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If Haye comes up with some excuse and doesn't fight either of them, he should just go ahead and retire right now.
Haye has been on tv saying the fight with Wlad is around 85% done haha so long way to go, I would say 95% done is a long way from happening with these two. ;D
I hope this scenario doesn't happen but I could totally see the WBA title holder having a decent sized fight and then slinking off into quasi retirement a la Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I hope the fight happens because I know if it does Wlad is going to demolish him.
Now the Klits have come out and said this I fully expect the liar to sign a deal to fight Povetkin instead. ;D
If I was Haye I would take Vitali, I think he stands a better chance against him.
gotta say i think haye has a much better chance against wlad
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
He has a chance of knocking Wlad out. He has no chance of knocking Vitali out.
been saying this for 18 months or so now
don't fancy his chances against either as they are fucking massive !!
But he has a better chance against Wlad despite him being the more skilled of the two
I'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
With all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
wouldn't be shocked to see Wlad drop Haye with just his jab, it's gonna be a slaughter no matter who he faces
Dude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
Too fast? Too powerful? And you can't see Wlad winning, that's odd because Wlad is too fast and too powerful for your guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
Are you suggesting Wlad is faster than Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongToo fast? Too powerful? And you can't see Wlad winning, that's odd because Wlad is too fast and too powerful for your guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
I'd even up a sig bet on this. Not only do I think Haye will win, but I think he'll stop him before the 2nd half of the fight. I really don't think Wlad is a special fighter. What he does is simple. He jabs...and holds when anyone gets close. I'll admit that he's smart, and uses his advantages, but for me he's not in the same league as his big brother. Haye picks his shots, and will be too quick for Wlad working in and out in bursts.
i wouldn't really call Haye anything special either, he gets hit, he doesn't have much variety in his punches and his movement is a bit weak, any top HW from the last 30 yrs would have sparked him, Wlad and Vitali are no exception and i believe both will do it with ease and later get no creditQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAre you suggesting Wlad is faster than Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongToo fast? Too powerful? And you can't see Wlad winning, that's odd because Wlad is too fast and too powerful for your guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
I'd even up a sig bet on this. Not only do I think Haye will win, but I think he'll stop him before the 2nd half of the fight. I really don't think Wlad is a special fighter. What he does is simple. He jabs...and holds when anyone gets close. I'll admit that he's smart, and uses his advantages, but for me he's not in the same league as his big brother. Haye picks his shots, and will be too quick for Wlad working in and out in bursts.
I'm not saying Haye is special. Every comment you made there ca be applied to Wlad. His movement is weak, he doesn't hav variety in his punches, and any top Heavyweight in the last 30 years would have sparked him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi wouldn't really call Haye anything special either, he gets hit, he doesn't have much variety in his punches and his movement is a bit weak, any top HW from the last 30 yrs would have sparked him, Wlad and Vitali are no exception and i believe both will do it with ease and later get no creditQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAre you suggesting Wlad is faster than Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongToo fast? Too powerful? And you can't see Wlad winning, that's odd because Wlad is too fast and too powerful for your guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
I'd even up a sig bet on this. Not only do I think Haye will win, but I think he'll stop him before the 2nd half of the fight. I really don't think Wlad is a special fighter. What he does is simple. He jabs...and holds when anyone gets close. I'll admit that he's smart, and uses his advantages, but for me he's not in the same league as his big brother. Haye picks his shots, and will be too quick for Wlad working in and out in bursts.
For me, Haye has better speed, better movement and better variety in his punches and can adapt better to situations mid-fight.
see that's the thing, Wlad DOES have variety of punches he just never has to use them, his jab is outstanding, he has a killer right hand, an excellent left hook, and pretty damn good uppercuts, how many times have you seen Haye hook off of his jab or throw an uppercut right off of his jab?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not saying Haye is special. Every comment you made there ca be applied to Wlad. His movement is weak, he doesn't hav variety in his punches, and any top Heavyweight in the last 30 years would have sparked him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi wouldn't really call Haye anything special either, he gets hit, he doesn't have much variety in his punches and his movement is a bit weak, any top HW from the last 30 yrs would have sparked him, Wlad and Vitali are no exception and i believe both will do it with ease and later get no creditQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAre you suggesting Wlad is faster than Haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongToo fast? Too powerful? And you can't see Wlad winning, that's odd because Wlad is too fast and too powerful for your guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDude, Haye is too fast and too powerful for him. If it was Vitali, I'd have my reservations but I really can't see Wlad winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWith all the people wanting a sig bet with me for this fight you're going to have to get in line.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'm not around much these days because of my job, but I thought I might as well renew this discussion with Lyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If Haye fights Wlad, I genuinelly believe Haye will knock him out. This isn't blind British passion like when people believed Hatton would beat Mayweather, I'm saying it because I really see it happening. If it happens, I'll sig bet with you.
Hey man be as wrong as you like Wlad stomps the crap out of everyone in the division right now up to and including the WBA title holder.
I'd even up a sig bet on this. Not only do I think Haye will win, but I think he'll stop him before the 2nd half of the fight. I really don't think Wlad is a special fighter. What he does is simple. He jabs...and holds when anyone gets close. I'll admit that he's smart, and uses his advantages, but for me he's not in the same league as his big brother. Haye picks his shots, and will be too quick for Wlad working in and out in bursts.
For me, Haye has better speed, better movement and better variety in his punches and can adapt better to situations mid-fight.
it's gonna be brutal, and Haye is gonna retire due to "injury"
Its funny we wouldn't even think haye has a chance I think if he didn't talk himself up so much. Wasn't sultan supposed to be pretty fast, powerful and semi elusive, that's at least how I remember it. He got his face hammered for 10 rounds, sam was going to knock wlad into oblivion well he put him down 3 times and still lost convincingly, brock kod in 7, ruslan 9, I don't think haye is any better than those 4 guys with the exception of sam. Really if you look at wlads losses the only one he has a chance of duplicating is what sanders did to wlad and that was the old wlad, because the other 2 fights that wlad lost his opponents took massive punishment that haye just wouldn't be able to absorb before getting to wlad. I think he losses to either brother but wlad would actually ko him, while vitali would tko him.
this seems like a bit of a strange thing to say doesnt it?
I do not think he has to knock out Vitali, who is slower and older and prone to injuries. He can use the tactics used against valuev and outpoint him with speed and hurt him when he sees the opening. Wlad would beat him with his fast jab and will not get past his defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
He has a chance of knocking Wlad out. He has no chance of knocking Vitali out.
The big points that I think win the fight for either Klitschko brother are as follows:
1. Experience - both brothers have been in big heavyweight title fights before, they've been in trouble, they've overcome trouble, they know what to expect and they don't get thrown by any variables that can occur in these big fights like fouls or cuts or knockdowns.
2. Accuracy - The bothers are economical in their offense, every punch they throw matters whether it hits the guard to draw attention or lands flush on the jaw they make their punches count and they are precise in their attack. I can't count the number of times I've seen Wlad land a jab and then land a right cross right behind it on the exact same spot and it's so quick that you can't adjust to block or avoid that.
3. Fundamentals - Both brothers (Wladimir more so) are fundamentally sound they throw straight punches, they use solid defense, they protect themselves, they have a set game plan and they follow it, they don't force the KO, they allow the KO to come to them.
All those along with height, weight, reach, power, etc. I just don't forsee the WBA title holder giving Wlad or Vitali much trouble. Sure the guy is fast, sure he has some pop, but he keeps the front hand down, he leaps in (bad news vs Wlad) throws 1 big punch at a time, and just the simple fact that the guy has NEVER EVER EVER EVER been in the ring with anyone remotely as good as either Klitschko brother will show during their fight should it happen. You look at Barrett, Valuev, Ruiz, and Harrison and tell me any of those guys are as fast as powerful or are even in their prime like the Klitschko's are.
Get real... Wlad has a very good chance of stopping Haye. Very good indeed, but don't talk like he's gonna jump on haye and slap him out of there in a punch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Wlad isn't exactly that type of fighter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFQvN9Shns
If he is so cautious against a short heavyweight with the physique of a slightly fat cruiser weight, then do you honestly think he is going to be all over Haye like a fly on shit in the first few seconds?
He's good and pissed off and knows his opponent doesn't have the caliber of game to trouble him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBGet real... Wlad has a very good chance of stopping Haye. Very good indeed, but don't talk like he's gonna jump on haye and slap him out of there in a punch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Wlad isn't exactly that type of fighter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFQvN9Shns
If he is so cautious against a short heavyweight with the physique of a slightly fat cruiser weight, then do you honestly think he is going to be all over Haye like a fly on shit in the first few seconds?
I'll be very surprised if the 1st right cross that lands doesn't drop the WBA title holder, I know it will wobble him. The guy has yet to taste true heavyweight power, he's already been dropped once and hurt a couple times by total washed up bums and you guys think he can fight a perfect fight and beat Wladimir? And it WILL take a perfect fight from him to beat either brother.
Hope we don’t see another Corrie Sanders repeat :-\. Big guys like the Klitschko brothers and Lennox Lewis, when he was around, don't have the greatest chins/jaws.
Sanders was a totally different animal, he took big shots from Wlad and Vitali....but still, if you put THAT Corrie Sanders in with the current version of Wlad and the outcome would be totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
BTW, where is Kirkland Laing? Haven't seen him for a while. He's usually in these type of threads. And he gets all riled up than any Brit when it comes to Haye.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...iece-shit.html
Pissed off? Come on Lyle... I wouldn't have thought you'd think that Haye could get under Wlad's skin, at all. The last thing he should do against Haye is get mad... that would increase haye's chances tenfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's good and pissed off and knows his opponent doesn't have the caliber of game to trouble him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBGet real... Wlad has a very good chance of stopping Haye. Very good indeed, but don't talk like he's gonna jump on haye and slap him out of there in a punch or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Wlad isn't exactly that type of fighter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYFQvN9Shns
If he is so cautious against a short heavyweight with the physique of a slightly fat cruiser weight, then do you honestly think he is going to be all over Haye like a fly on shit in the first few seconds?
I'll be very surprised if the 1st right cross that lands doesn't drop the WBA title holder, I know it will wobble him. The guy has yet to taste true heavyweight power, he's already been dropped once and hurt a couple times by total washed up bums and you guys think he can fight a perfect fight and beat Wladimir? And it WILL take a perfect fight from him to beat either brother.
If he closes haye down and waits for an opening he'll probably stop him, if it's a punch out Haye stands a good uncher's chance to say the least.
But that won't happen, Wlad isn't pissed... if he was the fight would be made right now.
It's hype and business from both sides, I really thought you'd see that.
I guess you probably do but it's easier to say that Wlad is pissed this time so it will be different, rather than admit that however effective his developed style is, it is often embarassing and boring to watch and that it isn't very likely to see a first round KO from him any more. You have to go back almost a decade to see consistant early stoppages from Wlad... it's just not how he fights and I doubt Haye will be any different.
I agree, the first solid cross he lands will drop haye... I don't expect to see it for at least 4-5 rounds of pawing and jabbing though.
The best fight he can make is to keep haye off balance with his left until a bit of fatigue sets in and the chinks show... he won't jump on him earlier because he knows he'll risk another embarassing stoppage, his big brother would never let him live it down if he was stopped by a golfer, a journey man and a cruiserweight!
Those beatings have left their marks and the style he uses will never change because of it.
I guess you don't think Wlad opened up on Sam Peter early enough. Wlad dint "go for broke" but he didn't hold back much, he didn't wait to land the right he just went out there and threw it....hooks and uppercuts too. But then again Sam has a solid chin.
I keep telling you Manny Steward sees the heavyweight landscape devoid of talent and he's going to push Wlad to fight in a style closer to how he used to fight.
I hope so.
When the divisions best fighter is boring to the general public to watch then it hurts the division.
I rarely ever miss a championship match but Mr. Haye is a mystery to me because I have never seen one of his fights and from what I am hearing his opponents have a lot to be desired in ability and draw power. My question is what is his record like and what are his chances as a part holder of the heavyweight title. Once again, I never saw him fight before so please, a description of his style and why should the Klitschko brothers be interested in negotiating when he allegedly backs out all the time. This is written by someone that happened to be elsewhere every time Hayes fought.
haye is a pretty pathetic heavyweight champion, i mean he beat valuev (one of the worst heavyweight title holders ever) then defends against john ruiz (nuff said) then against audley harrison (ha ha) come on its hayes mouth that is making people believe he can beat wlad or vitali. now i might be wrong & haye might be a legit heavyweight but i think put him in a ring with a very mediocre fighter & he looks good & exciting i can see him getting off the floor a few times against wlad then referee stepping in & getting ko'd by vitali.
From the Klitschko's perspective Haye has the WBA belt which they want to add to their collection and world domination. In a way I am glad they have not had everything their own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
worst thing that happened was haye getting a title, if he hadnt then this fight would of happened by now:mad:
And we still would have an 8 foot champion fighting Ruiz for the 100th time. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
worst thing that happened is the jacked up wba taking the title from ruslan prior to his fight and giving it to valuev...haye would be left with no title and the only way to one would be thru the klits....this way we would have got to see the fight and haye either put up or shut up.
or we would have Haye beat up and nothing else to talk about in the heavyweight division. :D