Who comes out on top and in what fashion and on neutral terratory?
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Who comes out on top and in what fashion and on neutral terratory?
Depends really....Froch has the stamina over Bute IMO but Bute is the better over all boxer and has more power....Froch will try to make it a slugfest and bute will have none of it....Thing is Bute can fight going backward and Froch can not so IMO if Bute can keep his stamina I see him beating Froch by UD...If not I see Froch winning by Stoppage
Froch is more proven (by far), but I think Bute is the more talented fighter. I think both guys have the power to hurt the other, but I think Bute would land cleaner and more often, and I think he body-attack would really slow Froch down. I could see Froch forcing a late stoppage, if Bute's body work didn't do too much damage, but my money would be on Bute by TKO or wide points decision as I think he would simply out-box Froch.
I like Bute! It's about freaking time!
froch would wap him
bute wouldnt last the 12 and if by some amazingness he did he it would be more one sided than the froch AA fight
bute is the most over rated fighter in world boxing currently
apart from martinez, who is a fantastic fighter but people seem to have him at number 3 lb for lb for being 1-1 with paul williams :-\
Bute is too skilled and fast for Froch, I say goodnight Froch before the 7th. Hopefully that after Magee Bute will fight either Froch or Kesler and finish his 3 fights contract with what I believe is likely to be the winner of the super 6, Andre Ward.
Nameless? Clueless more like :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Sig bet if the fight ever happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Nameless? Clueless more like :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Really erics44 ???bute might be overrated but I guarantee he'd put up a better showing than aa did in that fight, I want in on that sig bet if that fight happens. As for sergio dude's not over rated he's not number 3 for going 1-1 against p will, but for demolishing cintron and getin a draw, kickin pavliks ass, and sending pwill to dreamland.
I can understand the skeptic part on Bute but Martinez????.....Dude I have to say I am starting to favor the rest of those here who say you are a wind up artist....Martinez is certainly #3 P4P in the world right now....In truth I don't think either Manny or PBF could beat him.....They have longer winning streaks against top opp that makes them above him on the ratings list......Your a short timer for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by NamelessSig bet if the fight ever happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Nameless? Clueless more like :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
what is a sig bet?
but if it involves money id be more than happy to if you was willing to be that daft?
i dont doubt he is a fantastic fighter, looks really goodQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI can understand the skeptic part on Bute but Martinez????.....Dude I have to say I am starting to favor the rest of those here who say you are a wind up artist....Martinez is certainly #3 P4P in the world right now....In truth I don't think either Manny or PBF could beat him.....They have longer winning streaks against top opp that makes them above him on the ratings list......Your a short timer for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but what makes him number 3?
he is 1-1 with paul williams recently, wouldnt that put williams right up there too?
look at frochs recent record, he has had a tougher time than martinez
thing is dude, i am objective, i dont let my love or hate for a fighter cloud my views, ok i tend to side with the brit first
so someone is upset about a fighter, haye or froch or hatton or whoever, and they shout about how crap they are, when they obviously arent crap, and i just put them straight
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Originally Posted by armin
crackin performances, although thats your opinion with cintron and he lost to williams
he is a very good fighter, top of his game, doesnt make him number 3 tho
I got Froch by UD. Close though. Could see the case for Bute winning aswell, although i do think he is a little over-rated.
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Originally Posted by erics44
Might be, cause but if Bute looses to Froch, it will have to be by KO or DQ, ain't no way Froch will out box Bute. "Būt-tā" gots some of those slick black American getto genetics in his blood.
Maybe not but he could definitely outwork him to a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Might be, cause but if Bute looses to Froch, it will have to be by KO or DQ, ain't no way Froch will out box Bute. "Būt-tā" gots some of those slick black American getto genetics in his blood.
every time froch fights everyone bets on the other guyQuote:
Originally Posted by onoMaybe not but he could definitely outwork him to a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Might be, cause but if Bute looses to Froch, it will have to be by KO or DQ, ain't no way Froch will out box Bute. "Būt-tā" gots some of those slick black American getto genetics in his blood.
bute is an easy opponent compared to frochs last 5
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Maybe not but he could definitely outwork him to a decision.[/QUOTE]
every time froch fights everyone bets on the other guy
bute is an easy opponent compared to frochs last 5[/QUOTE]
are you serious? I say Bute beats all five of Froch's last opponents
Maybe not but he could definitely outwork him to a decision.[/QUOTE]
every time froch fights everyone bets on the other guy
bute is an easy opponent compared to frochs last 5[/QUOTE]
are you serious? I say Bute beats all five of Froch's last opponents[/QUOTE]
hes seems to be over rated by everyone
Either that or you are the one who's underrating Bute. I stand with fan johnny, I don't see how Froch could win this by point. Bute nearly won every rounds in all his match and it seem a pretty bad match-up for Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Whilst I have not watched a lot of Bute, Froch has the right hand power to hurt Bute and beat him. Froch cannot beat Andre Ward.
Froch definately has a big chance of winning this one, especially in the late rounds by ko, but I think this would look something like Froch vs Taylor, only Bute would get the job done in the middle rounds.
Froch wouldn't be able to win on points though, agreed.
Hmm were you thinking about Bute-Andrade I when you made that statement? If that's the case I just wanna say that one of Bute's strongest asset is his ability to raise his boxing level as the fight progress. The 12th round of Bute-Andrade I was a mistake that won't happen again. He always tried to make a show in the 12th round before that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
Bute is not a small 168. The truth is that right now, he's the best at 168. If he was an american fighting out of vegas, no one would argue on that. Just wait and you'll see. You guys always come up with the 1st Andrade fight, no one seems to remember that he k.o him the second time. Also, he did better against Miranda than any 168 in the super-six (Ward or Abraham). You might think that he's not better that Ward, that's fine with me, but don't say that he faced anyone, that's not true.
Martinez is rightfully number 3 p4p in the world and if he dominates Dzinziruk, he makes a case as the #2 p4p in the world because of Floyd's inactivity. In his last four fights, he's faced Wiliams, Cintron, Pavlik, and Williams. He knocked Cintron out and the punch was so fast that no one in the ring, including the ref, saw it knock him. He lost to Williams, another top ten p4p fighter, and then went up in weight and beat the consensus top middleweight in Kelly Pavlik. That's impressive. All the while, taking the knockout of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont doubt he is a fantastic fighter, looks really goodQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI can understand the skeptic part on Bute but Martinez????.....Dude I have to say I am starting to favor the rest of those here who say you are a wind up artist....Martinez is certainly #3 P4P in the world right now....In truth I don't think either Manny or PBF could beat him.....They have longer winning streaks against top opp that makes them above him on the ratings list......Your a short timer for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but what makes him number 3?
he is 1-1 with paul williams recently, wouldnt that put williams right up there too?
look at frochs recent record, he has had a tougher time than martinez
thing is dude, i am objective, i dont let my love or hate for a fighter cloud my views, ok i tend to side with the brit first
so someone is upset about a fighter, haye or froch or hatton or whoever, and they shout about how crap they are, when they obviously arent crap, and i just put them straight
Back to Bute v. Froch, it's a great matchup. Froch is more experienced at world level than Bute, but Bute appears to be the more gifted boxer. I would almost prefer to see this than Froch v. Ward. If Froch beats Ward, I'll change my mind, but right now I'd favor Bute over Froch. Froch lost a close fight to Kessler and that dropped Froch's stock for me because that was a winnable fight. For the record, I favor Froch to beat Johnson and lose to Ward. To be straight, Froch is a warrior and I give him his credit.
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Originally Posted by erics44i dont doubt he is a fantastic fighter, looks really goodQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI can understand the skeptic part on Bute but Martinez????.....Dude I have to say I am starting to favor the rest of those here who say you are a wind up artist....Martinez is certainly #3 P4P in the world right now....In truth I don't think either Manny or PBF could beat him.....They have longer winning streaks against top opp that makes them above him on the ratings list......Your a short timer for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
but what makes him number 3?
he is 1-1 with paul williams recently, wouldnt that put williams right up there too?
look at frochs recent record, he has had a tougher time than martinez
thing is dude, i am objective, i dont let my love or hate for a fighter cloud my views, ok i tend to side with the brit first
so someone is upset about a fighter, haye or froch or hatton or whoever, and they shout about how crap they are, when they obviously arent crap, and i just put them straight
How can you deny Martinez ability?....Please set me "Straight" on it......he has beaten his last 4 opponents with ease...The first Williams fight could have gone either way and if you remember correctly most people felt Martinez deserved the nod...But it mattered non anyhow because he beat Williams inside of 2rds in the rematch stopping him with 1 punch and he was in total control of what was going on...Williams was fighting martinez was putting on a performance....Williams is a top notch fight so for that to happen to him shows Martinez skillset....If it was a 1st rd KO I would not give Martinez as much credit because guys get stopped in the 1st because they are not properly in the fight yet be it not warmed up, or they are not expecting a guy to come at them in the 1st all out but this was not the case.....
Martinez beat Pavlik like unwelcomed guest....He should have gotten the nod against Cintron.......Williams was a top 10 P4P fighter when Martinez faced him and stopped him...
The entire boxing world considers Martinez a top P4P fighter but you are setting people straight on his ability :-\....It is one thing to say the guy should be ranked lower in the top 10 mP4P but to call him over rated etc is just pure ass talk.....
After watching Magee get beat I think froch would do well, as froch isn't a meatbag like Abraham or Magee?? Who agrees
Bute's best shots always seem to come at close range. If Carl can keep the fight at arms length but still a bit of a high energy shoot-out, he'd probably win.
I doubt Bute would be stupid enough to get himself into a position to be knocked out, however Froch might. But otherwise, I think Froch would be good enough to win.
It would be a good fight to make, both fighters have their strong points.
I think we'll see Bute vs Kessler first, that's a pretty good comparable to Froch.
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Bute looked meaningfully better than Froch against Magee, their only common opponent. It appeared Magee was only down by a point before he was caught.
I agree, I like Lucian Bute for a late stoppage win he seems like a good guy. Like your assessment though I do think Bute is like a glass hercules, powerful yet fragile.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Bearing in mind froch wasn't what he is now and Magee was a bit more awkward???
After watching those videos froch looked quite neat and tidy considering he was up against a southpaw which is awkward for most conventional fighters
I'd love to see a Froch Bute fight. I really think it would be a hard fight to predict, and I actually disagree to an extent on the usual predictions, of Bute by points or Froch late KO.
These kinds of fights tend to surprise and I actually think it could just as easily be Froch outpointing Bute or Bute stopping Froch.
Bute seems to fade down the stretch, and may not be as tough as Froch, but there is no question that Froch is far easier to hit, and Bute can definitely bang. So a Bute stoppage would not be out of the question.
Froch is not as good a technical boxer as Bute imo, but he's awkward, and rugged and unconventional and that might cause problems for Bute. I could picture a scenario where he gets hurt and is tentative loses a decision so I don't think the Bute points or Froch KO general feeling is necessarily how it will go.
I do think however that Froch will struggle to get past Andre Ward so he might not face Bute at all sadly.
That was the worst Froch performance I have seen against Magee, who he fought his best ever fight and Froch fought as if he knew he would KO him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
in the froch - magee fight, froch did look unmotivated and maybe arrogant in knowing he was a level above perhaps rightly with hindsight
bute is over rated and both froch and ward beat him, maybe kessler too depending how much he has left when he returns to the ring
lucian should stick to fighting bums in canada
It's a hard fight to call. Bute is by far the more talented fighter, but Froch has a much better resume and has made a career of willing his way to victory over more skilled opponents.
I think it's a fight that really could go either way. Both fighters have power and both have shown they can outbox their opponents. I think it would really interesting to see how Froch responds to Bute's body-attack. I wouldn't be surprised to see it play out like Froch - Taylor in that Bute jumps out to a big lead only to be stopped late.
I like to say things like that about Bute too, but there's no denying the guy has skills. He's capable of winning all those fights imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
I think his durability and chin are questionable, but that aside he barely seems to lose a round against all of his opponents so far.
His wins over Bika, Miranda and Andrade (well second win) were very impressive. I'd expect Froch and Ward to beat those guys (well Ward has beat two) but none of them would do more impressive jobs than Bute (the Andrade first fight last round calamity aside).
Froch and Ward would both struggle more against the above three names than Bute has imo. This doesn't mean he's better than them but I think he can beat up B level fighters easier than they do.
He has more power than Ward, and he's technically better than Froch. I think he lacks Froch's toughness however and Ward I think is more skilful and the best fighter of the three, in that, like B Hop, Mayweather and Tim Bradley he knows all the tricks and can outpsych, and use his head, elbows and all those tricks in the ring to frustrate his opponent. Not calling him a dirty fighter, I think it's ring smarts, and Ward has them more than the other two, which is why he will prove himself number 1 imo.
Seems like you changed your mind a bit Bilbo good to see, Lucian Bute has some underrated wins. Against fighters like Salem, Zuniga, and its the way he done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI like to say things like that about Bute too, but there's no denying the guy has skills. He's capable of winning all those fights imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
I think his durability and chin are questionable, but that aside he barely seems to lose a round against all of his opponents so far.
His wins over Bika, Miranda and Andrade (well second win) were very impressive. I'd expect Froch and Ward to beat those guys (well Ward has beat two) but none of them would do more impressive jobs than Bute (the Andrade first fight last round calamity aside).
Froch and Ward would both struggle more against the above three names than Bute has imo. This doesn't mean he's better than them but I think he can beat up B level fighters easier than they do.
He has more power than Ward, and he's technically better than Froch. I think he lacks Froch's toughness however and Ward I think is more skilful and the best fighter of the three, in that, like B Hop, Mayweather and Tim Bradley he knows all the tricks and can outpsych, and use his head, elbows and all those tricks in the ring to frustrate his opponent. Not calling him a dirty fighter, I think it's ring smarts, and Ward has them more than the other two, which is why he will prove himself number 1 imo.
These guys are very tough Kabary Salem, went 12 rounds with a prime Joe Calzaghe. and knocked him down hard aswell, plus he'd never been stopped Lucian Bute was the first one to do it.
Fulgencio Zuniga floored Kelly Pavlik, and gave him a good hard fight. And was stopped on cuts not legitmately KO'ed like Lucian Bute did impressively. And you see how tough Fulgencia Zuniga was in his last fight.
Because he isn't really a Light Heavyweight, and he went the distance with the hard punching Tavoris Cloud. That shows you that it is impressive to stop Fulgencio Zuniga in only 4 rounds and with a body shot aswell.
I agree he hasn't got that real A+ win yet, but i think the way he's beaten fighters like the one's i mentioned and fighters like Berrio, Andrade, show's he is class he just needs a fight against someone like Mikkel Kessler to raise his status now though.