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After looking at a couple of fights over the weekend I was curious as to what are some fights that posters here have had the most difficulty scoring. By this I don't mean what was deemed controversial by the media necessarily but more so in your personal judgement. A fight that you can look at two or three times and find reasons to give rds to each fighter each time you watch it. Note that this is not necessarily decision based but it could just be the closeness of the rounds.
Off the top just rewatched McCallum vs Toney 2 few days ago...this time I had McCallum by 1.
Every step possible should be made to avoid scoring rounds even.
I always find the hardest are the toe to toe tear ups. Probably because I'm too excited watching the scrap to judge properly.
Froch vs Kessler was a struggle for me to split them on loads of rounds.
Norton-Ali 2 and 3.
Pacquiao-JMM 2.
De La Hoya-Quartey.
Leonard-Hagler.
Just a few off the top of my head.
McCallum wins that for me both times, cannot see why Toney get the decision even the first one which was much closer. I also had Hopkins beat Taylor but the hardest rounds to score are the ones where they do naff all and just pose and throw no meaningful punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I can't think of any fights that I've had a hard time scoring. But I will say I REALLY hate judging those "feeling out" rounds, where guys are pulling their punches, gauging their range and nothing is really landing
Morales/Barrera I
Gatti/Ward I
De La Hoya/Quartey
Bowe/Holyfield I
Trinidad/De LaHoya. After the first five rounds I seem to always have it 2-2-1, but usually with different guys winning different rounds.
Also, for years, just about any fight on HBO, since Lampley decides before hand who he wants to win and calls the fight that way. Watching them with no sound is often like watching another fight. Chavez-Taylor I is a good example of this.
Pacquiao vs Morales 1 always makes me wonder. Although I think Morales clearly won the fight it is just something about the flow of that fight that made it difficult for me in a couple of those rounds to score. Note....if you watch this fight on mute it is alot closer than the HBO team made it out to be.
i had Morales winning by at least 3 to 4 rounds, and that's giving away the final round cause that's exactly what Morales did with his southpaw stintQuote:
Originally Posted by chinchekked
Hopkins vs Taylor 1 and 2. U really have to dissect a Hopkins fight not only round by round but punch by punch. It may be asking to much of the judges though. I have the benefit of replay, slow motion, and going back. The only fight I truly only seen Hopkins loose was Roy Jones 1. Both Taylor fights could have been both a Draw. Calzaghe also. Very unique fighter, one of a kind.
Same 2 fight I came into the thread to post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by uwey
Also Wright and HopkinsQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSame 2 fight I came into the thread to post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by uwey
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Hardest ones for fans to agree on is when one outworks the other and lands more softer faster shots but the other one is landing real shots that beat the crap out of the one doing all the visual work. One stands there at the finish unscathed the others been in a war with a mess of a face and some score it like we should an amateur fight and others score it like a pro fight. Its hard to draw the line there.
I agree and hate listening to Lampley call fights. There will be an exchange where both fighters throw and land punches and he apparently only sees one land.....Al Bernstein is great at calling fights he doesnt play favorites. Nick Charles is pretty good as well. Also SRL vs Hagler was pretty close if I remember, I watched it and and was thinking did they just give him the round for showboating?.......Also Dorsey Vs Kelley was a bitch to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Yeah, Lampley gets on my nerves a lot. He'll yell out "A blistering combination" for his favorite, even if it misses, and ignore three punches by the other guy. My favorite announcer was Jim Healy, who used to call fights in LA in the 70s, because he'd tell you that a punch wasn't as good as ot looked, who was punching harder, if the live audience was overreacting, and so on.
Agreed - Taylor was the aggressor, but almost everything he threw hit the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by jabvargas24Also Wright and HopkinsQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HSame 2 fight I came into the thread to post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by uwey
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mostly due to the fact that every time i saw him get pummeled and destroyed he went on to nick a decision
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't know about this, fighter A can batter fighter B and be 10-9 up.
next round can be even but judges always score it for one fighter, so if they give it to fighter B then the fight is even...
I think one the biggest problems with boxing is the scoring, while I don't have a solution for it I think judges not scoring rounds even is a major problem.
Hopkins vs calzaghe??
Maybe mayweather vs Judah?
I think Hopkins v Clazghe was really easy to score. Hopkins won the firts 4 rounds, JC won the restQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Tim Witherspoon vs Larry Holmes = Razor thin close fight that could of gone either way.
Great question.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchekked
Leonard/Hagler
Shultz/Foreman
Shane/Oscar 2
Its always been a pet peeve. Just screams " I dunno". Of course I say this with the convenience of replay and hindsight while ringside judges are in the moment not to mention entirely different POV. There just has to be one advantage for one over the other, even in the slightest. Should be encouraged to differentiate though not just for the sake of avoiding even round. Comes down to quality of judges in the first place and lack of accountability and a review process, etc. Just to many 'close' results that see multiple rounds even, draws.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't know about this, fighter A can batter fighter B and be 10-9 up.
next round can be even but judges always score it for one fighter, so if they give it to fighter B then the fight is even...
I think one the biggest problems with boxing is the scoring, while I don't have a solution for it I think judges not scoring rounds even is a major problem.
No answer really. I remember years ago a 'tie breaker' round was proposed in conjunction with open scoring. Thought open scoring was a horrendous idea. A minimum of rounds even? Odd number of rounds per matches? I'm not even sure if they still have 5 rounders on the west coast.
Any time its a puncher stalking a slick defensive boxer I have a hard time gauging effectiveness and ring control. The first 5 rounds of Oscar vs PBF comes to mind.
Any Pernell Whitaker fight. :)