Main Reason there was no Ali-Foreman II?

Always have to wonder how this would have gone the 2nd time round. Really has to be the fight I most would have wanted to see, except for maybe Tyson-Holyfield circa 1990. No way does rope-a-dope work the 2nd time round. No way. I say Big George pumps 50 telephone-pole jabs per round until it sucks all the energy out of ali's back and neck. Big George. Big George.

See ali fought Frazier and Norton 3 times but wouldnt dare touch Foreman again. I heard he had blood in his urine from contused kidneys for 4 weeks after the fight.

foreman would have beaten ali 9 times out of 10 at that point in their careers

the build up and the crowd, everything went against george

i agree. and maybe those ropes ARE a bit rubbery there, hey? check it out. ever see ropes like that, EVER?

The win was the upset of all upsets... Except no one was upset, so everyone forgot it was an upset ^-^

Seriously though, i'm kinda glad people are starting to look into just how inflated Ali's gold plated resume is.

I'm sure George stated it never happened because he didn't want it to... not really sure what version of george said that... the real one or the PR one

Yeah Fat George was very... erm... 'Polite' when it came to talking about his previous opponents.

The crowd and the public had made Ali a golden boy just like the Flashing grin of Leonard. Duran and Foreman were the bad guys but Foreman was bad. He was angry but in his second career he evolved. Even though his favorite food was a Burger King burger, he did not get excited and his jab became more of a club. The laughed at him and he kept winning. If George developed this personality change back then his career would have been very different and talk about fear, who would enter the ring without pre-paid hospital insurance.

Just for the record I am and always was an Ali fan but the simple truth is that Foreman still needed a little more experience and he was huffing and puffing in his first career because not too many guys could avoid his punishing blows. All he needed to do was calm down and do more roadwork. He never saw more than a few late rounds but he was knocking everyone out and Ali revealed this flaw the first time. Imagine if Dundee was Foreman's trainer instead.

Foreman had mental scars after the fight with Ali. Also though to be fair Ali was on the slope from then on too so any second match would have been against a fading Ali and George wouldn't have gotten the recognition even if he had won IMO.

great points everybody. :) yeah if foreman coulda thrown those huge left jabs--like the one that rocked and reeld a prime holyfield that night---Im sure it woulda had a great effect on Ali. And it woulda conserved george alot of energy so by the 8th round he woulda had some gas in the tank.

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Just for the record I am and always was an Ali fan but the simple truth is that Foreman still needed a little more experience and he was huffing and puffing in his first career because not too many guys could avoid his punishing blows. All he needed to do was calm down and do more roadwork. He never saw more than a few late rounds but he was knocking everyone out and Ali revealed this flaw the first time. Imagine if Dundee was Foreman's trainer instead.

I don't know what benefits will a chearleader bring to Forman ;)

George claimed that Ali ruined him psychologically in that documentary where Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Norton and George sat together and broke bread.
Said he attributed the losses to Young etc. to Ali's demolition of his psyche

When a bully gets bullied, he don't wanna fight anymore.
If they would have fought a 2nd time, Ali would have had another gameplan himself. Was Foreman's jab better the Ali's jab? We certainly know Ali was quicker.
IMO, Ali would have stopped Foreman on his stool.

Simple reason is Forman did not want the fight.

Ali spoke a few times about fighting Forman again but Forman did not want to know.

I've watched/read Foreman talking about his psychological condition in the aftermath of his loss and I actually think Ali would have handed him a one-sided beating if they fought again because of his mental state. His confidence was gone, he knew he had been exposed as a bully, and it took him a long time to recover.

For me if there was a second fight someone would have explaint to Formane that there are the so cald score cards and that he must not go inside :) In this case Ali would not have a chance.
It is astounding how unstable is the psychik of Forman

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George claimed that Ali ruined him psychologically in that documentary where Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Norton and George sat together and broke bread.
Said he attributed the losses to Young etc. to Ali's demolition of his psyche

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Champions Forever. Watched it just last week actually.

does anyone know what the judges scorecards were b4 the 8th round KO?

:o Just found the 'Scorecards in rounds':

Zach Clayton 4-2-1 Ali
Nourridine Adalla 3-0-4 Ali
James Taylor 4-1-2 Ali


UD for Ali WTF?! :mad:

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:o Just found the 'Scorecards in rounds':

Zach Clayton 4-2-1 Ali
Nourridine Adalla 3-0-4 Ali
James Taylor 4-1-2 Ali


UD for Ali WTF?! :mad:

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Good find!;D

A lot of Formans shots were hitting arms and gloves but I am supprised.

Will have to score the fight myself to see how I would have had it.

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Nice one buddy, that's the one.

This is no surprise for me. When i am watching old Ali's fights it's all the time Ali did this Ali did that and actually he didn't do anything :D I always turn the sound off!
I don't want to start talking about the corrupted swines in boxing! I am getting angry!

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This is no surprise for me. When i am watching old Ali's fights it's all the time Ali did this Ali did that and actually he didn't do anything :D I always turn the sound off!
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Agreed a lot of the old Ali fights were boring like Spinks fight but he was old and had very little left.

-Ali beat Foreman in 1974

-Foreman then took an entire year off

-On the comeback trail, Foreman beat Ron Lyle and Joe Frazier in 1976.

-When the public was finally demanding a rematch, Ali took a 3rd fight against Ken Norton instead.

-After the Norton fight, Ali announced his retirement (this retirement would only last 8 months)

-Foreman went on to fight Jimmy Young and lost, and retired.

- Ali came back out of retirement and fought several more times and went in and out of retirement a couple more times.

I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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Not Ali but may be Frazier, now that would be a classic Holmes v Frazier.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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Holmes not only had the best jab ever of the heavyweight greats he also had an amazing chin and recovery powers. I think that would have helped him survive and beat Frazier. It would have been a a hell of a fight.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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Holmes not only had the best jab ever of the heavyweight greats he also had an amazing chin and recovery powers. I think that would have helped him survive and beat Frazier. It would have been a a hell of a fight.

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Holmes was tough, i just watched the Shavers knockdown, now if big George hits him like that what happens? I miss the 70's and all the great Heavyweights that were around then. Holmes deserves more credit than he gets, he would have made Lewis look foolish.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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Holmes not only had the best jab ever of the heavyweight greats he also had an amazing chin and recovery powers. I think that would have helped him survive and beat Frazier. It would have been a a hell of a fight.

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Holmes was tough, i just watched the Shavers knockdown, now if big George hits him like that what happens? I miss the 70's and all the great Heavyweights that were around then. Holmes deserves more credit than he gets, he would have made Lewis look foolish.

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Lets not get out of control here...Lennox Lewis holds his own and beats most of the past pound for pound best heavyweights....He is #4 of all time % at least....Lennox could beat any top HW on his best nights......He was tall used his height and range had a massive right hand and one punch stopping power when he needed to...He was a great finisher....To say Holmes makes him look foolish is just crazy talk

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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Not Ali but may be Frazier, now that would be a classic Holmes v Frazier.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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Holmes not only had the best jab ever of the heavyweight greats he also had an amazing chin and recovery powers. I think that would have helped him survive and beat Frazier. It would have been a a hell of a fight.

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Holmes was tough, i just watched the Shavers knockdown, now if big George hits him like that what happens? I miss the 70's and all the great Heavyweights that were around then. Holmes deserves more credit than he gets, he would have made Lewis look foolish.

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Lets not get out of control here...Lennox Lewis holds his own and beats most of the past pound for pound best heavyweights....He is #4 of all time % at least....Lennox could beat any top HW on his best nights......He was tall used his height and range had a massive right hand and one punch stopping power when he needed to...He was a great finisher....To say Holmes makes him look foolish is just crazy talk

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Yes, let's not get out of control here.

let's face it larry holmes' greatness comes mainly from his ability to take punsihment and still come back. foreman's greatness wasnt really that----except for in the lyle war---. larry holmes had trouble with EVERYBODY but still won. thats what i'm talking about. everybody gave him plenty of frightening moments, none of his fights except maybe leon spinks and marvis frazier were really big blowouts. HE HAD TO EARN EVERY WIN. it wasnt easy for larry but he did it. thats a big part of his greatness. lewis woulda gave him just as much trouble as cooney or weaver or shavers or witherspoon or anybody else. if larry was in his 1979 prime he would beat lewis. but if larry was in the mid-80s, i think lewis wins.

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I just watched Round 1 again and a lot of the damage in that fight took place there and then. Ali hit George several times with left/right combinations and his right hand leads had George confused. Nobody had done that to George before. George was puffy around the left eye by round 2, he look bewildered. Ali knew he had his man early on in the fight, it was only a matter of time. George only had one basic plan and that was to load up and swing from the bleechers, by round 8 Foreman's tank was empty.
George states he was psychologically damaged after the Ali fight, Ali was never the same either after the Thriller In Manilla. Perhaps it's best we didn't see them go at it again.
How would Holmes have handled a 30 year old more experienced big George in 1979?
Foreman was a beast, tamed by one of the greatest ring tacticians of all time.

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Good question about George v Holmes that would be really interesting. I would go with Holmes.

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That is my all time favorite fantasy match up. I go with Holmes too. Would of done his legacy the world of good.

I think Holmes beats all those guys from the 60's/ 70's.

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Not Ali but may be Frazier, now that would be a classic Holmes v Frazier.

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I think Frazier gives Holmes as much trouble as he gave ALI, Holmes probably would have outboxed big George. Holmes possessed one of the best jabs in boxing history, it would only be a matter of staying away from Foreman's big shots. (easier said than done) A 30 yr old experienced big George would have been a formidable foe, but Holmes by decision. Frazier would be a nightmare for Holmes, all those angles, all that movement and that left hook!

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Holmes not only had the best jab ever of the heavyweight greats he also had an amazing chin and recovery powers. I think that would have helped him survive and beat Frazier. It would have been a a hell of a fight.

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Holmes was tough, i just watched the Shavers knockdown, now if big George hits him like that what happens? I miss the 70's and all the great Heavyweights that were around then. Holmes deserves more credit than he gets, he would have made Lewis look foolish.

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Lets not get out of control here...Lennox Lewis holds his own and beats most of the past pound for pound best heavyweights....He is #4 of all time % at least....Lennox could beat any top HW on his best nights......He was tall used his height and range had a massive right hand and one punch stopping power when he needed to...He was a great finisher....To say Holmes makes him look foolish is just crazy talk

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Who at their peak in HW history would walk over Lewis at is peak?....Please don't tell me you are one ofg those who think he had a glass chin? One so fragile Mercer, Briggs, Tua could not dent....He had one of the best right hands and one of the best jabs plus one shot KO power he has amazing finishing ability plus he could box masterfully....

Patterson?...Sparked by Ingmar....Liston? The bully who folded under pressure...Marciano...The man had a handful of top names on his resume and half the hand was older then dirst when he beat them....Dempsey?....He was a CW in modern times....Frazier? Joes biggest asset was his work rate he crumbled at Foremans power and no reason to think he would fare better after a big LL right...Ali, Louis and Johnson are the only ones I can reasonably say would beat him 8 out of 10 times....

Now that you mention it, Frazier would spark Lewis, Foreman in 73 would do it too, Holmes by UD, the Tyson of 87/88 by KO, Ali by easy decision, Louis by KO...If Rahman could KO Lewis so would Sonny Liston. I'm not saying Lewis had a glass chin, he just got hit a helluva lot and that would mean trouble with a lot of the fighters i mentioned. I reckon Ken Norton gives him trouble, so would Lyle and Shavers. It is impossible to judge how he would fare against Johnson or Dempsey. I didn't even think he won the second Holyfield fight!
Lewis was a good average HW IMO.

Alot of oldtimer would have beaten Lewis and i am going to say easily. In the fight with Tua you can see why. The big shots comed from Tua. Lewis didn't land a single clean power shot. All his punches comed from up there with no power on them and in the best case on the top of Tuas head. Lets take Marciano for example.
He is shorter. This means even fewer power shots will reach him. Second the stamina! Tua don't have it. He is unnecessery big! Third Marciano has punching power in both hands! Forth he is much more educated and i think that he woudn't go so lame inside and let Lewis tie him! This was the bigest problem from Tua. Every time he stayed outside and let Lewis commit on going away from the ropes Tua landed some insane shots!

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Ok now youre gonna get me talkin'...:) Marciano was 1 of those guys who was blessed and I dont care when he woulda fought, what time period or how old walcott or moore or charles were, Marciano would persevere. He came along to show that to us. There are some people in history like this, though its rare. Power is the last thing lost, right? 1st round Walcott pounds Marciano like a fucking rag doll, jolting shots that make you wither. Fresh 1st round champion Jersey Joe, not even close to breaking a sweat or fatiguing, full force shots, head and body. Rocky took it in stride. as with the next 12 rounds.

OH AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE: EZZARD CHARLES WAS 32 years YOUNG when he fought Rocky, and had won 48 of his last 53 fights including against Joey Maxim THRICE, Bob Satterfield, Billy Gilliam, Jimmy Bivins THRICE, Rex Layne, Tommy Harrison, Jersey Joe Walcott, Joe Louis, Archie Moore, etc. He had only been knocked out ONCE in his career before fighting Marciano.

So these guys couldnt beat a slow, bald, 2 left feet, uncoordinated shoemaker?

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Ok now youre gonna get me talkin'...:) Marciano was 1 of those guys who was blessed and I dont care when he woulda fought, what time period or how old walcott or moore or charles were, Marciano would persevere. He came along to show that to us. There are some people in history like this, though its rare. Power is the last thing lost, right? 1st round Walcott pounds Marciano like a fucking rag doll, jolting shots that make you wither. Fresh 1st round champion Jersey Joe, not even close to breaking a sweat or fatiguing, full force shots, head and body. Rocky took it in stride. as with the next 12 rounds.

OH AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE: EZZARD CHARLES WAS 32 years YOUNG when he fought Rocky, and had won 48 of his last 53 fights including against Joey Maxim THRICE, Bob Satterfield, Billy Gilliam, Jimmy Bivins THRICE, Rex Layne, Tommy Harrison, Jersey Joe Walcott, Joe Louis, Archie Moore, etc. He had only been knocked out ONCE in his career before fighting Marciano.

So these guys couldnt beat a slow, bald, 2 left feet, uncoordinated shoemaker?

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Can't said it better!