Eddie Chambers v. David Haye

[Rantcatrat]

Bilbo, all that tosh you've wrote may well be true (apart from the "Haye's power is overrated" bit, that is clearly ridiculous, have you ever seen him NOT hurt someone?) but however overrated and crap Haye is, you can't deny he is a P4P certainty using your methods.

He cleaned out the cruiserweight division knocking out all his closest rivals, then stepped up a division to become a two weight "world" champion and remains unbeaten. That means he has risen to the top end of 2000 fighters. A win against Wlad puts him where? No.1? Donaire's equal?

You must currently rank him well above Froch, right?

Fenster, a lot of times I agree with you about your p4p arguments, but I don't agree with you about Haye at all. I believe that Chambers would be the best win on Haye's record thus far in his career by far. You say he cleaned out the cruiserweight division, but the division at that time was horrible. What was his best win at cruiserweight? Mormeck? Enzo (hah!)? Fraggomeni? Honestly, Haye's biggest win in his whole career was over Valuev. Eddie's wins over Sam Peters, Calvin Brock, and Alex Dimitrenko are as good as Haye's.

Oh and Froch has a much better resume p4p than Haye. Froch's wins over Dirrell, Abraham and Pascal are better than the best Haye win.

When we are talking p4p, Adamek's resume is better. He was a champ at 175. He beat the best cruiserweight in the world in Cunningham at 200 - better than any of Haye's wins in his whole career. He then beat Arreola at heavyweight. I rank Arreola higher than Valuev, Harrison, and John Ruiz. Well, maybe not Valuev, but at least on par with Valuev.

[Fenster]

Bilbo, all that tosh you've wrote may well be true (apart from the "Haye's power is overrated" bit, that is clearly ridiculous, have you ever seen him NOT hurt someone?) but however overrated and crap Haye is, you can't deny he is a P4P certainty using your methods.

He cleaned out the cruiserweight division knocking out all his closest rivals, then stepped up a division to become a two weight "world" champion and remains unbeaten. That means he has risen to the top end of 2000 fighters. A win against Wlad puts him where? No.1? Donaire's equal?

You must currently rank him well above Froch, right?

Fenster, a lot of times I agree with you about your p4p arguments, but I don't agree with you about Haye at all. I believe that Chambers would be the best win on Haye's record thus far in his career by far. You say he cleaned out the cruiserweight division, but the division at that time was horrible. What was his best win at cruiserweight? Mormeck? Enzo (hah!)? Fraggomeni? Honestly, Haye's biggest win in his whole career was over Valuev. Eddie's wins over Sam Peters, Calvin Brock, and Alex Dimitrenko are as good as Haye's.

Oh and Froch has a much better resume p4p than Haye. Froch's wins over Dirrell, Abraham and Pascal are better than the best Haye win.

When we are talking p4p, Adamek's resume is better. He was a champ at 175. He beat the best cruiserweight in the world in Cunningham at 200 - better than any of Haye's wins in his whole career. He then beat Arreola at heavyweight. I rank Arreola higher than Valuev, Harrison, and John Ruiz. Well, maybe not Valuev, but at least on par with Valuev.

My post was specifically aimed at Bilbo.

I agree with most of what you've written. Don't agree Valuev is a better opponent than Mormeck, Enzo (ha!) or Fraggomeni though. Only his size stopped Haye from sparking him in a round. And don't agree Adamek's win over Cunningham is better than anything Haye did. What makes Cunningham better than the lineal champion Mormeck or even WBO champion Enzo? Remember Enzo hadn't been sparked by everyman and his dog when Haye fought him.

1. I don't think Haye is a P4P candidate.

2. Not only is Froch's resume light-years better than Haye's, I believe Froch would kill him if matched P4P, although Haye does have a punchers chance against anyone.