winner of Froch Ward next summer.
The winner of that fight, takes on Bute, and then the winner of that moves up to fight Pascal.
It's a fantastic schedule, and one that makes perfect sense for everybody involved, including the fans.
To be honest , Id would have said it too. But Froch really did dominate him. Impressive.
I honestly think its the jab that gives Abraham the most trouble.
I have a couple of questions. What is the financial penalty from Showtime if AA quits the Super Six? What is the procedure if a fighter quits the tournament due to medical reasons in order to avoid any type of financial penalty from Showtime? Does Showtime have one of their doctors evaluate the boxer?
They can't force him to fight. Taylor and Dirrell quit on medical grounds so it must be easy for a guy coming off two one-sided losses to get a doctors note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
In the harsh business of boxing he is currently worth shit. Selling Abraham vs anyone could only be done to a German market at the moment. I doubt they're that concerned he has pulled out ;)
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Originally Posted by gest12645
the general view on here was that AA would win
and i dont think people would have thought that ward would have an easy night with AA either
i wonder how many people have changed their mind now
Ward struggled with Bika (off night maybe) but he didnt do such a good job on green either, I dont think he will be quite as smooth against AA as Froch was
has he definately pulled out?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThey can't force him to fight. Taylor and Dirrell quit on medical grounds so it must be easy for a guy coming off two one-sided losses to get a doctors note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
In the harsh business of boxing he is currently worth shit. Selling Abraham vs anyone could only be done to a German market at the moment. I doubt they're that concerned he has pulled out ;)