of course i may be risking great embarrassment here, i am sure i am not the first one to do this thou, i am making a bold prediction of Shane Mosely by KO, or TKO...
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of course i may be risking great embarrassment here, i am sure i am not the first one to do this thou, i am making a bold prediction of Shane Mosely by KO, or TKO...
No great embarrasment, but I'd be majorly surprised if you were rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I think it will have to happen early, rd 1 or rd 2 ,Mosley is a great fighter or was a great fighter,but he has slowed down ,and he does not let his hands go like he used to.I worry about shane in this fight,he has been one of my favourite fighters over the years,and i have had the pleasure of meeting him,great guy,but in this fight the only chance he has is a punchers chance early on.Pac man will be way to quick for a ageing Mosley and will give him a retirement beating.
Plus I think Pac would need to be out cold before the fight is stopped, Mosley might get a knock down, but I can't see a stoppage, even in the first two rounds we all agree is his only hope.
I still think it will be Pac by wide UD.
I'm even gonna stick my money where my mouth is. 2.8 on Betfair (£10 returns £28) on a Pac points win.
I think Manny would've been KO'ed by the shot that Mosley landed on Mayweather personally, so thats the only real promising aspect of this fight as a Mosley fan. I definetly can't get on board with criticizing the fight being made, Shane will still make it a battle for the first half at least imo, and does have a clear punchers chance. Noone else Pac hasnt alrea. Obviously Pac doesnt have the best style to beat Mosley, in that sense its a good matchup , he still needs to exchange and take risks to generate offence, and Mosley is still a hell of a lot better at fighting guys inside than he is trying to box. More I think about the fight the more I see a small chance for Shane I guess based on styles, but it's just a matter of whether he can really let his hands go early enough to get in the fight.
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
The only way I see Manny getting credit in winning this fight is if he knocks Shane out in the first 4 rounds. Other than that, Manny is expected to win and Shane is expected to gas out in the later two-thirds of the fight.
Although I see Pacquiao as winning this by knock-out, I am not betting my house on it. In boxing as in any other sport anything can happen, I am not a big risk taker and I don't want to be left homeless. But I am willing to bet the dishwasher. At least my wife can always wash the dishes manually. ;D
Mosley can really hit, be it with the right hand or the left hook, and there are times that Pacquiao is just begging to be hit, chin up in the air. But timing him is tough.
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Well Boxer4, you certainly have the right to your opinion, and if you're right you'll become a bit of a celebrity here at Saddo, but realistically I can't see any way that SSM, wins this fight. And if Delahoya, Cotto and Margarito couldn't stop Pacquiao, there's no way a 39 year old version of Mosley will do it, especially the way he's looked in his last 2 fights.
It could happen but it probably will not.
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Originally Posted by BIG HNo great embarrasment, but I'd be majorly surprised if you were rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Thats what i am honestly going off of, if he can catch slick ass mayweather, he can sure enough catch manny, and catch him goodQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Haha i am def not making any bets either, id be dumb to, but i believe that mosely can hit, and hit hard, moor was an odd fight cuz he ran and it was just ugly and dull, granted he got caught with punches he shouldn't have, i still feel like he can take mannys shot, and give one backQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
And thats what i noticed, Manny is available and for atlas the first three rounds, it will be interesting, as manny like to "test" his guys, really a good excuse for getting hit that hardQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Well the thing about those guys is, they really were not the same fighters, like it or not, ofcourse pacqiou is far from the only boxer to pick his fights wisely especially when moving up in weight (maywaether, Jones) but we can admit that he has made SOME safe picks, but when mosely is down, it doesn't necessarily mean he is out, he has had bad streaks and has always come back from em in an outstanding fashion, and i think the stars are aligned for him to be great once again, and go down as a "sugar" should, he has lost speed, reflexes, and stamina, but dammit the guy still hits incredibly hard for his weight and if he can catch money, he can catch manny, what it will do it remains to see, i can be terribly wrong, but i am just going with my gut and some hope hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Well Boxer4, you certainly have the right to your opinion, and if you're right you'll become a bit of a celebrity here at Saddo, but realistically I can't see any way that SSM, wins this fight. And if Delahoya, Cotto and Margarito couldn't stop Pacquiao, there's no way a 39 year old version of Mosley will do it, especially the way he's looked in his last 2 fights.
If Shane wins, it would have to be by KO/TKO, because with Pacquiao's workrate, there's no way he wins a decision. I still don't get why you believe that Mosley is such a hellacious puncher, most of his KO's have been the result of an accumulation of punches, not a single shot. I mean yeah, he caught Mayweather with a decent shot, but I think Floyd was more surprised then hurt, by the end of the round he was in control and firing back.
The thing is, even if Mosley does catch Pacquiao with a big shot, he should be able to take it, he was hit with some big shots from Cotto and Margarito, and just kept on trucking. And Shane is not going to be able to stop Pacquiao with an accumulation of punches, because he's not that easy to hit, and Shane is going to be too busy trying to block the vast array of punches coming at his head.
just got done watching odlh vs ssm 1 on comcast ppv previews special. the commentators said jesse james leija and john john molina stated that delahoya hits harder than shane does, i do believe that oscar has more power than shane but the margarito destruction left an immortal imprint on us. we have to remember oscar destroyed mayorga faster when mayo was fresher, destroyed vargas when he was still far from being shot. that said as of now mosley is the biggest puncher at welter. and i do believe as stated he can stop pac with one shot, for pete's sake he is the larger man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Exactomondo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
No embarrassment mate. Its a regular thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Personally I like both fighters, BUT I think it would be worse for the state of boxing if Mosley won. It would make a fight between Mayweather and Pac far less meaningful and whilst both Pac and PBF are seemingly invincible against everyone other than each other, boxing has one GREAT talking point.
The ideal situation would be for Pac to beat Mosley in better fashion than Floyd did, then call Floyd out straight after the fight. Rumour has it that Mayweather may well be ringside!
Here's something to not overlook. Shane's best punch in recent years has been his lead right hand or his overhand right. He uses it more often than his left hook nowadays. Pacquiao is a southpaw. So if there is one shot Shane would hit Pacquiao with consistantly with its the straight right. Also, if Shane goes with a left hook to the body right hand to the head combo all night it could cause issues for Pacquiao. Body shots always seem to effect Pacquiao, even if its for a short period of time. Like I said in the other thread Im sure Shane knows what he has to do but DLH probably knew what to do too but when the time came he couldn't pull the trigger, lets hope Shane can still do it . Not because we all want to see Pacquiao lose, but we want to see a competitive fight, and want to be able to say that Shane gave his best and Pacquiao beat him at his best, heck people would give Pacquiao MORE credit than they gave Mayweather if Shane is even the least bit competitive because Mayweather made him look so ordinary, so people will say "The Shane that fought Pacquiao could have beat Mayweather." So it works out for fans either way. What we DON'T wanna see is another one sided fight with 30 seconds of effective offense from Pacquiao's opponent thats used to give them more credit than their performance really deserved if not for anything else but taking punishment.
It's strange... 5-6 years ago Mosely was fighting Winky Wright at 154, whilst Pac was fighting MAB at 125. The thought than Manny would be big enough to fight Mosely would've been laughed at and now we (including me) all think Manny will batter him! :-\
P.S - I know a lot has happened in that time, but I NEVER could've seen Pac fighting Mosely.
what are the odds on a mosely KO
put a fiver on it
It's these kinds of threads that get you in trouble. In boxing it's always better to hedge your bets or years later people will call you out for picking a certain fighter. Just look at the other Mosley thread. :p
I want Mosley to win, do I think he will win? PROBABLY not, but I am WILLING him on with all my godless belief.
The thing is, styles make fights, de lahoya is def as strong punch per punch, and more accurate, but he is also more text book, de lahoya never takes the risks mostly does, you ever see moseys face when he cocks that right? he is throwing his whole body into every punch at times, he literally swings for the fences that guy and it comes pretty fast, and this is what i believe makes him at least somewhat or a threat, like i said my "prediction" might be more like hope, but i think its possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikjust got done watching odlh vs ssm 1 on comcast ppv previews special. the commentators said jesse james leija and john john molina stated that delahoya hits harder than shane does, i do believe that oscar has more power than shane but the margarito destruction left an immortal imprint on us. we have to remember oscar destroyed mayorga faster when mayo was fresher, destroyed vargas when he was still far from being shot. that said as of now mosley is the biggest puncher at welter. and i do believe as stated he can stop pac with one shot, for pete's sake he is the larger man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
This is very true, especially if shane can get him to the ropes, we might see a fight, there was a little drama in the margarito, fight, i think we might see a fun fight here, that is after we see how mosely handles mannys machine gun fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by BIG H
i can relate here, i used to laugh at an idea of a mayweather manny fight being talked about.."that guys to little, he will get killed." now its the most demanded, competitive fight in boxing.
I agree, i may have to relive this over and over again, but i am sure we've all been wrong before..and thats if ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
One thing that def bothered me is on the last episode of 360, nazim and mosely were watching pacqious marquez tapes, not the version of manny i think they should be studying.
You're a brave man boxer4life. I'd like to pick Shane too but cant see it.
I just rewatched his fights with Collazo and Floyd. I always rewatch fights in fight week and try to picture the other guy in the ring with him. Things I picked up on is that Shane was starting to tire in the late rounds vs Collazo back in 2007 until he scored that late KD due to balance. Also Luis was able to absorb everything Shane threw at him and was still able to come forward.
What I noticed about the Floyd fight was the huge gulps of air Shane was taking as early as round 7. At the end of the round Floyd turned round and looked and Shanes legs as he went back to his corner to see how weak his legs were. Also how many times did Shane try to touch gloves!? In one round floyd even punched him in the face whilst Shane was talking to him then later in the round Shane went to touch gloves again ( which floyd ignored ) what will it take to get some aggression out in Mosley! I duno if he wanted Floyd to take it easy on him but theres a time and place for being nice and the ring is neither. If he starts trying to negotiate with Manny I expect the Flip wont carry him like he did with Tony.
Those are the negatives but on the plus side, Shane wasnt close to being stopped vs Floyd like people say he was. Commentary said he was but he was still bouncing and althought out of breath he was never wobbled. Against Collazzo he kept fidning the target with the straight right. It was embarssing for Collazo.
So if we see the mixtures of the pros and the cons of those fights this weekend against Pac we could see Shane have success early and cause afew scares. Shane will be in this fight for 5 rounds. Make no mistake. Its only after the pace gets to him its a 1 horse race. Then I can see Nazim throw the towel in. He flirted with the idea last time but will do it vs Pac. If not Shane survives 12 but loses by wide margins.
With all the upsets lately, i guess i kinda possible. But with all the hype set aside. Why mosley after two losses is even getting a shot is kinda crazy. Him winning seems to be even crazier. He struggled with mayorga, got smoked by floyd, and couldn't find a way to even keep me awake for the mora fight. Anyone saying shane has a chance in hell either hates pac, works for top rank, or somehow is making money from this farse they're calling a so called "big" fight. Picking shane to win verbally is a fifty fifty shot. But is there anyone actually putting thier money behind shane....
Miles must be busy or something because his posts are quite different from before w/c i think are respectable :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
on point : There is nothing wrong with picking the wrong fighter Miles
the wrong thing is
Picking fighter A over fighter B and then a few years later saying that fighter B cherry picked fighter A
How moronic is that mate? cmon lets be rational here.
I would love for Shane to win :)
After seeing that avatar above me or whatever it's called where Pac is punching Margo...makes me wonder if Marg took a dive. That's not a matter of Manny being to fast. That's Marg just sucking it up and saying I will take 8 punches real quick....Bonus money
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Originally Posted by miron_langMiles must be busy or something because his posts are quite different from before w/c i think are respectable :)Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
on point : There is nothing wrong with picking the wrong fighter Miles
the wrong thing is
Picking fighter A over fighter B and then a few years later saying that fighter B cherry picked fighter A
How moronic is that mate? cmon lets be rational here.
But there are variables we never know at the time of the fight that we find out later or down the line......Like when Shane was using, Roy was using....Margo using cement etc.....Later down the line if things come up then cherry picking is just that. If you have an edge then you cherry pick, weight drain them and juice up.
I pick Shane to win.