Should Maidana have been deducted the point for the transaparent elbow?

A simple poll as it appears to have stimulated a fair amount of discussion in the other thread. Do you really think Maidana should have been deducted a point for the so called elbow? I won't make any case for it, as I think you are all able to make your own minds up.

So, a simple yes or no....

I may have messed up the question somewhat there, a bit of an accident. In fact my English is appalling in the poll too.

I thought you wanted to end this debate? ;D

If you attempt to land a blatant elbow you "deserve" to be punished. If the blatant elbow hits the ref you should DEFINITELY be punished and haven't got a leg to stand on.

(For the record - you and all the mug Khan haters will almost certainly render this poll useless. Fact.)

When I watched it live, I was pretty pissed off that Cortez took a point without issuing a warning. However, the replay showed that it was a pretty blatant elbow so I understand why he took a point.

Not just deducted a point, shit he could get fine for hitting a ref or suspended.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I thought you wanted to end this debate? ;D

If you attempt to land a blatant elbow you "deserve" to be punished. If the blatant elbow hits the ref you should DEFINITELY be punished and haven't got a leg to stand on.

(For the record - you and all the mug Khan haters will almost certainly render this poll useless. Fact.)

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No, I wanted to end the debate, but was very curious to see what other people think. I have already given a very fair posting about Khan, but of course admitted that I wasn't a fan.

I wanted to see what people felt about random deductions. You can say that the poll is useless but if it works out in Khan's favour would you say the same thing? I really have no idea which way it will go as the bias on here is quite shocking, but I will accept whatever the poll shows.

However, I really do not believe that the deduction was justified. It was needless and totally detracted from the fight.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Not just deducted a point, shit he could get fine for hitting a ref or suspended.

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That's going way overboard I think. It was a pretty weak elbow that didn't do any damage to a 205 year old and clearly senile referee. It's pretty much on par with a blatant low-blow as far as I'm concerned and doesn't require any further discipline.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Not just deducted a point, shit he could get fine for hitting a ref or suspended.

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That's going way overboard I think. It was a pretty weak elbow that didn't do any damage to a 205 year old and clearly senile referee. It's pretty much on par with a blatant low-blow as far as I'm concerned and doesn't require any further discipline.

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I didnt think it was very hard but intentionally hitting an official could get an athlete fine or suspended, in any sport. He may not have intended to hit the ref but he was intending to hit someone. In this case he hit the ref.

Nice to see the first two replies are sensible Saddo posters doing the site proud (stop arguing now guys. Julius you're going a bit OTT with the punishment (;D).

Don't worry miles, you and your gang of mug Khan haters will "win" this poll. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Not just deducted a point, shit he could get fine for hitting a ref or suspended.

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That's going way overboard I think. It was a pretty weak elbow that didn't do any damage to a 205 year old and clearly senile referee. It's pretty much on par with a blatant low-blow as far as I'm concerned and doesn't require any further discipline.

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I didnt think it was very hard but intentionally hitting an official could get an athlete fine or suspended, in any sport. He may not have intended to hit the ref but he was intending to hit someone. In this case he hit the ref.

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His intent was not to hit Cortez, it was to hit Khan. I would definitely agree that a suspension would be possible if he has attacked Cortez, but he was clearly aiming for Khan and only hit Cortez when he jumped in to separate them. Even then it was a pretty weak shot.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Nice to see the first two replies are sensible Saddo posters doing the site proud (stop arguing now guys. Julius you're going a bit OTT with the punishment (;D).

Don't worry miles, you and your gang of mug Khan haters will "win" this poll. Fact.

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So, I don't do the site proud because I say things that don't fit with the mainstream? I am not so cool in the opinion of the MODS because I actually disagree with the Brit consensus that Khan is to be worshipped and that the point deduction was bogus?

Okay, I see the agenda. I honestly couldn't care who wins the poll, I was just curious to see what other people think. I have no gang of Khan haters, I think for myself. If others happen to agree with me then that is cool. But as things stand, bugger off.

I actually had little faith that I was to gain the accepted view considering that this place is so rabildly British, but regardless the "Yes" vote is winning.

So, where is my army Fenster? I have never had an army on here.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Nice to see the first two replies are sensible Saddo posters doing the site proud (stop arguing now guys. Julius you're going a bit OTT with the punishment (;D).

Don't worry miles, you and your gang of mug Khan haters will "win" this poll. Fact.

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So, I don't do the site proud because I say things that don't fit with the mainstream? I am not so cool in the opinion of the MODS because I actually disagree with the Brit consensus that Khan is to be worshipped and that the point deduction was bogus?

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What the fuck is it with people and just plaining making shit up? As always with these 'you all think the same' rants your way off the mark.

Miles please show me one person Brit/MOD or otherwise who thinks Khans the second coming and I'll show you five who think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Nice to see the first two replies are sensible Saddo posters doing the site proud (stop arguing now guys. Julius you're going a bit OTT with the punishment (;D).

Don't worry miles, you and your gang of mug Khan haters will "win" this poll. Fact.

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So, I don't do the site proud because I say things that don't fit with the mainstream? I am not so cool in the opinion of the MODS because I actually disagree with the Brit consensus that Khan is to be worshipped and that the point deduction was bogus?

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What the fuck is it with people and just plaining making shit up? As always with these 'you all think the same' rants your way off the mark.

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My main point was actually the former sentence, but regardless that highlighted sentence was me venting somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Miles please show me one person Brit/MOD or otherwise who thinks Khans the second coming and I'll show you five who think otherwise.

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No, I think I was off in that comment and I apologise to all the MODS. I have had a tough evening and have fallen apart somewhat.

I think I am right about the elbow, but I have no good reason to be rude to anybody.

I think the point deduction is well deserved. He deserved to lose a point for not connecting with Cortez' chin in a solid manner.

For the record, I think that Cortez did a pretty bad job, I just think there is some justification for the point deduction.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Miles please show me one person Brit/MOD or otherwise who thinks Khans the second coming and I'll show you five who think otherwise.

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No, I think I was off in that comment and I apologise to all the MODS. I have had a tough evening and have fallen apart somewhat.

I think I am right about the elbow, but I have no good reason to be rude to anybody.

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Miles you are forgiven ;D

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Miles please show me one person Brit/MOD or otherwise who thinks Khans the second coming and I'll show you five who think otherwise.

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No, I think I was off in that comment and I apologise to all the MODS. I have had a tough evening and have fallen apart somewhat.

I think I am right about the elbow, but I have no good reason to be rude to anybody.

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Miles you are forgiven ;D

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Thank you.

Just read the other board. I am not quite myself.

Maidana was hitting on the break often before the point deduction. The elbow was rather blantent so no prior warrning for the elbow was necessary, not only because of the deliberate foul, but in response to his previous warnings and unsportman like attitude from the onset of the fight. So I believe the deduction was completely justified.

What's funny is that as soon as it happened I said to Miles in the live rbr board that he should be happy as that will give him a bone of contention that he can insist was both wrong and cost Maidana the fight.............

I blame the Jews for Maidana losing it and Cortez for reffing the fight.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

What's funny is that as soon as it happened I said to Miles in the live rbr board that he should be happy as that will give him a bone of contention that he can insist was both wrong and cost Maidana the fight.............

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Bilbo if people are voting that way then fair enough. I disagree but if people vote a certain way then so be it.

The point deduction was bullshit.

Maidana was clearly just trying to touch gloves with Amir Khan.

Lol yes. He elbowed the ref.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

Maidana was hitting on the break often before the point deduction. The elbow was rather blantent so no prior warrning for the elbow was necessary, not only because of the deliberate foul, but in response to his previous warnings and unsportman like attitude from the onset of the fight. So I believe the deduction was completely justified.

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I think that's a fair perspective.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

The point deduction was bullshit.

Maidana was clearly just trying to touch gloves with Amir Khan.

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haha and couldn't tell his fist from his elbow, or for that matter Amir's face from Cortez's chest.

I ain't surprised Cortez took some kind of shot, foul or not. He was jumping right in there while Maidana was swinging all over the place. A point deduction was justified.....just.

What if that elbow hit Khan or Cortez in the eyebrow or forehead. A single elbow strike is not that fataly dangerous but it can cause severe laceration. That could have ended the fight early.

Yes, definitely.

It is my belief that any illegal intentional hits done in a boxing fight should not even be given a warning to discourage them from doing it in the first place. Maidana deserves the point deduction.

An elbow has no place in boxing except maybe to support the body on the way down to the canvas when one cannot use his hands. :)

Never a good idea to start a thread drunk, but I can live with that.

So the majority of you think that Maidana should have been docked a point and that is fair enough. I am not going to change my mind, but I can respect that my opinion is the minority one here.

I am a firm believer in democracy and believe that polls are the best way of gauging public opinion. The Saddoboxing public have spoken.

So much for my anti Khan army, eh Fenster? ;)

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Originally Posted by miles

Never a good idea to start a thread drunk, but I can live with that.

So the majority of you think that Maidana should have been docked a point and that is fair enough. I am not going to change my mind, but I can respect that my opinion is the minority one here.

I am a firm believer in democracy and believe that polls are the best way of gauging public opinion. The Saddoboxing public have spoken.

So much for my anti Khan army, eh Fenster? ;)

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What you need is more ALTS. Like Ice. ;D

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Originally Posted by miles

Never a good idea to start a thread drunk, but I can live with that.

So the majority of you think that Maidana should have been docked a point and that is fair enough. I am not going to change my mind, but I can respect that my opinion is the minority one here.

I am a firm believer in democracy and believe that polls are the best way of gauging public opinion. The Saddoboxing public have spoken.

So much for my anti Khan army, eh Fenster? ;)

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What you need is more ALTS. Like Ice. ;D

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haha,

I really don't think Miles would be able to remain anonymous for more than an afternoon. His posting style and content are one of the most distinctive on all of Saddo's.

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Originally Posted by miles

So much for my anti Khan army, eh Fenster? ;)

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Yes i'm pleasantly surprised. Not as many mugs as I thought ;D

Prepare for another Miles' "Goodbye" thread guys.

I thought the point deduction was fair.

he clearly had intentions of hitting Khan with the elbow but ended up hitting Cortez lol.

I feel it was warranted, I think Maidana could have also had points taken away plenty of other times for rabid punching.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Prepare for another Miles' "Goodbye" thread guys.

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No, not at all. I am not an unreasonable person. If most people thought that a point should have been taken then that is fair enough. I am really quite okay with that. It's cool.

Maidana deserved the deduction because he got caught. If he got away with it liike others do then fairplay. Did anyone see Ward's elbow on Bika? It was obvious retaliation and kind of brutal but he got away with it.