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Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?
Will Khan give him a boxing lesson or will Maidana simply hunt him down and put him to sleep?
Can't make my mind up with this one but i got a gut feeling Khan might pull this off and even stop him. ;)
Either way this should be a belter of a fight.
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khan should win, i think Maidana only has a punchers chance
I suppose you could says its better than an average punchers chance tho because from past evidence he will only have to land it once
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i think Khan will do this comfortably. I don't think Maidana will lay a glove on him.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG!!!!
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Khan is an obvious favourite, but I am happy to see him in there with a puncher.
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I think Khan stops him by accumulation in 8. Maidana has a shot, but nowhere near a 50/50 shot. Probably more like 70/30 in Amir's favour.
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A disciplined Khan wins this one all day long for me - but at last he is in with a puncher and if Maidana lands it could be a career ender, so it will be exciting for that reason.
As long as Maidana is in there he will know he can KO him - but I don't think Khan is stupid enough to lose focus again (although I do think he is stupid in general terms).
For me its Khan by lopsided UD or maybe late stoppage as Maidana tires and the punches accumulate.
In conclusion - come on Maidana !!!!
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I can see all kinds of outcomes. I can see Maidana rushing him and stopping him. I can see Khan outboxing him to a wide UD, or possible late stoppage via accumulation, or i can see an early stoppage win for Khan. If Maidana is as wide open as he was against Ortiz early on, Khan will have him out of there.
It's a very interesting match-up. Khan deserves credit if he wins this. I don't think he will get it because it will be easier to point at Maidana's faults, before listing 5 fighters who'd beat Khan ;D
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If AK fights smart he will win if for some reason he allows himself to get in a slugfest he will get sparked.....Though we all know Khan has power of his own that is nothing to sneeze at
so he could catch Maidana with a crisp shot to stop him as well.....
I say this fight all depends on Khan himself ,,,,,Box smart win....get into it w him taking too many chances...and then it becomes a 50/50....If that made any sense
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It's a great match-up. Ultra skilled chinny boxer vs relentless banger. Maidana could win this fight even on the verge of getting stopped himself.
(Maidana is around a 5/2 shot, so if you think it's 50/50 lump on him ;))
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Khan's speed and movement should get him through to a quite easy night. Maidana ONLY has a punchers chance. 50/50 is not even close
Oddschecker has
Khan 4/11 (-275)
Maidana 11/4 (+275)
Draw 40/1 (+4000)
TBH those odds seem too close to me, as I will be shocked if this is competitive.
Still all that being said Maidana has earned this shot and does have a chance albeit an extremely slim one.
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I can see all kinds of outcomes. I can see Maidana rushing him and stopping him. I can see Khan outboxing him to a wide UD, or possible late stoppage via accumulation, or i can see an early stoppage win for Khan. If Maidana is as wide open as he was against Ortiz early on, Khan will have him out of there.
It's a very interesting match-up. Khan deserves credit if he wins this. I don't think he will get it because it will be easier to point at Maidana's faults, before listing 5 fighters who'd beat Khan ;D
Khan will get credit if he wins. Actually, I'm giving him credit either way if he wins or loses because he is facing a puncher.
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ono
I can see all kinds of outcomes. I can see Maidana rushing him and stopping him. I can see Khan outboxing him to a wide UD, or possible late stoppage via accumulation, or i can see an early stoppage win for Khan. If Maidana is as wide open as he was against Ortiz early on, Khan will have him out of there.
It's a very interesting match-up. Khan deserves credit if he wins this. I don't think he will get it because it will be easier to point at Maidana's faults, before listing 5 fighters who'd beat Khan ;D
Khan will get credit if he wins. Actually, I'm giving him credit either way if he wins or loses because he is facing a puncher.
That's the spirit.
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Let it go Missy ;D
Never surrender!!
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I see Khan outboxing Maidana's ears off. But can he do it through 12 rounds without getting caught with a big wallop? That is the big question. Maidana is one tough motherf - he will not be easy to break down, and he's not just a typical brawler, he's got boxing skills too.
Yes imo, the fight is 50/50.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
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I think Khan stops him by accumulation in 8. Maidana has a shot, but nowhere near a 50/50 shot. Probably more like 70/30 in Amir's favour.
I was going to come in here to post the same thing. I'd have it at least 70-30 in Khan's favour. I think he's going to dominate Maidana. I honestly think a guy like Ortiz who can punch and box is a much bigger threat to Khan than a one-dimensional slugger like Maidana.
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Khan in theory should be able to outbox and beat maidana pretty easy but i thought the same about ortiz. The only hype worse than khans is that of khan and his team trying to hype maidana as some great fighter and obstacle. I don't dislike khan but man from getting laid out five minutes ago by a nobody to the so so so tired and old "i can beat floyd too where do i grab a number and stand in line ? " doesn't make sense to me. Khan has won and been building himself back up just as he should but how people have him rated so high i don't get. But loosing has done nothing but good for margarito so who knows. Maybe a loss to maidana gets him a title shot. Would make no sense in mma but perfect sense in boxing.....
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Khan in theory should be able to outbox and beat maidana pretty easy but i thought the same about ortiz. The only hype worse than khans is that of khan and his team trying to hype maidana as some great fighter and obstacle. I don't dislike khan but man from getting laid out five minutes ago by a nobody to the so so so tired and old "i can beat floyd too where do i grab a number and stand in line ? " doesn't make sense to me. Khan has won and been building himself back up just as he should but how people have him rated so high i don't get. But loosing has done nothing but good for margarito so who knows. Maybe a loss to maidana gets him a title shot. Would make no sense in mma but perfect sense in boxing.....
To be fair when Khan says anything about Mayweather or Pacquiao it's in direct response to a question. It's not like he's organised a press conference to tell the world he can beat them both on the same night. I think people forget that and then take his answer out on context.
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I don't really like Khan, seems like a complete dick to me, though I respect that he's got some silks in the ring. I give him credit for fighting a puncher and think he wins a very wide UD. He could get stopped if he gets sloppy, he could stop Maidana early who can be wild leaving himself wide open for Khan's quicker, straighter shots, or he could stop him late through accumulation. He's stepping up the competition and is in with a very dangerous opponent, though I wouldn't say its 50/50 as Khan is clearly a superior boxer and in theory shouldn't have problems winning this one. Aside from landing big at some point Maidana won't win, he isn't outboxing him, whereas Khan has the tools to beat Maidana in any number of ways.
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Interesting how not so long ago many thought this fight vs Maidana would be suicide for Khan.
Freddy Roach, like him or not, has been an important part of Khan's improvement. I can see Khan avoiding exchanges with a puncher like Maidana and winning on points. Khan has reach, speed, and overall improved boxing skills.
Khan by desicion :(.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.
I love Hindsight.
All 3 were highly rated top 3-5 fighters at lightweight. Marquez stopped them all. He doesn't have to be in his prime to beat Khan. He would be Khan's best opponent by a country mile.
Couldn't make it up. Knocks the top contenders out at light weight, but has no chance against a guy you refer to as Khon (presumably because you don't rate him) at light-welter weight. I think i need to sit down. ;D
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Re: Khan v Maidana - - - is this a 50/50 fight..?
I think Maidana has been more overrated. People were touting the guy like he would destroy Khan and it would be suicide for Khan to fight him. But from what I see of him, I see a limited guy with a lot of heart and power. I expect Khan to completely dominate him and possibly stop him. The way he looked in his last fight, I don't see why Khan wouldn't beat him one sidedly. He has an average chin as well, say what you will about Khan's chin but he will reach Maidana's first.
What this fight will be, is a good test of Khan's boxing skill to see where he is at. if Maidana beats him, he doesn't deserve his championship, because of Maidana, bradley, Khan and Alexander, Maidana is the most limited.
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Battle between 2 of the most overrated fighters in the division. Winner fights Ortiz for Over rated champ of 140.
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I think Maidana has been more overrated. People were touting the guy like he would destroy Khan and it would be suicide for Khan to fight him. But from what I see of him, I see a limited guy with a lot of heart and power. I expect Khan to completely dominate him and possibly stop him. The way he looked in his last fight, I don't see why Khan wouldn't beat him one sidedly. He has an average chin as well, say what you will about Khan's chin but he will reach Maidana's first.
What this fight will be, is a good test of Khan's boxing skill to see where he is at. if Maidana beats him, he doesn't deserve his championship, because of Maidana, bradley, Khan and Alexander, Maidana is the most limited.
As far as I know Maidana is the one who's showing up as the underdog in the eyes of many. He's alright to me. He has two ko wins over top 140 pound prospects Victor ortiz and Victor cayo and just 1 loss that was controversial anyway to kotelnik so how can maidana be overrated? He's virtually undefeated.
Ring Mag has him at #4 JrWW... behind Bradley, Khan, and Alexander. So who would you rather take his place at #4?... Kotelnik, Urango, Maliggnagi, Peterson? :-\
C'mon now dude.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135,
and let's not forget he is 37.
Good post. And that final part is perhaps the most significant.
We saw with Campbell that age and weight gain don't neccessarily go hand in hand. Of course, Marquez is a better fighter than Campbell, but we should never underestimate how tough it is for an old smaller man to jump up in weight. Having this kind of shelf life at LW is remarkable enough on its own. Plus someone like Khan has all those natural size advantages to boot.
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No Contest
Battle between 2 of the most overrated fighters in the division. Winner fights Ortiz for Over rated champ of 140.
Surely Devon Alexander is more over-rated? I mean people on here have him on their p4p lists (sorry Jaz) ;D
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.
Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.
Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.
Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.
Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.
Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Casamayor who was old and Diaz who aint no better than Paulie, JMM was great but is not any more in his prime Fact, Khon is bigger, faster, freasher and Coach Roach knows when the cherrys ripe to pluck, the Marques bit was Ironic btw.
I love Hindsight.
All 3 were highly rated top 3-5 fighters at lightweight. Marquez stopped them all. He doesn't have to be in his prime to beat Khan. He would be Khan's best opponent by a country mile.
Couldn't make it up. Knocks the top contenders out at light weight, but has no chance against a guy you refer to as Khon (presumably because you don't rate him) at light-welter weight. I think i need to sit down. ;D
All were Top 3. Casamayor was the division champ. Diaz was the best outside of JMM himself & Nate Campbell & Katsidis was rated the best outside of JMM. I think people overhype the defeat to PBF as him not being good at a higher weight. There's a big difference between Mayweather & Amir.
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Surely Devon Alexander is more over-rated? I mean people on here have him on their p4p lists (sorry Jaz) ;D
You bastard! You'll eat crow in January, please stop this or I might actually end up rooting for the spam-headed bastard! ;D
As it is, Maidana is easily the most over-rated at the weight. Khan & Ortiz are battling for the most underrated imo right now.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.
Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.
Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.
Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.
But you don't know that Marquez isn't an exception to the rule. Given his effectiveness at lightweight, i'd say there's a good chance that he is. I'm genuinley astonished that you'd make Alexander and Maidana favourites if they were to face Marquez.
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.
Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.
Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.
Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.
But you don't know that Marquez isn't an exception to the rule. Given his effectiveness at lightweight, i'd say there's a good chance that he is.
I'm genuinley astonished that you'd make Alexander and Maidana favourites if they were to face Marquez.
I'd favour those guys to beat JMM too at 140. Heck, I'd pick Guerrero ("the quitter") over JMM at 135, seriously.
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Maidana has an AA chance in beating Froch. A PUNCHERS' CHANCE. I would love to see Khan win and go on to fight Alexander(if he defeat Bradley).
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Maidana has an AA chance in beating Froch. A PUNCHERS' CHANCE. I would love to see Khan win and go on to fight Alexander(if he defeat Bradley).
I dunno I think Maidana's hopes of beating Froch might be a bit slim, what with the 28lbs+ weight difference ;D
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Maidana has an AA chance in beating Froch. A PUNCHERS' CHANCE. I would love to see Khan win and go on to fight Alexander(if he defeat Bradley).
I dunno I think Maidana's hopes of beating Froch might be a bit slim, what with the 28lbs+ weight difference ;D
'must be a typo error. "Froch"? wtf :-\
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Khon will never be in a 50/50 fight, he will out speed Maidana to a lop sided UD or stop him after 7 or 8 rounds just depends how much Madaina can take, his next fight will probably be an over the hill Jmm Marques @ 140 and he will then be a legend beater LOL.
The same JMM who has just beaten the living piss out of one of the best fighters at 135, before stopping him? The same JMM who holds stoppage wins over Casamayor and Juan Diaz at 135?
I can't believe so many people have decided JMM can't compete at 140 :rolleyes:
Well to be honest, beating the top guys at 1 division doesn't mean the fighter will be a force at another higher division. Boxing history is littered with numerous examples. For example Oscar was very good at 154 but when he moved up to 160 he struggled mightily against Sturm and even got knockout by Hopkins, another example is Darchniyan was very good at 115 but looked like crap at 118 or Hatton was very good at 140 but struggle pretty much at 147. So it's not a given that JMM will be able to compete or be a dominant force at 140 just because he was very good at 135, and let's not forget he is 37.
That's a fair point, but the sport is also littered with fighters who have made the jump without any problems.
Hatton was poor at welterweight for two reasons. Both times he fought slick fighters who would have troubled him/beaten him at light-welter. He also has a style which requires him to bully his opponent, and use his strength to overwhelm his opponent. It's harder to do that to bigger guys.
Marquez is a totally different fighter. He is very accurate and he's an excellent counter puncher. He doesn't really rely on his physicality to over power his opponents. He also has a very good chin, and despite being 37 years old, he isn't really showing any signs of slowing down. He'd be a much more dangerous opponent for Khan than anyone else at Light-Welter...with the possible exception of Bradley.
Out of interest who would you pick to beat Marquez at 140?
You're right in that the sport is littered with guys making the jump without any problems, but those guys are usually young or in their physical prime, not in their late 30s. JMM is 37. That is a very advance age not only in boxing but any sport, guys moving up in weight at an advance age do not dominate or are very competitive at the new weight class, someone might bring up Hopkins but those scenarios are the exception and not the rule.
Who would I pick to beat JMM at 140. Pac, Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana.
But you don't know that Marquez isn't an exception to the rule. Given his effectiveness at lightweight, i'd say there's a good chance that he is.
I'm genuinley astonished that you'd make Alexander and Maidana favourites if they were to face Marquez.
I'd favour those guys to beat JMM too at 140. Heck, I'd pick Guerrero ("the quitter") over JMM at 135, seriously.
Haha i think you've been hitting that A-Side Meth ;D
