Here is the Sportinglife.com's current British p4p.
I'm surprised Carl Froch is not number 1. I'd probably have Carl Froch, Amir Khan, and then David Haye. What say you?
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Here is the Sportinglife.com's current British p4p.
I'm surprised Carl Froch is not number 1. I'd probably have Carl Froch, Amir Khan, and then David Haye. What say you?
Well I agree Froch's resume is better, but realistically when you are a world heavyweight champ you will always be British number one I would imagine. We've only have four heavyweight champs in the past 100 or so years.
Haye is number one in an absolute sense, and as heavyweight champ he's the glamour boy of British boxing.
You meant to say "I'm surprised Carl Froch is NOT number 1"
I agree Froch should be above Haye but Khan is above both P4P. Froch has the best resume. I think Khan would beat FRoch P4P. That's all she wrote.
More of your subjective p4p nonsense. You have to apply the rankings criteria Fenster. It's all about the criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Haye, Froch, Khan is a fair order based on acomplishments, opponent's, weight class, performances etc.
Your opinion that Khan might be Froch in a mythical p4p matchup has no bearing on where they should rank according to the appropriate criteria. That is why you cannot understand p4p.
Also, God is. The Jews rule. Miles is boring.
And that is all.
i think its based on opinion rather than fact
yes perhaps haye would beat froch if they were the same weight
considering record tho froch has to come out on top
Haye was THEE unified Cruiser champ that's Lineal Blood Line that alone holds more merit then anything Khan & Froch have done to date for my likings.
There is NO way DeGale is top 10, sorry but no.
I think the top 3 are easy Haye, Froch, Khan...
I would have Ola Ofalabi & Matthew Macklin somewhere on there.
Froch should deffo be 1, even Kahn has fought better opponents.
What has Haye done in the past year? Fought a retired Ruiz and Harrison and where were they on the heavyweight rankings? Id bet neither were in the top ten! Froch has fought Kessler and Abraham in the last year!
If they were both the same size id pick Froch over Haye. Froch has far too much stamina and fight in him. Although im not fond of him, I am starting to respect him as a fighter and he has a hell of a lot more fight in him. I just couldnt see him sagging and looking like a lost little girl only a few rounds in against a retired 40 year old;D
I think ruiz was mandatory so he must have been top 10
Top ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by rossTop ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye
i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings
i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion
it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye
Problem is that he didn't really beat anyone of note as a cruiserweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
froch should be higher than he is in the world rankings. if he beat Ward he'd be top 10 or so. if he beat Ward and Bute, he'd be top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by rossTop ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye
i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings
i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion
it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye
i don't agree with you about martinez, but we've gone over that already.
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Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by rossTop ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye
i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings
i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion
it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye
The thing with Froch being p4p is that if you put him in, then Kessler would surely have to go above him, and Ward would have to go above both of them. Then Bute would have to be ranked up there as well. That seems a bit farcical to me. The Supermiddleweight division needs to clarify itself a bit first, wait and see who wins the super six before we make any of those guys p4p.
Where the fuck is 2010 British Boxer of the Year Rendall Munroe?
He should AT LEAST be in the top ten.
naa i dont think kes should go above froch just coz he won the fight, and ward coz he beat kesQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by rossTop ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye
i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings
i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion
it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye
The thing with Froch being p4p is that if you put him in, then Kessler would surely have to go above him, and Ward would have to go above both of them. Then Bute would have to be ranked up there as well. That seems a bit farcical to me. The Supermiddleweight division needs to clarify itself a bit first, wait and see who wins the super six before we make any of those guys p4p.
its like saying cintron should be even with martinez coz he drew with him
and where would you stop?
Highlighting the obvious flaws/inconsistencies in a particular system/belief doesn't mean one doesn't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMore of your subjective p4p nonsense. You have to apply the rankings criteria Fenster. It's all about the criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Haye, Froch, Khan is a fair order based on acomplishments, opponent's, weight class, performances etc.
Your opinion that Khan might be Froch in a mythical p4p matchup has no bearing on where they should rank according to the appropriate criteria.That is why you cannot understand p4p.
Also, God is. The Jews rule. Miles is boring.
And that is all.
Shall we go through this all over again? (;D)
Froch and Khan not only have ZERO form that relates them but also it is impossible to compare the strength, abilty and skill level of fighters around 168 to those around 140. You can do no better than take a GUESS ;)
No Ricky Burns in the British p4p list either? I don't rate him that highly myself but, as a world champion, he should be in there.
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Originally Posted by FensterHighlighting the obvious flaws/inconsistencies in a particular system/belief doesn't mean one doesn't understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMore of your subjective p4p nonsense. You have to apply the rankings criteria Fenster. It's all about the criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Haye, Froch, Khan is a fair order based on acomplishments, opponent's, weight class, performances etc.
Your opinion that Khan might be Froch in a mythical p4p matchup has no bearing on where they should rank according to the appropriate criteria.That is why you cannot understand p4p.
Also, God is. The Jews rule. Miles is boring.
And that is all.
Shall we go through this all over again? (;D)
Froch and Khan not only have ZERO form that relates them but also it is impossible to compare the strength, abilty and skill level of fighters around 168 to those around 140. You can do no better than take a GUESS ;)
I agree completely. Which is why I base my p4p on acomplishments not on a mythical matchup between the pair.
Froch is clearly above Khan p4p based on opposition fought, opposition beat, comparison of losses etc.
Khan may well beat Froch in a mythical matchup, but to me that is neither here nor there, Froch must be above Khan because he has fought better fighters, beaten better fighters, and not lost to as mediocre a fighter, or been knocked out.
You disagree with this?
Also, dinosaurs and man did coexist. And Miles is still dull.
For now, that is all.
I don't see how the two compare at all. Cintron was gifted a draw in a fight in which he not only convincingly outboxed but also knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44naa i dont think kes should go above froch just coz he won the fight, and ward coz he beat kesQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by rossTop ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye
i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings
i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion
it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye
The thing with Froch being p4p is that if you put him in, then Kessler would surely have to go above him, and Ward would have to go above both of them. Then Bute would have to be ranked up there as well. That seems a bit farcical to me. The Supermiddleweight division needs to clarify itself a bit first, wait and see who wins the super six before we make any of those guys p4p.
its like saying cintron should be even with martinez coz he drew with him
and where would you stop?
The Kessler Froch fight was very competitive and Kessler won it. Some have argued Froch may have done enough but absolutely nobody would argue it was a robbery. I thought Kessler shaded it myself and a win is a win at the end of the day.
A better comparison for Martinez would be Paul Williams who won a hotly contested decision over Martinez, and WAS rated higher p4p as a result going into their rematch. Of course he got annihilated but that's another matter.
In the Supermiddleweight rankings it's difficult to have Kessler below Froch considering he beat him in his last fight.
Again Nonito Donaire is a perfect example. He knocked out Darchinyan and then did nothing for three years. Meanwhile Vic rebuilt, became a two weight world champ and rose up into the p4p rankings. As a result of Vic's success Donaiare rose up too always staying abover Darchinyan despite fighting paddy field farmers and fisherman.