I'm surprised I haven't seen any polls on this yet. With the fight only a week away, who do you think wins the fight, how will it be won, and why do you think that? All opinions are welcome and respected.
Even hater opinions.
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I'm surprised I haven't seen any polls on this yet. With the fight only a week away, who do you think wins the fight, how will it be won, and why do you think that? All opinions are welcome and respected.
Even hater opinions.
;)
Cotto has hater in this forum? I don't think so.
I voted Cotto by late rd tko because he has become more cautious and well rounded boxer since working with Steward. He's gonna soften Mayorga first with bodyshots and the fight will be stopped in rd10. I think he's just too damn smart for Mayorga.
Cotto will win. Why ? Cause he's fighting Ricardo mayorga. He'll do like any fighter worth a crap does. He'll see mayorgas crazy style in real life , think holy crap and panic for a sec , adjust , wait for mayorga to tire then ko him or just beat him damn near to death . Ricardo is even talking about fighting pac next ....that in itself shows me how serious to take the guy. If cotto looses then he'll know it's time to quit
Cotto by late TKO. Cotto's loses were from extraordinary circumstances, Margarito is a CHEAT and with his fight with PAC he was with a not so good trainer. Too bad the beating he took from the margarito fight alone softened his facial strcuture but otherwise as long as he is healed up he will destroy Mayorga. Cotto is the perfect blend of power and technique, Mayorga will not win.
i never liked cotto, and dont some knee-jerker come on here and say i'm raacist----i nevber liked cotto, period. is he skilled? yes. is he a good fighter? absolutely IMO. BUT IS HE A GREAT FIGHTER? NO. Not inmy opinion. He's like a ken Norton. really really good, but never making it to greatness. Will Mayorga win? Maybe. He's 37, and thats a 7 year disadvantage against 30 yr old Cotto. Thats a bad spread. But I like Mayorga. I like the quirky ones, the herky jerky ones, the impervious ones, the unorthodox ones. Mayorga by TKO in 3 or less. Shock the world. Gets a shot at Pacquiao, and will get KTFO in 1 round Im sure.
Cotto beats Mayorga easy.
Cotto will win. He's the less washed up of the two anyway, and even if they were at or around their best I'd take Cotto, he's an all round better fighter.
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
PSL.... meet ross. Ross, meet PSL.
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At there best? I would never pick Cotto to beat Forrest. So at there best, I'll go with Mayorga just because Cotto chin has never been great. But this fight, we don't know what Cotto is bringing. If he gets backed up, and give Mayorga confidence, it's going to be a long night for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
Sidenote: Arum is the best promoter today. He already mini promoted Pacman vs Mayorga. Already got Margarito vs Cotto 2 lined up. Already told JMM to get away from DLH in order to get a fight against Pacman. The man sees $$$$$.
at his best i'd never pick Mayorga to beat the Mosley that Cotto beat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant LiveAt there best? I would never pick Cotto to beat Forrest. So at there best, I'll go with Mayorga just because Cotto chin has never been great. But this fight, we don't know what Cotto is bringing. If he gets backed up, and give Mayorga confidence, it's going to be a long night for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
Sidenote: Arum is the best promoter today. He already mini promoted Pacman vs Mayorga. Already got Margarito vs Cotto 2 lined up. Already told JMM to get away from DLH in order to get a fight against Pacman. The man sees $$$$$.
as huge of a Cotto fan that I am, I have to painfully agree with this statement. Cotto just isn't the same fighter he was before his assault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
Mosley was well past his best by the time he fought Cotto also though, and probably only slightly more faded when Mayorga gave him such a tough fight a year or so later. Going by all that I think there's every chane that a PRIME Mayorga would have won a decision against old Shane, but so what. Prime for prime of course Mosley stops him 10 times out of ten. I don't think Cotto would have really had much of a chance against either at their best though honestly, or many other truly elite welterweights of the last 20 years. Couldn't see Miguel beating a prime Oscar, Tito, Quartey, Forrest, Mosley, Floyd, or even Mayorga due to styles. Obviously they would have all been great action fights, I just don't quite rate his chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesat his best i'd never pick Mayorga to beat the Mosley that Cotto beat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant LiveAt there best? I would never pick Cotto to beat Forrest. So at there best, I'll go with Mayorga just because Cotto chin has never been great. But this fight, we don't know what Cotto is bringing. If he gets backed up, and give Mayorga confidence, it's going to be a long night for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
Sidenote: Arum is the best promoter today. He already mini promoted Pacman vs Mayorga. Already got Margarito vs Cotto 2 lined up. Already told JMM to get away from DLH in order to get a fight against Pacman. The man sees $$$$$.
Cotto by mid round TKO in this one though.
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Originally Posted by p4pkingMosley was well past his best by the time he fought Cotto also though, and probably only slightly more faded when Mayorga gave him such a tough fight a year or so later. Going by all that I think there's every chane that a PRIME Mayorga would have won a decision against old Shane, but so what. Prime for prime of course Mosley stops him 10 times out of ten. I don't think Cotto would have really had much of a chance against either at their best though honestly, or many other truly elite welterweights of the last 20 years. Couldn't see Miguel beating a prime Oscar, Tito, Quartey, Forrest, Mosley, Floyd, or even Mayorga due to styles. Obviously they would have all been great action fights, I just don't quite rate his chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesat his best i'd never pick Mayorga to beat the Mosley that Cotto beat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant LiveAt there best? I would never pick Cotto to beat Forrest. So at there best, I'll go with Mayorga just because Cotto chin has never been great. But this fight, we don't know what Cotto is bringing. If he gets backed up, and give Mayorga confidence, it's going to be a long night for Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryboy
Sidenote: Arum is the best promoter today. He already mini promoted Pacman vs Mayorga. Already got Margarito vs Cotto 2 lined up. Already told JMM to get away from DLH in order to get a fight against Pacman. The man sees $$$$$.
Every time I read that, I gotta bring up Mosley-Margarito, which happened after Cotto-Mosley. Style differences notwithstanding, Mosley brought it that night... and put a fearful beating on Margacheato. So he couldn't have been THAT much "past his best." Now fast forward to Mosley-Mayweather, and THERE you had signs of a Mosley suddenly looking past his best.
Okay, I gotta say this, I am not a Cotto fan but I just don't understand how people can be confident that Mayorga is going to win. I personally have a feeling that Mayorga is going to win this fight because he will get in Cotto's head but this is just a hunch and I have no sound reasoning behind this. Sure Mayorga can apply pressure and make Cotto brawl and possibly try to turn it into a Margarito-ish type fight but the problem is that Mayorga is not Margarito(for better or worse). Cotto lost to a bigger well conditioned man who applied unrelenting pressure and was able to essentially walk thru his punches in Antonio. Mayorga is 37 and he is not well conditioned so that scenario is out in my opinion. Now Mayorga could catch Cotto with one of those wild punches but Cotto is a decent boxer and should be able to avoid the huge ones. I would love to pick Mayorga but with his lifestyle and his style in the ring he's too much of a question mark. I didn't mean for this to be that long but I am just puzzled at how much confidence people have in Mayorga winning.
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Originally Posted by chinchekked
Well... thus far there's only 3 Mayorga votes, and one of them is an avowed Cotto-hater, so that one probably doesn't count. So you really only got 2 intelligent Mayorga votes out of 15, or about 13%.
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I was nto basing this solely on the poll, what motivated the creation of that post was alot of the banter I have come across on other threads in the past couple of weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by chinchekked
Well... thus far there's only 3 Mayorga votes, and one of them is an avowed Cotto-hater, so that one probably doesn't count. So you really only got 2 intelligent Mayorga votes out of 15, or about 13%.
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Easy fight for Cotto. Mayorga is a bum.
I would sig bet him if I were you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
PSL.... meet ross. Ross, meet PSL.
:cool:
Hhahaha!
I get why titofan has been such a little pissy pants now! After that sigbet remark I looked at his sig. I didnt realise he was a Peurto Rican. Does he think that because I know Mayorga will win that that means I despise Peurto Rico? Is boxing, or Cotto all they have or something?;D
It's PUERTO Rico sir.
So honestly, what are the excuses going to be when Cotto wins? OOhhh mayorga is old? Mayorga wasn't in shape? Mayorga is past his prime(DUH)?
I'm gonna pick Mayorga, mainly because I like him more than Cotto. I think cotto has every chance to win by boxing and staying away from Mayorga. If he tries to exchange too much or loses his legs later in the fight he's gonna get stopped by the naturally bigger harder punching Mayorga. I'm gonna go with late tko for Mayorga, I would rather see him against Pac than Cotto again. Cotto-Margarito can still happen if Cotto loses. People also don't think Mayorga can box, but he isn't as bad as they would suggest. He boxed against Vargas and Mosely, and was up on one of the cards going into that last round.
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Originally Posted by ross
First learn how to spell, loser. It's Puerto Rico, as you were already told. And psssst... by the way, that little rectangle with the red and white stripes and the lone star.... that's the Puerto Rican flag. You should've been paying more attention in 5th grade.
But you're welcome to come over and I'll show you around... give you a little lesson in geography. Just get a note from your mommy so you don't get in trouble, ok?
;)
Pac-Mayorga don't even suggest that shit!
Mayorga is well past it we're only going to see more of what we've already seen of him vs top competition....that's Mayorga swinging and missing and getting countered violently. Cotto TKO 8-10
Gotta go with Cotto. They say skill beats will and Cotto on his worst day is miles ahead of Mayorga in skill and for that matter will...Mayorga has become accustomed to losing the big ones and playing his role to a tee. Been there-done that and just spell my name right on the check Mr. Arum :-X
Mayorgas only chance is to blitz him early. He has to shoot his load and know Cotto himself is boardering on spent shell status. Make him see ghosts. He's big, very physical and just don't give a fook but you really don't get to Cotto early, ya have to last and wear him out. Mayorga don't have the stamina or focus late.
I'm woefully bad at picking fights but for what its worth I think Cotto softens up Mayorga early on the way to a mid round stoppage.
I had a dream last night: seriously. Mayorga knocks Cotto down in the early 3rd round, like 20 seconds in. It's more of a balance knock down, but the punch connected and the ref gives Cotto an 8 count with Cotto smirking and smiling to say he's OK. Mayorga hams it up raising his arms. When the action resumes, Cotto throws a haymaker because he's mad at the whole thing and mad at Mayorga's behaviors. The haymaker misses, and Mayorga throws a weird-angled shot that really does put cotto down to his knees against the ropes. It's not a KO punch, and cotto grabs the top rope to help pull himself up, as the ref reaches a 4-count. Cotto easily beats the count but now is a bit buzzed. In my dream, a wild Mayorga then spins Cotto around and during a call for them to break by the ref, MAYORGA HITS COTTO BEHIND THE HEAD AND IS DQ'ed. I'm not changing my prediction about Mayorga winning by KO, Im only relating the dream I had last night. Mayorga shoots himself in the foot with a dirty foul and gets disqual'ed. in the 3rd.
Cotto wins tko late roundz. Mayorga wont land that lucky punch he need to win the fight no way.
So Mayorga was more skillfull than Forrest and Vargas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
i like both guys tho cotto is one of my fav fighters so i hope he wins and wins looking good with it..........what channel in the uk is showing this???
Nah will and freshness was there 8 yrs and 4-5 losses ago. He did well...gave Forrest the 2nd go. I would say he was more skilled, for what thats worth, then a shot to pieces bloated Vargas who looked more Odlandier Solis.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSo Mayorga was more skillfull than Forrest and Vargas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Pacqauio would whip Mayorga's ass but he sure as hell wouldn't KO him in 1 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
In any case, I like that 80% of people are going with the safe favorite and picking Cotto in some fashion. Good. I like rooting for the under dogs and Mayorga is my favorite fighter.
The more I've thought about it the more I've begun to see the fight as Mayorga imposing his size, will, and power on Cotto, landing hard shots and stopping Cotto in the middle or later rounds.
Cotto is hittable. More hittable than other fighters Mayorga has faced. Mayorga may overwhelm Cotto early a la the Ricardo Torres fight, but with Mayorga coming out on top. OR Mayorga could get taken out himself with a sharply timed counter by Cotto OR from a great body shot or series of body shots.
It looks to be a competitive fight. People are underestimating Mayorga a lot in this fight. This is his LAST chance to make a living, to set up one more super fight after this. This is his last shot at redemption.
I watched a video on esnewsreporting.com, its Elie Seckbachs site. He was interviewing Doug Fischer from maxboxing and another bloke, they both took the safe pick but Doug contradicted himself by saying Cotto is easy to hit with uppercuts and overhand rights and thats what Mayorga is good at. He also said that he had spoken with Shane Mosley and interestingly he said that Mayorga is quicker than Cotto, I reckon he got that from Shane. What he did say that Shane told him is anyone who fights Mayorga has to watch out for the looping punches that land behind the ear and on top of the head and then those uppercuts. Mayorga hasnt stopped anyone decent for a while but he is so strong that his punches knock his opponents around the ring. He even did that with Oscar and Oscar actually told Shane that Mayorga has very heavey hands.Hes not a Trinidad, clean power type puncher but more a George Foreman bludgeoning type puncher. His punches will deffinitly be knocking Cotto around and I just dont see Cottos having as much of an effect on Mayorga as alot of easily led people here would have you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Also for Mayorga to publcly lift his top to show off his physique, he must be proud of his training he has done. He wasnt as ripped as Manny but never will be at this weight but he was in better looking shape than the Mosley fight.
Well with hard evidence like that we can now be sure Mayorga is going to win ! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI watched a video on esnewsreporting.com, its Elie Seckbachs site. He was interviewing Doug Fischer from maxboxing and another bloke, they both took the safe pick but Doug contradicted himself by saying Cotto is easy to hit with uppercuts and overhand rights and thats what Mayorga is good at. He also said that he had spoken with Shane Mosley and interestingly he said that Mayorga is quicker than Cotto, I reckon he got that from Shane. What he did say that Shane told him is anyone who fights Mayorga has to watch out for the looping punches that land behind the ear and on top of the head and then those uppercuts. Mayorga hasnt stopped anyone decent for a while but he is so strong that his punches knock his opponents around the ring. He even did that with Oscar and Oscar actually told Shane that Mayorga has very heavey hands.Hes not a Trinidad, clean power type puncher but more a George Foreman bludgeoning type puncher. His punches will deffinitly be knocking Cotto around and I just dont see Cottos having as much of an effect on Mayorga as alot of easily led people here would have you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Also for Mayorga to publcly lift his top to show off his physique, he must be proud of his training he has done. He wasnt as ripped as Manny but never will be at this weight but he was in better looking shape than the Mosley fight.
I'm with you though man. Lets keep our fingers crossed that Mayorga's power and unorthodox style can pull off the upset.
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Originally Posted by rossI watched a video on esnewsreporting.com, its Elie Seckbachs site. He was interviewing Doug Fischer from maxboxing and another bloke, they both took the safe pick but Doug contradicted himself by saying Cotto is easy to hit with uppercuts and overhand rights and thats what Mayorga is good at. He also said that he had spoken with Shane Mosley and interestingly he said that Mayorga is quicker than Cotto, I reckon he got that from Shane. What he did say that Shane told him is anyone who fights Mayorga has to watch out for the looping punches that land behind the ear and on top of the head and then those uppercuts. Mayorga hasnt stopped anyone decent for a while but he is so strong that his punches knock his opponents around the ring. He even did that with Oscar and Oscar actually told Shane that Mayorga has very heavey hands.Hes not a Trinidad, clean power type puncher but more a George Foreman bludgeoning type puncher. His punches will deffinitly be knocking Cotto around and I just dont see Cottos having as much of an effect on Mayorga as alot of easily led people here would have you believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Also for Mayorga to publcly lift his top to show off his physique, he must be proud of his training he has done. He wasnt as ripped as Manny but never will be at this weight but he was in better looking shape than the Mosley fight.
That was a well thought-out post, with quotes from 3rd parties, and no hint of hate for either fighter.
All of which leads me to say......
Who are you and what have you done with Ross?
(Pssssst.... whatever you did with him is fine. And welcome to the forum).
If Cotto managed to take punches from the best 1 punch ko artist in Mosley why can't he take shots from Mayorga.
By the way, presscons with Mayorga is always funny and interesting.
Ricardo Mayorga Reacts to Snub by Miguel Cotto
Skill beats will?? You try telling Rocky Balboa that mister!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli