Sam Peter vs Robert Helenius 4-2-2011

Well this is quite interesting in my opinion. Sure Sam Peter may be heavily damaged after that last beating he took from Wladimir, but I for one am not sold on Helenius being all that great. Yes Helenius took out Lamon Brewster who was old and was also suffering after a devistating prolonged beat down from Wladimir, but I think Sam Peter is still a very live fighter and if he comes to fight in shape he can bull through Helenius. The fight will be held in Germany so I believe that will probably affect anyone who thinks Sam Peter would win a decision.

What are your views?

Peters is another fat lazy pathetic excuse for a heavyweight...if this fight happens Peters will stick around for a few rounds and then look for the exit door...hope he gets paid well cause this will possibly b his last big pay check

job biscuit (another rubbish heavyweight)!!!

eh eh!!!

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Peters is another fat lazy pathetic excuse for a heavyweight...if this fight happens Peters will stick around for a few rounds and then look for the exit door...hope he gets paid well cause this will possibly b his last big pay check

job biscuit (another rubbish heavyweight)!!!

eh eh!!!

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Just because Wlad made it look easy to beat him and just because he quit vs Vitali, which IMO he redeemed himself from with his efforts vs Nagy Aguilera and vs Wlad who he tried hard to land punches on but he couldn't close distance.

He's not a bad fighter, yes he did suffer from being lazy in a few bouts, but I think he's still a serviceable heavyweight and he could earn another title shot if he keeps training hard and keeps his weight in the 235-241 range. I just think Helenius is a bit green and at 14 (9 KO)-0-0 with his biggest wins to date being vs an old one eyed Lamon Brewster who accused Helenius of loading his wraps and former Valuev punching bag Taras Bidenko I just don't see it being an easy fight.

Helenius is not always in phenomenal shape himself and say what you will about Sam Peter, the guy is durable.

It really don't matter...all heavyweights should all get a reality check..most people couldn't give a toss about this pitiful division....i wish i could say the future is going to get bettet and the next coming of a Tyson or Lewis is going to ignite this once great division back to its full glory but i can't cause it aint...to be honest with u they should banish the division before it gets ignored by every one but fools will b fools and will go back for more and then complain they have been short changed.

job biscuit (thank god for the other weight divisions)!!!

eh eh!!!

I don't complain about the division probably because I don't rest all my hopes on it to "bring boxing back". There are good fights and bad fights in all weight classes and no division takes more shit than the heavyweights...some of it is deserved but a lot of it isn't.

Sam Peter-Robert Helenius is a crossroads matchup, both fighters have a lot to lose and a lot to gain. Sam Peter is trending down, he's older, he's been beaten convincingly by top fighters, and Helenius is trending upwards he's 27, he's unbeaten, he hasn't really been tested, and I think he'll look to make a statement vs Sam Peter as opposed to just winning the fight which is where things can get exciting.

The big issue with the heavyweight division is that the entertaining fights aren't always on tv and the intriguing matchups don't always live up to the hype.

Helenius has been presented by some people as possibly the next big thing, but i don't see something special about him. If Sam Peter comes in at around 240 pounds and motivated he wins this one by KO.

After having looked at a few clips of Helenius I think I've got him pegged. He's extremely upright, he looks a bit soft around the middle, he's robotic, he's got a good jab, solid power, loves to throw a sweeping right hook to the body (that'll haunt him), he's got a good uppercut as well, and although he punches with power he seems to arm punch a little....the jab and occasionally the right cross seem to have snap on them but other than that he's pushing his punches which tells me if he gets someone that can apply constat pressure and either has good defense or a good chin he's going to gas out and lose.

The more I've seen of Helenius the more I think Sam Peter can take him, but Sam is going to have to be in shape and he's going to have to want to win, Helenius won't just lie down for him.

There is a chance if Peter unloads a left hook at the right time that we'll see a Jeremy Williams-esque KO in Sam Peter's favor.

Who necks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liwDVF69Cis
Who necks to kick his ass? I think Helenius.

Have you seen Helenius or do you think he'll win just because you think Sam Peter is washed up?

Sam Peter COULD very well be washed up but I think even if he is he's in better shape than Brewster was when he fought Helenius and it will be a hard fight for him.

Helenius really doesn't impress me at all having seen him on youtube...his punches aren't crisp, his defense seems lackluster.....it looks like everyone he fights is there for a paycheck and not to compete.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well this is quite interesting in my opinion. Sure Sam Peter may be heavily damaged after that last beating he took from Wladimir, but I for one am not sold on Helenius being all that great. Yes Helenius took out Lamon Brewster who was old and was also suffering after a devistating prolonged beat down from Wladimir, but I think Sam Peter is still a very live fighter and if he comes to fight in shape he can bull through Helenius. The fight will be held in Germany so I believe that will probably affect anyone who thinks Sam Peter would win a decision.

What are your views?

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Boy you are on a one man crusade to hype up Sam Peter in order to make Wlad's wins over him look better aren't ya ? You crazy son of a bitch...;D;)

I think Sam Peter is pretty bad as far as boxing skills go, he may have power, but he has trouble getting inside on tall guys. Helenius has power as well and reach on him. Peter just comes in with his head up in the air asking you to jab him in the face. Little to no upper body movement, and he gets tired mid rounds. After about the 5th or 6th all you see from him is pawing jab, and then he tries to throw one big shot and usually misses. He does alright against smaller guys. I still cant believe he knocked down Wlad 3 times in that first fight.:p His most impressive win to me was Jameel McCline, he probably would have lost that if McCline didnt gas out.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

I think Sam Peter is pretty bad as far as boxing skills go, he may have power, but he has trouble getting inside on tall guys. Helenius has power as well and reach on him. Peter just comes in with his head up in the air asking you to jab him in the face. Little to no upper body movement, and he gets tired mid rounds. After about the 5th or 6th all you see from him is pawing jab, and then he tries to throw one big shot and usually misses. He does alright against smaller guys. I still cant believe he knocked down Wlad 3 times in that first fight.:p His most impressive win to me was Jameel McCline, he probably would have lost that if McCline didnt gas out.

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most those knockdowns on Wlad came from shots behind the head so not so shocking, and IMO the Maskaev win was a lot more of a big win than McCline

He got knocked down three times against McCline, and came back to win, thats a lil more impressive than knocking out a guy known for having a weak chin. 7 losses 7 k.o.'s and look who else has knocked him out....Nagy Aguilera, Lance Whitaker, Corey Sanders(not the one who knocked out Wlad the 350lb whale one).

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well this is quite interesting in my opinion. Sure Sam Peter may be heavily damaged after that last beating he took from Wladimir, but I for one am not sold on Helenius being all that great. Yes Helenius took out Lamon Brewster who was old and was also suffering after a devistating prolonged beat down from Wladimir, but I think Sam Peter is still a very live fighter and if he comes to fight in shape he can bull through Helenius. The fight will be held in Germany so I believe that will probably affect anyone who thinks Sam Peter would win a decision.

What are your views?

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Boy you are on a one man crusade to hype up Sam Peter in order to make Wlad's wins over him look better aren't ya ? You crazy son of a bitch...;D;)

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Haha, nah I'm not hyping Sam Peter but I do respect him because like him or not when he was offered fights vs the Klitschko's he took them and he tried albeit he didn't do so well.

The reason I think Sam Peter can win is because I think Helenius is garbage. Watch him and tell me he's "the next big thing"

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well this is quite interesting in my opinion. Sure Sam Peter may be heavily damaged after that last beating he took from Wladimir, but I for one am not sold on Helenius being all that great. Yes Helenius took out Lamon Brewster who was old and was also suffering after a devistating prolonged beat down from Wladimir, but I think Sam Peter is still a very live fighter and if he comes to fight in shape he can bull through Helenius. The fight will be held in Germany so I believe that will probably affect anyone who thinks Sam Peter would win a decision.

What are your views?

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Boy you are on a one man crusade to hype up Sam Peter in order to make Wlad's wins over him look better aren't ya ? You crazy son of a bitch...;D;)

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Haha, nah I'm not hyping Sam Peter but I do respect him because like him or not when he was offered fights vs the Klitschko's he took them and he tried albeit he didn't do so well.

The reason I think Sam Peter can win is because I think Helenius is garbage. Watch him and tell me he's "the next big thing"

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I used to like Sam Peter, he looked great against James Toney in their rematch. Showed good poise and boxing ability. But against Maskeav he looked like shit, and in most matches since he has looked like shit. He did not put up a good effort agianst Vitali, but I'll agree against Wlad he showed great heart.

I just think the Sam Peter that Helenius is going to fight has a lot more left than the Lamon Brewster he fought. If Sam Peter trains hard he WILL win, if he doesn't he could still land a lucky punch....Helenius is not very mobile if his jab doesn't stop Sam Peter he'll be in for a long night.

I just hope the loss to Wlad hasn't hurt the momentum Sam was building up the win over Nagy Aguilera was one of his more inspired performances.

If Helenius does win and he does so easily he should immediately look at top level challengers.

Tell ya the truth I never seen this Helenius character and don't care to.

I'd rather see Peter smash Solis.

Solis is a fat overhyped pig.

I think Vitali will beat him to the punch on Solis, but that wouldn't be a bad rebound match for Solis.

I would still like to see Sam Peter-Cris Arreola to see the 'Crisco Kid' get walloped again.

Vitali should pound him. But I cannot stand Vitali either so its not going to be satisfying.

I actually like Chris Arreola better than Peter. Arreola is a warrior. Showed that against Vitali.

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Vitali should pound him. But I cannot stand Vitali either so its not going to be satisfying.

I actually like Chris Arreola better than Peter. Arreola is a warrior. Showed that against Vitali.

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...it would still be a good fight especially if ESPN were able to pick it up

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Vitali should pound him. But I cannot stand Vitali either so its not going to be satisfying.

I actually like Chris Arreola better than Peter. Arreola is a warrior. Showed that against Vitali.

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...it would still be a good fight especially if ESPN were able to pick it up

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Couldn't be any worse than some of the fights they put on Friday Night Fights.

I miss the days when we had Wendesday night fights AND Friday night fights. And they were good cards !

Augustus, Bailey, Pemberton, Sheika, Ward. All action fighters.

Well they just had the final presser for this fight...I'm kind of excited for this fight even though I won't be able to see it until it's put on youtube. I think if Peter comes in under 245 he's got a great chance of winning...Helenius looks a little soft at times and there's no reason for that now, this is a very dangerous fight no matter how Sam Peter looked against Wladimir...that's due to how good Wlad is not how bad Sam Peter is

Well with the weights coming in I will officially retract everything positive I said about Sam Peter

Sam Peter 260 - Robert Helenius 239

...I forsee a late stoppage winner by TKO Helenius

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Sam Peter 260 - Robert Helenius 239

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Now thats a good opportunity for Helenius.

I like Helenius by TKO. I like him even more after the weigh-in. The last time Peter weighed in the 260s was against Chambers and he was dreadful in that fight. I think the fight has been beaten out of Peter. He has a lot more quit in him now than he did when he first fought Wladimir.

Its a shame but its what happens to heavyweights that just can't get over the top level competition. I just hate it for the division and well for Sam because when he is well trained and in good shape I like his chances vs anyone not named Klitschko. I thought this was a winnable fight for Sam, but seeing the extra weight I can only hope he weighed in with $10 worth of pennies in his pants and all his clothes on.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Its a shame but its what happens to heavyweights that just can't get over the top level competition. I just hate it for the division and well for Sam because when he is well trained and in good shape I like his chances vs anyone not named Klitschko. I thought this was a winnable fight for Sam, but seeing the extra weight I can only hope he weighed in with $10 worth of pennies in his pants and all his clothes on.

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Wouldn't quarters be easier ? That'd be a lot of pennies ;D

Yeah there are some unsung heroes in the heavyweight division, guys like Monte Barret, Shannon Briggs, lately Michael Grant. Guys that never quite could cut it at the top.

Helenius knocked him out in the ninth, now here come Lyle to say that it was Vitali and Wlad that softened him up. :p Peter is just not that good, gotta face facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hF1-RsxElk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hF1-RsxElk

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lol at the ref counting to 10.Peters wasnt even moving

Nice left hook and Helenius is better than what i thought. Who necks?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hF1-RsxElk

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That was nice. Left hooks both times, the knockout was two hard shots, straight right stunned him, and left hook finished the job.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well with the weights coming in I will officially retract everything positive I said about Sam Peter

Sam Peter 260 - Robert Helenius 239

...I forsee a late stoppage winner by TKO Helenius

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Originally Posted by No Contest

Helenius knocked him out in the ninth, now here come Lyle to say that it was Vitali and Wlad that softened him up. :p Peter is just not that good, gotta face facts.

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OK No Contest, do you think Sam Peter was in good shape? Vs Vitali he wasn't in good shape either, but vs Wlad yes he was in good fighting shape and he was motivated and had that Sam Peter shown up then I HIGHLY doubt Helenius would have stopped him....Would he have still beaten him? Maybe, but Peter stood a better chance if he was in shape.

Helenius doesn't impress me, he's like Liakhovich with a little more pop.

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Originally Posted by No Contest

I think Sam Peter is pretty bad as far as boxing skills go, he may have power, but he has trouble getting inside on tall guys. Helenius has power as well and reach on him. Peter just comes in with his head up in the air asking you to jab him in the face. Little to no upper body movement, and he gets tired mid rounds. After about the 5th or 6th all you see from him is pawing jab, and then he tries to throw one big shot and usually misses. He does alright against smaller guys. I still cant believe he knocked down Wlad 3 times in that first fight.:p His most impressive win to me was Jameel McCline, he probably would have lost that if McCline didnt gas out.

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True Peters is another in the crop of lazy heavyweights. Perhaps a fight between Chambers and Helenius would be a gauge as to where the young prospect scores. At this moment i don't see him beating someone at Chambers level.

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I think Sam Peter is pretty bad as far as boxing skills go, he may have power, but he has trouble getting inside on tall guys. Helenius has power as well and reach on him. Peter just comes in with his head up in the air asking you to jab him in the face. Little to no upper body movement, and he gets tired mid rounds. After about the 5th or 6th all you see from him is pawing jab, and then he tries to throw one big shot and usually misses. He does alright against smaller guys. I still cant believe he knocked down Wlad 3 times in that first fight.:p His most impressive win to me was Jameel McCline, he probably would have lost that if McCline didnt gas out.

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True Peters is another in the crop of lazy heavyweights. Perhaps a fight between Chambers and Helenius would be a gauge as to where the young prospect scores. At this moment i don't see him beating someone at Chambers level.

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It would be a step up, but I think Helenius has decent power. If he hits Chambers early then Chambers will go into a shell and wont be able to box against the taller guy. I think Helenius stops him as well.

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Helenius knocked him out in the ninth, now here come Lyle to say that it was Vitali and Wlad that softened him up. :p Peter is just not that good, gotta face facts.

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OK No Contest, do you think Sam Peter was in good shape? Vs Vitali he wasn't in good shape either, but vs Wlad yes he was in good fighting shape and he was motivated and had that Sam Peter shown up then I HIGHLY doubt Helenius would have stopped him....Would he have still beaten him? Maybe, but Peter stood a better chance if he was in shape.

Helenius doesn't impress me, he's like Liakhovich with a little more pop.

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Lyle, you must admit that neither Klitschko was able to KO Sam Peter. Vitali made him quit, and Wlad TKo'd him, but to flat out knock the man unconscious is somewhat impressive, no ?

Helenius is one of the best now but is a bad copy of Wlad. Nice Win but wlad kos him if they fight

This is officially the end of Samuel Peter, what a waste of space.

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This is officially the end of Samuel Peter, what a waste of space.

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Quite possibly, this was a horrible loss for him.