According to ESPN, if Juan Manuel Marquez renews his contract with Golden Boy, he will most likely be fighting Zab Judah next. What do you guys think?
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According to ESPN, if Juan Manuel Marquez renews his contract with Golden Boy, he will most likely be fighting Zab Judah next. What do you guys think?
It's a dangerous fight for him. You never know which Zab Judah is going to show up 'Super' Zab or the "Well he has a lot of potential" Zab. Zab still has fast hands and good power, it will be interesting if it comes off.
I don't believe there is any more super Zab left. I believe there is a very good junior welterweight Zab that can hang with the bottom half of the top ten in the division. The fight against Matthyse was close and could probably have gone either way. Zab may even be a tad bit overrated right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I also believe that Marquez is a little overrated too at these higher weight classes. He beat Kastidis and Diaz at 135. He hasn't faced the real champs in the division. He's top ten p4p because he's a great champion of our time and he has climbed the weight classes, but he has done all that much at 135. With that said, he deserves a Zab Judah fight, which I believe he wins, and makes good change doing so.
Judah could be dangerous since he is really fast , but Marquez has shown a great chin and even if he goes down, he always gets up. I have a feeling Marquez would outwork, and ko Judah with a counter in the later rounds. Judah does not throw enough to outpoint JMM
I think Marquez will probably take his customary trip to the canvas early. If he gets up.... It's over... Zab's done. News Zab, Old Zab, Super Zab, Whatever Zab... Still seems to have focus problems and lose his fire as soon as he realizes things aren't going to be as easy as they sounded when he was talking the talk.
As an early Zab fan.. it feels like I was waiting forever for this kid to get his crap together and apply himself....
I think JMM wins a decision, this should be a good fight if it happens.
A good tuneup for JMM to see how he handles Jr Welterweight.
Judah KO4 or JMM W12. Only way I see that going down but I have a hard time thinking Marquez will take this fight. Judah's with Main Events isn't he? GBP will make a fight with Amir for bigger bucks @ 140 before they split the pot with another promotor and fight Zab.
Judah isn't mentally strong enough to beat JMM
ICB were you not giving me shit about a month ago in another thread when i said "this fight makes sense". Now it's a good tuneup for JMM ;D. I do agree though it's a good test for JMM at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Well if JMM wants to win another title at a different weightclass, to be the first mexican to do so in 4 weightclasses. Then Zab Judah isn't a bad tune up but i still don't think Zab Judah. Really deserves another big fight though, he's had so many chances but i'd like to see how my boy handles 140, considering he looked bloated and not very good at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMASUXICB were you not giving me shit about a month ago in another thread when i said "this fight makes sense". Now it's a good tuneup for JMM ;D. I do agree though it's a good test for JMM at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
how's zab keep getting these fights got a semi gift against matthyse, unless marquez gets old which is bound to happen soon he finishes zab in the distance.
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Originally Posted by ICBWell if JMM wants to win another title at a different weightclass, to be the first mexican to do so in 4 weightclasses. Then Zab Judah isn't a bad tune up but i still don't think Zab Judah. Really deserves another big fight though, he's had so many chances but i'd like to see how my boy handles 140, considering he looked bloated and not very good at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMASUXICB were you not giving me shit about a month ago in another thread when i said "this fight makes sense". Now it's a good tuneup for JMM ;D. I do agree though it's a good test for JMM at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I completely agree with you, i'm just giving you shit. He did look very bloated at 147, and Zab is a good test for him at 140. Probably the most logical choice of the options at 140. I think it's a good fight if it happens.
I think JMM could stay at 135 to Zabs 140 and still pick him apart. Judah is now a 6 round fighter who winds up for the big shot finish. JMM via late tko on cuts.
Looking to upstage Mayweather and Pacquiao, Judah goes out looking for the early KO. In the process he gets himself stopped in the 2nd
If Marquez can't beat the shit out of Judah he should have a press conference and apologize to every fan of boxing individually for. A drinking his own pee and letting someone tape it and b ever saying pac's name an crying about those two fights like he's the first person to get jacked in a decision
I dunno. I just don't like JMM anywhere north of 135 :-\ Judah does have a frail look about him at 140 though... Looks like an AIDS victim or something :-X
This is a very good match up and not easy to pick a winner. This will be a very entertaining fight and I think the new and improved Judah can win this.
This looks like a fantastic matchup to me. Gotta go with Marquez, but I'd never write Judah off against anyone below 147. I might even be slightly hoping for Judah to win, in the early days I always thought he could go down as a great but he just didn't have the mental toughness. I'd love for him to finally come good.
I take it this fight would be at 140??
I think if it happens it will be at 140.
Interesting fight. Gotta go with with Marquez. He may be older and smaller but he is the more reliable of the two mentally and physically. Zab can look a million dollars 1 minute then fall apart the next. Marquez is consistent with his boxing and whilst he is a bit slower he will work his way into the fight with pressure and body shots.
Judah I expect will have early success with quick left hand counters and use his superior footwork to confuse Marquez but Juan will slowly start cutting off the corners working the body and punishing Judah. I think Zab wil do well to last the distance but come out a close but clear points loser.
There is renewed news about this and Guerrero. It's a boring match up as long as Judah boxes on the outside. If Judah tries to do type-A man shit he gets an ass-wooping.
...That's the same way I feel and Judah has more powe than Floyd IMO, granted it's only in the left hand and sometimes he waits too damn long to throw it, but the point is it's there. Not that Judah would or could spark out JMM, just that he COULD fend him off with that powerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Decent fight IMO, Marquez is untested at 140 and Zab has seemed to be somewhat on the slide. It's a fair contest for both really.
Think Marquez outhustles Zab over 12 though, Zab simply doesn't throw punches anymore.
You see my point exactly Miles, Zab not throwing that many punches staying on the outside will result in counter punching Marquez having a low output and there you have it a boring ass chess match of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I suppose another point that may lay in Judah's favour is that Marquez doesn't bring the same physicality that some of Judah's previous opponents have.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong...That's the same way I feel and Judah has more powe than Floyd IMO, granted it's only in the left hand and sometimes he waits too damn long to throw it, but the point is it's there. Not that Judah would or could spark out JMM, just that he COULD fend him off with that powerQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus