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Cotto questions: ANSWERED
I know Ross won't be in here for awhile and probably won't see this post. But here's some tidbits from the weeks leading up to the fight last night:
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Originally Posted by
ross
A prime Cotto? Which one is that? The one that got wobbled and stunned at light welter or the one that got beat up and quit at welter?
Answer: Neither. The Cotto that beat the shit out of your man last night, who BTW was the one who quit.
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ross
You watch Mayorga train its 100 miles an hour. You watch Cotto train, its like a tortoise with a hangover;D
Moral of the story: Don't always go by appearances in training. Like Bruce Lee told "scarface" before he mopped the floor with him on "Enter the Dragon": "Boards don't hit back." And speaking of trains... it was Mayorga who got run over by the "Cotto train" last night. Go figure.
;)
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TitoFan
Difference being, if Mayorga gets KTFO'ed out on March 12, Hulk will be here talking about the fight with the rest of us. Whereas you will mysteriously disappear for awhile, only to come back later on and keep hating on Cotto.
Dont worry;)
Oh but I do worry. A couple of token posts after the fight, and we probably won't see your sorry ass in here for a couple of weeks, by which time you'll have forgotten all about last night, and be thinking of new reasons to hate on Cotto.
;)
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ross
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Hulk
I hope Mayorga has trained his ass off and has a game plan, one a bit more intelligent than the one he explained to Al Bernstien "I'm going to throw a four punch combination and knock him out." ;D
Apparently he has and No he wont have any plan other than throw hard and fast;D
Cotto couldnt keep out of plodding Margaritos way:cool:
And yet he had more than enough movement to steer clear of Mayorga's headlong rushes. Go figure.
;)
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ross
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koppas
Lennox obviously has plaster in his wraps - he retired pretty quickly following that fight.
;D
Exactly! Its absurd to suddenly think, anyone with a cut face from punch must have been facing someone with loaded wraps. Its just people trying to find an excuse for Cotto getting battered.
Vitali got cut earlier than Cotto did too. It was mainly down to Cottos shite defence and the fact that if hes not the stronger man hes fuucked!
Im looking forward to the excuses and backtracking when cotto loses again;D
And I'm looking forward to you coming in here and owning up to your misguided hatred and admit you were wrong. But I'm probably expecting too much out of you.
Oh, and BTW... "and the fact that if he's (Cotto) not the stronger man he's fucked".... Just another of your "pronouncements" where you've been dead wrong. Not so much the authority now, eh sport?
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ross
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CutMeMick
Keep in mind both Jennings & Foreman were fights coming off of loses.
Mayorga would beat those 2;)
Neither of those 2 were capable of bullying Cotto and neither is a puncher. They were picked for Cotto so he doesnt crumble mentally again. Arum is trying to squeeze money out of him and I reckon if he didnt have Margarito and Pacquiao lined up for him that he would probably have retired by now, or still be enjoying the time off before making an unsuccessfull comeback.
Cottos heart isnt in this any more, at least not when he gets in a real fight again.
Again, you have this bug up your ass about Cotto's supposed lack of mental fortitude. You make these broad statements and anybody would think you know what the hell you're talking about, when actually you're as ignorant a HATER as they come. What about Cotto's mental fortitude now, asswipe?
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ross
Oscar, Tito and Shane had never taken the 2 beatings that Cottos has. When he starts having to take big shots again he will cave in.
Mayorga lost those fights because of lack of preparation, he was inactive for long periods before hand and still had to be litterally nailed down before he would stop fighting. Cotto doesnt have the fire power or mental fortitude to weather any storm and come back at this point and against someone so much stronger than him. My opinion is that Cotto will be like Tyson against Holyfield, or Williams. Hes there for the money and doesnt have the strong will to win any more for anyone that can take his shots and fire back.
Also, iv read a few times now that Steward wants Cotto jabbing and moving. I just feel that is playing in to Mayorgas hands even more. Cotto needs to be in his face up close, to take away the space Mayorga likes to swing. Not backing up and encouraging Mayorga to get in to a rythm.
Again... "Cotto will cave when pressure by the stronger man"... "Cotto doesn't have the mental fortitude".... "Cotto's only in it for the money".... "Cotto is ugly and I don't like him"... "Cotto reminds me of a bully who gave me a wedgie in elementary school"..... blah, blah, blah.
I could go on all day, but you get the point. (Or at least you would if you were man enough to own up to your misguided hatred). And don't even get me started on you wishing that Cotto's shoulder surgery was bothering him in the ring... 'cause that borders on emotional retardation.
Have a nice day.
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Re: Cotto questions: ANSWERED
Miguel Cotto is the epitomy of balanced power and skills but vulnerable to keep things exciting. Cotto is a very classy and humble fighter, I'm proud to say I'm a big fan:)
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Agreed who should he fight next?
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I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
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Master
Ross and Hulk :-X
in all fairness Hulk was just backing his guy, he gave credit where credit is due (although i don't know what fight he was watching cause Mayorga was never effective and only "hurt" Cotto with 5 or 6 repeated shots to the back of the head)
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TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly. Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
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Master
Agreed who should he fight next?
Andre Berto at 147 lbs.
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Master
Agreed who should he fight next?
Margarito does not deserve the fight. The guy gets stomped by Mosley in a fight where he attempted to load his gloves and then gets a huge pay day with Pacquiao where he is stomped again. He isn't even ranked in the top ten at 154. He doesn't deserve Cotto in any way, shape or form.
Meanwhile there are so many great fights at 154. Dzinziruk, Angulo, Kirkland, Cintron, Martirosyan. He doesn't need to fight Margarito. Any of those guys are better.
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Pavlik
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TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
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Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
I did not know that, maybe he is a lil endomorphic (carries more bodyfat) but he does not look like it. I got your point I'm just protecting one of my favorite fighters:)
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Pavlik
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
I did not know that, maybe he is a lil endomorphic (carries more bodyfat) but he does not look like it. I got your point I'm just protecting one of my favorite fighters:)
Cotto has been in with very tough competition and he's always entertaining. I'm a fan too. Don't get me wrong.
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Rantcatrat
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Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
I did not know that, maybe he is a lil endomorphic (carries more bodyfat) but he does not look like it. I got your point I'm just protecting one of my favorite fighters:)
Cotto has been in with very tough competition and he's always entertaining. I'm a fan too. Don't get me wrong.
His battles to make 140 were well-publicized. He looked weight-drained and lacked energy. But 147 is another story. His body is better suited for 147 than 154, mostly because of the height. He may have said at some point he had trouble making 147, but I insist that's his best weight.
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I'd rather see Cotto-Angulo as #1 Margarito is a cheater and doesn't deserve the fight #2 a win vs Angulo means more and I think it would be roughly the same game plan as the Mayorga fight.
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Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
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:::PSL:::
Where's Ross? ;D
whos ross?
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I picked mayorga To win last night. I've always been a fan of cotto, But with the margarito and Pac defeats I thought it had taken something from him. I thought mayorga, with his size and strength could hurt and beat cotto. I'm glad I was wrong tho. Cotto showed his class once again last night and proved he still has alot left to offer the game.
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:::PSL:::
Where's Ross? ;D
Im here. Im in the uk, I stayed up till 6 am and spent most pf the day sleeping. Not asking for blowjobs from men on here like some Ricky Martin fans;)
I said I was wrong, life goes on. A 38 year old retired fighter got beaten by a 30 year old belt holder. No big shakes. Cotto is still to become the top fighter in any division hes fought in, unlike Ricardo;)
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"a 38 year old fighter got beaten by a 30 year old title holder"
Well... when you put it like that... ;)
mayorga was also a 38 year old fighter and Cotto a 30 year old title holder before the fight too though, not just after. :)
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ross
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Where's Ross? ;D
Im here. Im in the uk, I stayed up till 6 am and spent most pf the day sleeping. Not asking for blowjobs from men on here like some Ricky Martin fans;)
I said I was wrong, life goes on. A 38 year old retired fighter got beaten by a 30 year old belt holder. No big shakes. Cotto is still to become the top fighter in any division hes fought in, unlike Ricardo;)
Well done for committing yourself to a fighter, you got it wrong as have all of us.
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Cotto looked great and it was a awesome fight. I'd love to see him fight Margarito say what you want about the guy be he is a true warrior just like Cotto and if Cotto is willing to give him that fight who are we to question that?
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Cotto answered some question about his boxing skills, which I thnk he looked pretty good defensively. To be honest though Mayorga didnt ask alot of questions about how he can handle constant pressure. Mayorga only fought in spurts, then got totally outclassed when he was in passive mode. Mayorga had a few moments but they were few and far between. I would like to see how Cotto handles the constant pressure of Margarito, I do think he will win this time because he looks like he has gone more into pure boxer mode rather than mixing it up like he used to. If he were to beat Margarito in the rematch he will have answered alot of questions.
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Re: Cotto questions: ANSWERED
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
Correction Bro:
World Boxing Association Official Site
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SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154 Lbs/ 69.85) Kgs)
SUPER CHAMPION: MIGUEL COTTO P.R.
World Champion: V A C A N T
Won Title:
Last Mandatory:
Last Defense:
INTERIM CHAMPION: RIGOBERTO ALVAREZ MEX
IBF:
CORNELIUS BONDRAGE
WBO
:SERGEI DZINDZIRUK WBC: MANNY PACQUIAO
1. AUSTIN TROUT (OC) USA
2. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. MEX
3. NOBUHIRO ISHIDA JPN
4. ZAURBEK BAYSANGUROV (WBA I/C) RUS
5. ERISLANDY LARA (LAC) CUB
6. RICARDO MAYORGA NIC
7. PAWEL WOLAK
8. RYAN RHODES U.K.
9. ANTHONY MUNDINE AUS
10. CHARLIE OTA JPN
11. LUKAS KONECNY CZE
12. HUSSEIN BAYRAM FRA
13. YUKI NONAKA JPN
14. SEBASTIEN MADANI (EBA) FRA
15. ROGERIO PEREIRA (NABA) BR
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Re: Cotto questions: ANSWERED
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
Correction Bro:
World Boxing Association Official Site
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SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154 Lbs/ 69.85) Kgs)
SUPER CHAMPION: MIGUEL COTTO P.R.
World Champion: V A C A N T
Won Title:
Last Mandatory:
Last Defense:
INTERIM CHAMPION: RIGOBERTO ALVAREZ MEX
IBF:
CORNELIUS BONDRAGE
WBO
:SERGEI DZINDZIRUK WBC: MANNY PACQUIAO
1. AUSTIN TROUT (OC) USA
2. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. MEX
3. NOBUHIRO ISHIDA JPN
4. ZAURBEK BAYSANGUROV (WBA I/C) RUS
5. ERISLANDY LARA (LAC) CUB
6. RICARDO MAYORGA NIC
7. PAWEL WOLAK
8. RYAN RHODES U.K.
9. ANTHONY MUNDINE AUS
10. CHARLIE OTA JPN
11. LUKAS KONECNY CZE
12. HUSSEIN BAYRAM FRA
13. YUKI NONAKA JPN
14. SEBASTIEN MADANI (EBA) FRA
15. ROGERIO PEREIRA (NABA) BR
Good job, Pav. I myself didn't know Ricardo was ranked in the top 10. I was honestly surprised to see that. Kudos for doing the research.
:)
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Re: Cotto questions: ANSWERED
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Berto... would all be good next opponents for Cotto. Williams I've never through so, 'cause of the size (height) difference. It probably wouldn't be a fan-friendly fight. But let's see what happens. There IS the matter of retribution from the beating Cotto took from MargaCHEATO, although I can also say that CHEATO doesn't deserve a single nickel from a big fight, even though unfortunately it already happened with Pacquiao. Let's see where Team Cotto decides to go next.
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Re: Cotto questions: ANSWERED
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Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
Correction Bro:
World Boxing Association Official Site
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SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154 Lbs/ 69.85) Kgs)
SUPER CHAMPION: MIGUEL COTTO P.R.
World Champion: V A C A N T
Won Title:
Last Mandatory:
Last Defense:
INTERIM CHAMPION: RIGOBERTO ALVAREZ MEX
IBF:
CORNELIUS BONDRAGE
WBO
:SERGEI DZINDZIRUK WBC: MANNY PACQUIAO
1. AUSTIN TROUT (OC) USA
2. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. MEX
3. NOBUHIRO ISHIDA JPN
4. ZAURBEK BAYSANGUROV (WBA I/C) RUS
5. ERISLANDY LARA (LAC) CUB
6. RICARDO MAYORGA NIC
7. PAWEL WOLAK
8. RYAN RHODES U.K.
9. ANTHONY MUNDINE AUS
10. CHARLIE OTA JPN
11. LUKAS KONECNY CZE
12. HUSSEIN BAYRAM FRA
13. YUKI NONAKA JPN
14. SEBASTIEN MADANI (EBA) FRA
15. ROGERIO PEREIRA (NABA) BR
Is that the WBA ranking? We all know sanctioning body's rankings aren't accurate and don't matter. Chavez Jr. is ranked #2 ffs. He was there because Don King got him there.
The Ring Magazine and Espn didn't have Mayorga ranked in their top ten. And the IBO, which has a odd way of ranking (computerized maybe?), doesn't have Mayorga ranked in the top ten. I don't think anyone else had him ranked in their top ten at 154.
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TitoFan
Well..... as expected, the silence from the Cotto haters (not detractors, mind you... but haters) is DEAFENING. So I'll take it upon myself to list a few of the harsh criticism leveled at Cotto before the fight:
1. Cotto wilts under pressure in the later rounds.
Well... I guess that one was put to bed last night. A TKO win in the 12th round is definitely not the mark of someone who wilts in the later rounds.
2. His heart isn't in it. He's only in it for the money.
An ignorant statement, actually. Cotto already has more money than he knows what to do with. He's still fighting for the only reason why most great fighters continue to fight.... 'cause it's in his blood and 'cause he wants to.
3. He couldn't avoid Margacheato's punches, so he'll be a sitting duck for Mayorga's flurries.
Well... I guess that one got put to bed also. He showed movement, avoided some of Mayorga's wild shots, and basically showed some pretty good defense.
4. He's a quitter.
Ironic, isn't it? It was actually Mayorga who said "No mas", for whatever reason it was. Even more ironic. Haters had Mayorga sending Cotto into retirement, and it seems it may be the other way around. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
I love this forum, but I wish people who talk the most shit would show up after their predictions blow up in their faces and say...... "You know... I was wrong about so-and-so". He's actually better than I thought.
Yeah, right.
:rolleyes:
Tito - that underlined portion of your post is the only gripe I have with your statement.
In a sense, I give him a pass on his last two fights. He needed to test the waters at 154 with Foreman before going in deeper, fair enough, and Mayorga is a true junior middleweight who brought a big pay day. Fair play there too. So, let's see where he goes next. I'd prefer to see Cotto in with Berto at 154 than Margarito. I'd also prefer Cotto face Kirkland/Angulo/Dzinziruk/Williams etc before Margarito. Any fight now with Cotto is a PPV, so, it's not like he isn't getting paid anyway.
Great fighters challenge themselves consistently. Mayorga and Foreman aren't challenging for someone of Cotto's caliber. Again, I understand the logic of why he took them, and let's see his next fight. However, Kirkland, Angulo, Dzinziruk, Williams etc. those are real challenges for great fighters.
At the end of the day, Cotto looked good last night. Damn straight. It was against an old Mayorga, who wasn't ranked in the top ten of the division at the time of the fight, but Cotto still looked good.
Correction Bro:
World Boxing Association Official Site
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SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154 Lbs/ 69.85) Kgs)
SUPER CHAMPION: MIGUEL COTTO P.R.
World Champion: V A C A N T
Won Title:
Last Mandatory:
Last Defense:
INTERIM CHAMPION: RIGOBERTO ALVAREZ MEX
IBF:
:SERGEI DZINDZIRUK WBC: MANNY PACQUIAO
1. AUSTIN TROUT (OC) USA
2. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. MEX
3. NOBUHIRO ISHIDA JPN
4. ZAURBEK BAYSANGUROV (WBA I/C) RUS
5. ERISLANDY LARA (LAC) CUB
6. RICARDO MAYORGA NIC
7. PAWEL WOLAK
8. RYAN RHODES U.K.
9. ANTHONY MUNDINE AUS
10. CHARLIE OTA JPN
11. LUKAS KONECNY CZE
12. HUSSEIN BAYRAM FRA
13. YUKI NONAKA JPN
14. SEBASTIEN MADANI (EBA) FRA
15. ROGERIO PEREIRA (NABA) BR
Is that the WBO ranking? We all know sanctioning body's rankings aren't accurate and don't matter. Chavez Jr. is ranked #2 ffs. He was there because Don King got him there.
The Ring Magazine and Espn didn't have Mayorga ranked in their top ten. And the IBO, which has a odd way of ranking (computerized maybe?), doesn't have Mayorga ranked in the top ten. I don't think anyone else had him ranked in their top ten at 154.
WBA ranking bro.
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Ross can have his objections, fair enough. But to say Cotto is ugly is just ridiculous. Along with Sergio Martinez he's one of the most handsome men in the sport.
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Ross can have his objections, fair enough. But to say Cotto is ugly is just ridiculous. Along with Sergio Martinez he's one of the most handsome men in the sport.
Martinez is quite a handsome one isn't he..
Sergio Pretty Boy Martinez.... he's not gay enough to name himself that though..
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Ross got hyped for a fight and got his pick wrong. Big deal. It's petty to make such a big deal out of it though. He's admitted he got it wrong and yet we have threads from people who have taken the statements so seriously as to mentally note down each and every argument made over previous weeks. The pick was wrong, the 10-1 favourite won and life goes on.
I agree with the statements about Martinez, he is undoubtedly a fine looking figure of a man. Cotto is more an aquired taste, but I can see why some might go for him. Is that gay enough? :rolleyes:
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I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
I did not know that, maybe he is a lil endomorphic (carries more bodyfat) but he does not look like it. I got your point I'm just protecting one of my favorite fighters:)
he has said before he was a fat kid before he took up boxing
however i wonder how much of his training actually goes into losing any excess fat he may be carrying because of all the training videos and clips iv seen it never looks very intense
that may be put on for the cameras but is just a thought
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I'd hate to give Margacheato the opportunity for another payday, but Cotto avenging his loss to the cheater would rate highly in my book.
That's how I feel too, I want REVENGE but I don't want Cheato to use Cotto's name to make money and it's still a dangerous fight honestly.
Cheato is a full blown Junior Middle compared to a stocky welter in Cotto.
That's one of my worries, also.
I remember somebody saying before Miguel is a "Tweener" a big junior welter but outsized by welters like Tony, Kermit and Paul Williams. Junior middleweight his body looks perfect but being 5'7 he won't have the leverage in his punches there. I love the guy(not in a gay way) but we must be realistic here;)
The reason he moved up in weight to 154 is because he was having trouble making 147. If he's going to be a junior middleweight, be a junior middleweight.
I did not know that, maybe he is a lil endomorphic (carries more bodyfat) but he does not look like it. I got your point I'm just protecting one of my favorite fighters:)
he has said before he was a fat kid before he took up boxing
however i wonder how much of his training actually goes into losing any excess fat he may be carrying because of all the training videos and clips iv seen it never looks very intense
that may be put on for the cameras but is just a though
looks like he does have a very laidback approach to training nothing flashy, he does not throw his best shots whether it' the heavy bag or pads.
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Ross got hyped for a fight and got his pick wrong. Big deal. It's petty to make such a big deal out of it though. He's admitted he got it wrong and yet we have threads from people who have taken the statements so seriously as to mentally note down each and every argument made over previous weeks. The pick was wrong, the 10-1 favourite won and life goes on.
I agree with the statements about Martinez, he is undoubtedly a fine looking figure of a man. Cotto is more an aquired taste, but I can see why some might go for him. Is that gay enough? :rolleyes:
Instead of "people", why didn't you just say "TitoFan"? Listen, I got no beef with you. A handful of saddo'ers were picking and hoping Mayorga would win. Have I done the same to them? No, right? Ross is a hater, starting with hoping for Cotto's surgically-repaired shoulder to hamper him during the fight... and continuing his song-and-dance about Cotto being a quitter and being a shitty fighter. I don't know whether to call it hate, or ignorance. Either way, I did what I did for a reason.
Now sit there and tell me that had Mayorga KO'ed Cotto, Ross wouldn't be calling us out and spewing his Cotto-hate all over the forum, probably for a whole month. So spare me your "leave the poor dude alone" spiel. Besides... I'm winding down.
;D ;)
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Agreed who should he fight next?
Andre Berto at 147 lbs.
I think that would be an absolute great matchup! I really would struggle to pick a winner!
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
miles
Ross got hyped for a fight and got his pick wrong. Big deal. It's petty to make such a big deal out of it though. He's admitted he got it wrong and yet we have threads from people who have taken the statements so seriously as to mentally note down each and every argument made over previous weeks. The pick was wrong, the 10-1 favourite won and life goes on.
I agree with the statements about Martinez, he is undoubtedly a fine looking figure of a man. Cotto is more an aquired taste, but I can see why some might go for him. Is that gay enough? :rolleyes:
Instead of "people", why didn't you just say "TitoFan"? Listen, I got no beef with you. A handful of saddo'ers were picking and hoping Mayorga would win. Have I done the same to them? No, right? Ross is a hater, starting with hoping for Cotto's surgically-repaired shoulder to hamper him during the fight... and continuing his song-and-dance about Cotto being a quitter and being a shitty fighter. I don't know whether to call it hate, or ignorance. Either way, I did what I did for a reason.
Now sit there and tell me that had Mayorga KO'ed Cotto, Ross wouldn't be calling us out and spewing his Cotto-hate all over the forum, probably for a whole month. So spare me your "leave the poor dude alone" spiel. Besides... I'm winding down.
;D ;)
don't know what he's going on about after the Khan/Barrera massacre that's all he'd talk about
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
miles
Ross got hyped for a fight and got his pick wrong. Big deal. It's petty to make such a big deal out of it though. He's admitted he got it wrong and yet we have threads from people who have taken the statements so seriously as to mentally note down each and every argument made over previous weeks. The pick was wrong, the 10-1 favourite won and life goes on.
I agree with the statements about Martinez, he is undoubtedly a fine looking figure of a man. Cotto is more an aquired taste, but I can see why some might go for him. Is that gay enough? :rolleyes:
Instead of "people", why didn't you just say "TitoFan"? Listen, I got no beef with you. A handful of saddo'ers were picking and hoping Mayorga would win. Have I done the same to them? No, right? Ross is a hater, starting with hoping for Cotto's surgically-repaired shoulder to hamper him during the fight... and continuing his song-and-dance about Cotto being a quitter and being a shitty fighter. I don't know whether to call it hate, or ignorance. Either way, I did what I did for a reason.
Now sit there and tell me that had Mayorga KO'ed Cotto, Ross wouldn't be calling us out and spewing his Cotto-hate all over the forum, probably for a whole month. So spare me your "leave the poor dude alone" spiel. Besides... I'm winding down.
;D ;)
Both you and ElTerribleMorales have been on the same battleground for a while now, so that's why I used a plural term. I just don't know why people got so antagonised and wound up by this fight. Maybe calling people out is par for the course on boxing sites, but I think it's kind of silly to take it so seriously. It's just a boxing contest and the heavy favourite got his win. He was made to work hard at times, but Mayorga did alright for an old guy who couldn't fight more than in spurts. He certainly didn't get blown away like many were predicting. And having said that, Cotto did alright too. He boxed cautiously and fought within himself. It was a more measured performance from him too.
I don't know what ElTerrible is on about in the previous post. Khan/Barrera was criminal, there was no controvery about this fight. Certainly no reason for anyone to be harping on about anything untoward. Totally different circumstances.
