Sergio Martinez vs Andy Lee
So how does this fight go? I must say although I'm a fan of Andy, I haven't seen him progress much since his loss to Vera. Andy hasn't shown much power or defense since then either as can be seen in the Gibbs fight where #1 Gibbs (not known for his chin) took everything Lee threw and #2 Lee ate a ton of right hands. On the other hand Sergio has shown more power recently and has always had good defense.
I think we're looking at a fight that Sergio should dominate but I am hoping for Andy Lee to find his potential and at LEAST up his profile, maybe hurt Sergio, maybe go the distance and win a few rounds, just don't get shut out or blown out.
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Lee has a tremendous potential and has the frame that Manny likes to train: Tall with a good reach. I think that he could have all the potential to trouble Sergio but he's too green yet for it.
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I was really confident Lee would be a world champ when he turned pro, recently not so sure though, he has good skills but hasn't really improved to the next stage. This jump in competition I think will be way to much for him, he hasn't beaten anyone of note and will be out of there in 6 or less...
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Jeep Cherokee is a good vehicle but not sure I'd enter it in Nascar.
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Jeep Cherokee is a good vehicle but not sure I'd enter it in Nascar.
Outside of the savage KO Sergio laid on Williams, I don't think there's much in his past that shows me that Andy Lee is in too much danger.
Andy Lee's level of competition is poor, but he's young, Sergio is 35, stranger things have happened. I just want Andy to give a good account of himself, I think he can last 12 with Sergio, I doubt Andy wins, but I'm hoping they (Andy and Manny) find a way to get it done.
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Also was pretty surprised to find out kelly is only 28, I was sure he was like 27 when he fought for the title, so he's definitely got the time as long as he straightens out his life and doesn't fall into a complete downward spiral.
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Jeep Cherokee is a good vehicle but not sure I'd enter it in Nascar.
Outside of the savage KO Sergio laid on Williams, I don't think there's much in his past that shows me that Andy Lee is in too much danger.
Andy Lee's level of competition is poor, but he's young, Sergio is 35, stranger things have happened. I just want Andy to give a good account of himself, I think he can last 12 with Sergio, I doubt Andy wins, but I'm hoping they (Andy and Manny) find a way to get it done.
I don't think it's a bad move either. Lee has the potential and has to step it up sonner or later so they can find out if it is just potential or if he has what it takes. Andre Ward didn't do alot before Miranda or Kessler but many now consider him to be the best in the Super-Middleweight division. I think it'll be a step too soon, but I thought that with Ward against Kessler and I couldn't have been more wrong.
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Jeep Cherokee is a good vehicle but not sure I'd enter it in Nascar.
Outside of the savage KO Sergio laid on Williams, I don't think there's much in his past that shows me that Andy Lee is in too much danger.
Andy Lee's level of competition is poor, but he's young, Sergio is 35, stranger things have happened. I just want Andy to give a good account of himself, I think he can last 12 with Sergio, I doubt Andy wins, but I'm hoping they (Andy and Manny) find a way to get it done.
Thats why didn't go with monster truck rally. Not sure Martinez would savage him so much as really outclass him. Think Lee gets peppered & smacked up late ala Pavlik but at least Kelly had that supposed magic eraser in power. It's really a have nothing to lose fight for Lee. Alot of guys need this, stop building, waiting, whistling and throw them in, sink or swim type fight. Martinez also has to wonder what does he gain except a network date. At 35 make every outing a biggie.
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I actually like to see some young prospects tested and maybe get a few losses before initial success, boxing needs to get away from the one loss is the end of your career in the prime time, mentality its been in. I mean Paul Williams just got knocked out in the first round, about 7 years ago when it was all about undefeated streaks we wouldnt see Williams back for a while. But we may see him back in a few months and for a title, that's what boxing is becoming, it's just gonna be a great trilogy, and a knockout in 2 isn't going to end that he is a world title challenger and champion at 154 still I believe.
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I actually like to see some young prospects tested and maybe get a few losses before initial success, boxing needs to get away from the one loss is the end of your career in the prime time, mentality its been in. I mean Paul Williams just got knocked out in the first round, about 7 years ago when it was all about undefeated streaks we wouldnt see Williams back for a while. But we may see him back in a few months and for a title, that's what boxing is becoming, it's just gonna be a great trilogy, and a knockout in 2 isn't going to end that he is a world title challenger and champion at 154 still I believe.
I agree with your premise but Paul is going to have to show me he's fully recovered from that KO. A KO like that can really change a fighter....I hope he comes back strong as ever but I have my doubts until I see him do it.
Im certainly with you on that. I cant name a fighter in my recent history that got sparked lights out and then picked himself up and resumed superstardom?
Is that better than say getting pummeled like Lacy did for 12 rounds against Calzaghe or is it just as devestating mentally?
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El Kabong
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I actually like to see some young prospects tested and maybe get a few losses before initial success, boxing needs to get away from the one loss is the end of your career in the prime time, mentality its been in. I mean Paul Williams just got knocked out in the first round, about 7 years ago when it was all about undefeated streaks we wouldnt see Williams back for a while. But we may see him back in a few months and for a title, that's what boxing is becoming, it's just gonna be a great trilogy, and a knockout in 2 isn't going to end that he is a world title challenger and champion at 154 still I believe.
I agree with your premise but Paul is going to have to show me he's fully recovered from that KO. A KO like that can really change a fighter....I hope he comes back strong as ever but I have my doubts until I see him do it.
Im certainly with you on that.
I cant name a fighter in my recent history that got sparked lights out and then picked himself up and resumed superstardom?
Is that better than say getting pummeled like Lacy did for 12 rounds against Calzaghe or is it just as devestating mentally?
Amir Khan.
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Majesty
I actually like to see some young prospects tested and maybe get a few losses before initial success, boxing needs to get away from the one loss is the end of your career in the prime time, mentality its been in. I mean Paul Williams just got knocked out in the first round, about 7 years ago when it was all about undefeated streaks we wouldnt see Williams back for a while. But we may see him back in a few months and for a title, that's what boxing is becoming, it's just gonna be a great trilogy, and a knockout in 2 isn't going to end that he is a world title challenger and champion at 154 still I believe.
I agree with your premise but Paul is going to have to show me he's fully recovered from that KO. A KO like that can really change a fighter....I hope he comes back strong as ever but I have my doubts until I see him do it.
Im certainly with you on that.
I cant name a fighter in my recent history that got sparked lights out and then picked himself up and resumed superstardom?
Is that better than say getting pummeled like Lacy did for 12 rounds against Calzaghe or is it just as devestating mentally?
Amir Khan.
forgot about him. I think the difference is Kahn had a rep for a shaky chin and Williams had a iron chin and literally face planted unconcious with his eyes open
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Amir Khan didn't rely on his chin as much as Paul Williams relied on his. Amir was always a stick and move fighter and he will remain so if he is going to be successful. Paul Williams was a guy who didn't care about defense, he just went in face first and threw as many punches per round as he could....it don't pay to be a pressure fighter with no chin.
Lennox Lewis came back, but then again he wasn't sparked out COLD like Williams was...Duran had some success after the Hearns KO....but there is a huge possibility that he's never the same fighter.
I just think Paul is a big guy, he's tall and lanky, why not use a more traditional game plan??? It would only benefit him.
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I actually like to see some young prospects tested and maybe get a few losses before initial success, boxing needs to get away from the one loss is the end of your career in the prime time, mentality its been in. I mean Paul Williams just got knocked out in the first round, about 7 years ago when it was all about undefeated streaks we wouldnt see Williams back for a while. But we may see him back in a few months and for a title, that's what boxing is becoming, it's just gonna be a great trilogy, and a knockout in 2 isn't going to end that he is a world title challenger and champion at 154 still I believe.
I agree with your premise but Paul is going to have to show me he's fully recovered from that KO. A KO like that can really change a fighter....I hope he comes back strong as ever but I have my doubts until I see him do it.
Im certainly with you on that.
I cant name a fighter in my recent history that got sparked lights out and then picked himself up and resumed superstardom?
Is that better than say getting pummeled like Lacy did for 12 rounds against Calzaghe or is it just as devestating mentally?
Amir Khan.
forgot about him. I think the difference is Kahn had a rep for a shaky chin and Williams had a iron chin and literally face planted unconcious with his eyes open
Yeah but I don't care how iron chinned you are, if you don't defend yourself and leave yourself as open to shots as Williams does, chances are that will happen to you. He needs to work on his defence big time if he wants to make it back to superstardom. He should drop down to 154 and build his confidence back up.
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This is a GROSS mismatch, Andy is a good guy and all but he is really just a harder hitting more defensive John Duddy IMO....Sergio has a great chin and has stood up to fighters more skilled then Lee and harder hitting...His only Stoppage loss is to a young Margarito, Even if Lee did win he would not be able to hold the belt very long....Paul Williams will be looking for him, Sturm would outbox him on points easily and AA will be returning to MW and he would look for Lee ASAP and it is a shootout I can not imaging Lee winning.....
Good kid but not world class yet....His power is what seems to be mentioned every time Lee is discussed but review who he has stopped and it makes you question exactly how hard he does hit
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Amir Khan didn't rely on his chin as much as Paul Williams relied on his. Amir was always a stick and move fighter and he will remain so if he is going to be successful. Paul Williams was a guy who didn't care about defense, he just went in face first and threw as many punches per round as he could....it don't pay to be a pressure fighter with no chin.
Lennox Lewis came back, but then again he wasn't sparked out COLD like Williams was...Duran had some success after the Hearns KO....but there is a huge possibility that he's never the same fighter.
I just think Paul is a big guy, he's tall and lanky, why not use a more traditional game plan??? It would only benefit him.
I agree he should fight tall and utilize that wingspan of his, I believe its comparable to Wlads. It would behoove him to jab and move, he's good on his feet and has good rythm.
I laugh becuase he was in medium range with martinez and he got hit by a punch that Sergio wasnt even looking where he was throwing but none the less he got beat to the punch.. Kinda like a homerun hitter with a long swing that got a fastball blown by him
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This is a GROSS mismatch, Andy is a good guy and all but he is really just a harder hitting more defensive John Duddy IMO....Sergio has a great chin and has stood up to fighters more skilled then Lee and harder hitting...His only Stoppage loss is to a young Margarito, Even if Lee did win he would not be able to hold the belt very long....Paul Williams will be looking for him, Sturm would outbox him on points easily and AA will be returning to MW and he would look for Lee ASAP and it is a shootout I can not imaging Lee winning.....
Good kid but not world class yet....His power is what seems to be mentioned every time Lee is discussed but review who he has stopped and it makes you question exactly how hard he does hit
Daxx how long do you give Sergio against AA at Middle? I think Sergio showboating with his hands at his waist gets him splattered. AA will have the high guard and let Sergio peck away cause lets face it he will have a size advantage and I think Arthur exploding in spurts will have Sergio on his back foot until he gets caught. I'll give him 7-8 rounds until he's stopped
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This is a GROSS mismatch, Andy is a good guy and all but he is really just a harder hitting more defensive John Duddy IMO....Sergio has a great chin and has stood up to fighters more skilled then Lee and harder hitting...His only Stoppage loss is to a young Margarito, Even if Lee did win he would not be able to hold the belt very long....Paul Williams will be looking for him, Sturm would outbox him on points easily and AA will be returning to MW and he would look for Lee ASAP and it is a shootout I can not imaging Lee winning.....
Good kid but not world class yet....His power is what seems to be mentioned every time Lee is discussed but review who he has stopped and it makes you question exactly how hard he does hit
Daxx how long do you give Sergio against AA at Middle? I think Sergio showboating with his hands at his waist gets him splattered. AA will have the high guard and let Sergio peck away cause lets face it he will have a size advantage and I think Arthur exploding in spurts will have Sergio on his back foot until he gets caught. I'll give him 7-8 rounds until he's stopped
I doubt AA can make 160 anymore. He was struggling before, after fighting at 168, surely he can't get back down?
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This is a GROSS mismatch, Andy is a good guy and all but he is really just a harder hitting more defensive John Duddy IMO....Sergio has a great chin and has stood up to fighters more skilled then Lee and harder hitting...His only Stoppage loss is to a young Margarito, Even if Lee did win he would not be able to hold the belt very long....Paul Williams will be looking for him, Sturm would outbox him on points easily and AA will be returning to MW and he would look for Lee ASAP and it is a shootout I can not imaging Lee winning.....
Good kid but not world class yet....His power is what seems to be mentioned every time Lee is discussed but review who he has stopped and it makes you question exactly how hard he does hit
Daxx how long do you give Sergio against AA at Middle? I think Sergio showboating with his hands at his waist gets him splattered. AA will have the high guard and let Sergio peck away cause lets face it he will have a size advantage and I think Arthur exploding in spurts will have Sergio on his back foot until he gets caught. I'll give him 7-8 rounds until he's stopped
I doubt AA can make 160 anymore. He was struggling before, after fighting at 168, surely he can't get back down?
He mentioned after the Froch fight saying he gives up to much size to the other guys at 168 and he will stay in the super 6 and look back into middle when its over
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This is a GROSS mismatch, Andy is a good guy and all but he is really just a harder hitting more defensive John Duddy IMO....Sergio has a great chin and has stood up to fighters more skilled then Lee and harder hitting...His only Stoppage loss is to a young Margarito, Even if Lee did win he would not be able to hold the belt very long....Paul Williams will be looking for him, Sturm would outbox him on points easily and AA will be returning to MW and he would look for Lee ASAP and it is a shootout I can not imaging Lee winning.....
Good kid but not world class yet....His power is what seems to be mentioned every time Lee is discussed but review who he has stopped and it makes you question exactly how hard he does hit
Daxx how long do you give Sergio against AA at Middle? I think Sergio showboating with his hands at his waist gets him splattered. AA will have the high guard and let Sergio peck away cause lets face it he will have a size advantage and I think Arthur exploding in spurts will have Sergio on his back foot until he gets caught. I'll give him 7-8 rounds until he's stopped
I have to say JT a year ago I might nhave given little chance and agreed with you 100%, but for some reason Sergio makes that style work for him, I think it is crazy to fight that way even against guys you know you can outclass but hey I can't give too much criticism to a guy that has been a 2 division title holder and did to Williams and Pavlik he did over the last year...
But as for AA at one time i would have thought he would beat Martinez down with that style but after the S6 and watching how he deals with slick boxers hard to favor him over Martinez since slick boxing is what he is all about...Do I think he would stop AA at MW no way at MW AA was a whole different animal then at b168...AA is a small MW but the 168 mnjust too much for him at this stage...I do think he would outbox him...Martinez is no fool he would not get into a situation where would have to trade with AA....At least I hope not
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Mayorga ko's Martinez in 2 if Sergio has the balls to fight him.
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Mayorga ko's Martinez in 2 if Sergio has the balls to fight him.
;D
I have my doubts about that...
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Let me just say this about Sergio Martinez.
I would NEVER bet money against Mayweather; but if Martinez fought him my money would be on him...
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