Who do you think would win? Below is Eddie calling Haye out.
Eddie Chambers Says Let Him And Haye Fight Now, The Winner To Then Face Wladimir
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Who do you think would win? Below is Eddie calling Haye out.
Eddie Chambers Says Let Him And Haye Fight Now, The Winner To Then Face Wladimir
Eddie is a top fighter but he lacks interest.... Which is a contradiction of sorts because he is obviously interested in David Haye..
Hmmm...
David has poor punching technique when he loads up and Eddie can snipe beautifully (even in combination) if when he wants to and David's chin is so so so fragile, I could see Eddie doing a bit of a number on David.
Thing is, he could see all the flaws in the world on tape but he'd remain in his psychological shell until he actually found one in the ring. And because David's power is so legitimate, it's hard to see Chambers opening up and taking the initiative.
Ah fek it... Chambers will no doubt disappoint and let the fight go via UD. He's got the tools but he's no killer. :-\
Chambers has the skill to outbox Haye but i can see Chambers been negative as soon as he feels Hayes power. If its in England Haye stops him late with Chambers covering up not throwing back while not been that badly hurt the reff jumps in.
haye would KO him
Id like to think he would make a fight of it but realistically he wouldnt
I believe Chambers is an out of shape cruiserweight personally and I honestly think Haye would smoke him earlier on than the Klit managed to.
Haye would even smoke an in-shape Chambers at Cruiserweight also.
If there is a fight that i could care less about than this is probably it. Eddie was ko'ed by a phanton punch so he sure as hell can't take a real one. And haye as a whole is just laughable. Chambers this month and then which non klitchko will he not fight next. But hey can't blame the promoters for this one. If they were able to get more than ten people to care about and watch his last fight, then why not ? They could probably even make it for a belt for what any of those retarded belts are worth.
Haye by TKO.
Well #1 the fight will never happen as Eddie is too young (as in he's not 36 years old) and technically sound #2 Eddie's chin isn't bad, he ate a load of crosses vs Wlad and he's got good defense.
I think its an ugly boring decision win for whoever is most effective with their punches.
Unless Chambers becomes Haye's mandatory, or is willing to go in there for a very low fee, don't see why Haye would want to make this fight, but stranger things happen all the time I suppose.
I think Haye would get the KO in 4-5.
I'd actually love to see this fight, am I alone?
I think Chambers can take Haye, certainly he's the best fighter he would have ever faced as a heavyweight by a large distance.
He handled Sam Peters' power ok and went 12 rounds with Wlad. His only ever loss is to Povetkin, again on points.
I certainly don't see Haye getting him out of there in 4 or 5 rounds, Monte Barrett lasted that long.
I think it either goes to a decision which Haye wins if his power is enough to force Chambers to fight defensively or else Haye gasses and Chambers piles it on to win late.
No more than 60/40 in Hayes favour imo, maybe 55-45 is about right.
Chambers throws straighter (and therefore quicker) punches and I think IF he was focused on countering he'd have a good chance of winning.
The way the WBA title holder loves to load up on the overhand right Chambers could pick that off all night long.
Haye seems more and more a ticking timebomb at hvy. Needs to seriously get with the program and make a statement if he wants to leave legacy of any sort less his stamina, chin or just plain lack of interest catch up to him. He cant fight complete tomato cans as Champion and he cant-wont fight serious top threats. He's stuck in a way and is waisting time fighting an also ran in Eddie chambers. Yeh he may make mega payday with this back home but your bank account is not included in the record book.
Just saw a pic of the WBA title holder and RJJ having a stare down.....if that fight happens I swear to God I'm going to fly to Cyprus or England or where ever that bastard is and kick him square in the balls what a pathetic gold bricking phony of a heavyweight!!! Not enough bad shit can happen to him!
Sure Wlad is fighting Dereck Chisora, but #1 Chisora is a legit heavyweight #2 he's undefeated and #3 he's relatively young. So before anyone says anything about who Wlad is fighting you can be damn sure its not a washed up light heavyweight.
No way is that going to happen, it's not even being mooted, just fightnews putting a headline to a picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I wouldn't put it past either of them
Well i kinda over Haye really been waiting a long time for him to do somthing. Pretty much all he has done it beat the giant and hell a fucking grandpa Holyfeild did that.
I don't think Eddie would likely win, like somebody said on here, he has incredibly fast hands maybe faster than Haye's, but Haye is more of a fighter with a lot more powerful and general athleticism. He jump in and still get power, he is a more dynamic counter puncher... I think Eddie has a decent chance, but he is just outgunned for the most part, but not like he was against Wladimir even if this fight were to end quicker.
Haye by late KO, Haye is not that crap.
Neither is Eddie Chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think you guys are seriously underestimating him
He has wins at heavyweight that rival David Hayes.
Calvin Brock, Sam Peter, Alexander Dimitrenko
All three imo are better opponents than Valuev, Barret, Ruiz and Harrison.
Chambers has been in with proven heavyweight opposition.
He was within a minute of going the distance with Wladimir Klitschko.
I really don't see anything in David Haye that suggests to me he's going to have an easy time with Chambers.
The only guys to beat him are Wlad, who I think most of us agree would beat Haye, and Povetkin, a fighter with one of the best workrates in the division.
Haye doesn't have a high workrate like Povetkin and unusually for him he has no advantage in speed. He will seek to trade and exchange with Chambers who might well beat him to the punch and school him.
Carl Froch did it to Abraham. Haye's power is overated as is his record.
I think if Eddie believes he can win this one.
I also belive Eddie believes he can win but if these's one thing about Haye that you cant overrate, it's his power.
Eddie's chin is sturdy enough to take a few pops from haye, has decent enough defense to block a lot of em. No way would this be an easy fight for haye and it would actually be his best win at heavy if he pulled it off.
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Originally Posted by armin
By a large margin imo. I think it would be the toughest fight of his career. Enzo was shit, Mormeck was finished by Bell, his heavyweight opp has been terrible.
Haye's resume is one of the poorest for any top level fighter imo. It's like Donaire's resume if take off Montiel and Darchinyan.
If Chambers has the self belief he takes Haye imo.
Bilbo, all that tosh you've wrote may well be true (apart from the "Haye's power is overrated" bit, that is clearly ridiculous, have you ever seen him NOT hurt someone?) but however overrated and crap Haye is, you can't deny he is a P4P certainty using your methods.
He cleaned out the cruiserweight division knocking out all his closest rivals, then stepped up a division to become a two weight "world" champion and remains unbeaten. That means he has risen to the top end of 2000 fighters. A win against Wlad puts him where? No.1? Donaire's equal?
You must currently rank him well above Froch, right?
Actually you are correct. In the past I have argued that acording to the criteria he is a p4p fighter. Go back a few months and you will see such threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However my personal assessment of him (which unlike you I do not let cloud my judgement when deciding p4p) is that his wins have been greatly over estimated.
Valuev was beaten 4 times prior to facing Haye, by Larry Donald, John Ruiz, Ruslan Chagaev and Evander Holyfield. He kept his belt because he was over 7ft tall, not because he beat those guys.
There's a whole queue of guys who have knocked out Enzo harder than Haye did, Bell demolished Mormeck, Tua demolished Ruiz., Causer demolished Barrett.
Haye hits hard, no question. But so does Miranda, Sam Peter, Chris Arreola, Artur Abraham etc. In the end though, when they came up against guys who weren't afraid and could fight, their power didn't mean a whole lot.
This is what I think will happen to Haye.
But, I don't let my personal assessment cloud my p4p rankings and don't disagree with you regarding potential p4p status. Critieria trumps personal opinion every time and my previous threads over the past year will confirm that.
Oh and yeah I wouldnt argue against him being rated above Froch.
Great stuff!
Haye is toilet. Fact. However, he is also one of the very best boxers on earth. Fact.
A fighter that is overrated, basically crap, has a terrible resume and no skills to speak of is a bombproof 100% P4P certainty. Interesting.
This sounds like a solid clash of styles. Naturally I would have to go with the boxer here. Eddie would outbox,and counter the hell out of Haye between those big looping shots. Haye would have to catch Eddie early and he has a shot otherwise after about five rounds it's easy pickings for Eddie.
Fenster, a lot of times I agree with you about your p4p arguments, but I don't agree with you about Haye at all. I believe that Chambers would be the best win on Haye's record thus far in his career by far. You say he cleaned out the cruiserweight division, but the division at that time was horrible. What was his best win at cruiserweight? Mormeck? Enzo (hah!)? Fraggomeni? Honestly, Haye's biggest win in his whole career was over Valuev. Eddie's wins over Sam Peters, Calvin Brock, and Alex Dimitrenko are as good as Haye's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh and Froch has a much better resume p4p than Haye. Froch's wins over Dirrell, Abraham and Pascal are better than the best Haye win.
When we are talking p4p, Adamek's resume is better. He was a champ at 175. He beat the best cruiserweight in the world in Cunningham at 200 - better than any of Haye's wins in his whole career. He then beat Arreola at heavyweight. I rank Arreola higher than Valuev, Harrison, and John Ruiz. Well, maybe not Valuev, but at least on par with Valuev.
My post was specifically aimed at Bilbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratFenster, a lot of times I agree with you about your p4p arguments, but I don't agree with you about Haye at all. I believe that Chambers would be the best win on Haye's record thus far in his career by far. You say he cleaned out the cruiserweight division, but the division at that time was horrible. What was his best win at cruiserweight? Mormeck? Enzo (hah!)? Fraggomeni? Honestly, Haye's biggest win in his whole career was over Valuev. Eddie's wins over Sam Peters, Calvin Brock, and Alex Dimitrenko are as good as Haye's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh and Froch has a much better resume p4p than Haye. Froch's wins over Dirrell, Abraham and Pascal are better than the best Haye win.
When we are talking p4p, Adamek's resume is better. He was a champ at 175. He beat the best cruiserweight in the world in Cunningham at 200 - better than any of Haye's wins in his whole career. He then beat Arreola at heavyweight. I rank Arreola higher than Valuev, Harrison, and John Ruiz. Well, maybe not Valuev, but at least on par with Valuev.
I agree with most of what you've written. Don't agree Valuev is a better opponent than Mormeck, Enzo (ha!) or Fraggomeni though. Only his size stopped Haye from sparking him in a round. And don't agree Adamek's win over Cunningham is better than anything Haye did. What makes Cunningham better than the lineal champion Mormeck or even WBO champion Enzo? Remember Enzo hadn't been sparked by everyman and his dog when Haye fought him.
1. I don't think Haye is a P4P candidate.
2. Not only is Froch's resume light-years better than Haye's, I believe Froch would kill him if matched P4P, although Haye does have a punchers chance against anyone.
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You say that. I laugh and nod my head in agreement. But then i remember that Wlad is fighting Chisora.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by Fenster
No you're twisting things here.
What I am saying is that when it comes to evaluating p4p, I don't allow my personal opinions on how someone might fair in hypothetical matchups skew an analysis of their acomplishments.
You asked me if I rate David Haye's wins personally and I told you, I think they are overatted. That is my personal opinion.
However, he was still the undisputed cruiserweight champion, and now a legitimate heavyweight belt holder making him a two weight world champ.
Any fighter who becomes undisputed in one weight class and then moves up and wins a belt in another weight class deserves to be considered when it comes to p4p rankings, do you disagree with this?
I didn't say he was in my own top ten p4p but I don't have a problem debating his merits.
Regarding Haye vs Carl Froch, if they both weighed the same I don't know who would win. To me it's not relavent. When assessing p4p I compare their respective acomplishments.
Froch to my mind has fought much the better opposition, but he has lost to Kessler, and won a controversial win over Dirrell. He looked brilliant against Abraham
Haye has not lost for several years and has pretty much dominated most of the people he has fought since moving up to heavyweight. He's also been an undisputed champion whilst Froch has not. Now he's a two weight world champ, which Froch is not.
On the other hand, the quality of his opposition is not as good as Froch's.
You could make a case either way as to which is rated higher p4p. I would probably have neither in my top 10 but Haye above Froch is fine by me.
The BBC have David Haye as number 1 British fighter with Froch at 2, Khan 3. I can certainly agree with that.
However they have Yuriorkis Gamboa at number 10 world p4p which is obviously ridiculous ;D
This ain't happenin....but Eddie would potentially break the egg that is Haye's chin.
true, Haye has a busy schedule before he retires and cannot fit this fight in. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonFlamenco
Chambers would be embarrased beaten up and knocked out by the 6th round. I have no doubt what so ever in that.