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WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???
If the Boxing Commission is okay with whatever is the standard frikkin blood test procedure and timing before the fight, who the fock is PBF to make up additional requirements for Pacquiao' blood test??? Suddenly the Boxing Commission's rules and regulations aren't good enough? If PBF suspects Manny of foul play, wouldnt the existing procedures and rules be enough to uncover any wrongdoing by Pac? Who the fock is PBF to make up his own rules that Pac should go by?? I think this is all bullshot, because Lil' Girl Floyd is afraid.
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
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i understand how he may feel....but he is no commissioner or president. he cannot dictate the rules.
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erics44
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
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marbleheadmaui
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erics44
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
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erics44
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marbleheadmaui
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erics44
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
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FAct is, Floyd is afraid of Pac. Afraid that his clean slate would be tarnished. That's why Pac is much better than Floyd. That's why Floyd will never be considered one of the greatest fighters of all time..... unless he fights Pac and...... WIN.:cool:
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marbleheadmaui
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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i actually side with floyd on this one
lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system
floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample
If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!
Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.
Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."
THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.
if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face
would make floyd look pretty silly
as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests
having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to
random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
And this should be good enough for Mayweather. In his fight with Mosley, Shane had his blood test done up until 18 days before the fight.
Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
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marbleheadmaui
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all
and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight
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erics44
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marbleheadmaui
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all
and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight
Of course he was. No other fighter demanded Manny test.
Like i said, it depends on how you view your honor. If you feel hostage to every outrageous accusation? You'll spend all your time answering them. Wild accusations do not deserve a response.
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brocktonblockbust
If the Boxing Commission is okay with whatever is the standard frikkin blood test procedure and timing before the fight, who the fock is PBF to make up additional requirements for Pacquiao' blood test??? Suddenly the Boxing Commission's rules and regulations aren't good enough? If PBF suspects Manny of foul play, wouldnt the existing procedures and rules be enough to uncover any wrongdoing by Pac? Who the fock is PBF to make up his own rules that Pac should go by?? I think this is all bullshot, because Lil' Girl Floyd is afraid.
Who is Floyd? He's the guy who is risking his safety in the ring. so who are you to question the conditions he wants?
Boxing's testing is ridiculously weak and easy to time and hide from so if he wants stricter testing then more power to him.
Too many comment about PEDs without actually understanding just how widespread they are, how they work and how this affects the testing procedures.
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marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.
Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.
im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all
and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight
Of course he was. No other fighter demanded Manny test.
Like i said, it depends on how you view your honor. If you feel hostage to every outrageous accusation? You'll spend all your time answering them. Wild accusations do not deserve a response.
I could be wrong but as far as i remember when manny started stepping up through the weights theres was talk of drugs, around the time of the cotto fight, maybe just after the drug talk came to a head, then there was talk of a fight with floyd, then floyd said take a test
leaving your job wouldb be a pretty big response
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Marble exagerated a little bit, but I agree with him. It's not like Mayweather came out and petitioned the Nevada Boxing Commission to require stricter testing. It's been more than one year since his last fight - he has had plenty of time to petition the Commission for more thorough testing for all fighters. And yet, he hasn't. Indeed, Floyd or his team manage a few younger fighters. Fighters whose welfare they care for. Do they require stricter testing when those boxers fight?
My theory is that Floyd is more of a businessman than a boxer. Floyd's fight history proves me correct. More power to him. He isn't in boxing to retire as the best of all time; he isn't trying to outdo Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali. If he was boxing for legacy, he'd fight Pacquiao regardless of a test, and then he'd fight Sergio, and then he'd try to go up and fight someone else. We all know the odds are that he would beat Pacquiao (and for that matter, the odds are he'd beat Sergio). Think about it. The odds favored Floyd when they came out after his last fight so even the bookies (who are correct most of the time) think he'll beat Pacquiao, and those odds weren't accounting for a drug test. They were saying if Floyd fought Pacquiao in 2010, he would likely win, drug test or not.
I believe out of Floyd's last five opponents, Pacquiao would be his toughest test. Why jump in and fight Pacquiao now? What sense does that make? The fight will be worth more money in a year seeing as though Pacquiao is signing endorsement deals with Hewlett Packard and coming out with a cologne in his name. Floyd might as well take a warm-up at the end of the year, maybe even two warm-ups and then take the riskiest fight out there for more money. That would be two or three fights making more than $10M per fight, and then a fight for $50M.
I don't buy that Floyd was putting off fighting Manny because he thought steroids made Manny too tough and not worth the risk of wear and tear to his body, and that without steroids, Manny wasn't the same risk. Floyd is the best defensive fighter in the game. It is my opinion that even with wings, Manny wouldn't catch Floyd very often.
It's the same reason why Arum decided to keep JuanMa away from Gamboa. Now, that backfired, but JuanMa as talented as he is, is no Floyd. It's why David Haye took fights against Valuev and Ruiz before stepping in with Wlad. And now, Haye's money is better because of it.
Floyd ain't dumb. The drug test is more of a rouse to make there even be more controversy surrounding the fight. The bottom line is money and Floyd's bet is that if Pacquiao gets to be even a bigger star, maybe even to the point where Pacquiao is the A-side in a fight with him, Floyd makes more money. This all makes even more sense if Floyd believes Pacquaio is the biggest risk to him. Why not make more money fighting your toughest fight?
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Here's the thing that gets me. People don't even know what the Olympic Style testing requirements are, and don't know that what Floyd is asking for are completely different.
(OST calls for a Random testing during (and this is key) non-competition times. Urine testing is also random but usually immediately follows an event.
The other thing they don't get is that the blood tests are not even used to detect the presents of PED's but rather they are used only for profiling. When profiling uncovers abnormal level it is an indicator of PED use which in turn triggers additional Urine testing for banded substances.
What Floyd was asking for was a series of Blood & Urine tests over the 8 weeks of the training period leading up to the fight. According to the standards this points to nothing but pure harassment.
When blood testing was being preformed during competition times to detect HGH, not a single athlete was discovered using HGH. This is the test that the Victor Conte's of the world came up with. When congress asked why it did catch a single athlete? The answer was because testing was always being done at competition times and it would not benefit the athlete to take PED's at that time and to catch the athlete testing needed to be done randomly at non-compitation time when the athlete would have the most benefit.
Now for those of you who are not up-to-date in the last offer made to Floyd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4jfLKD0Mg&feature.
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Oh great, another pointless/divisive Pac-PBF blood testing/PEDS thread.
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Yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So I'll say my piece again. My as well.
Urine sampling is a joke and detects FUCK ALL!
All Floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.
Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.
Refusing a test is the same as failing one.
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.
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yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So i'll say my piece again. My as well.
Urine sampling is a joke and detects fuck all!
All floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.
Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.
Refusing a test is the same as failing one.
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.
then don't make baseless accusations or stfu!
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brucelee
FAct is, Floyd is afraid of Pac. Afraid that his clean slate would be tarnished. That's why Pac is much better than Floyd. That's why Floyd will never be considered one of the greatest fighters of all time..... unless he fights Pac and...... WIN.:cool:
duh he already is.:rolleyes:
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brocktonblockbust
If the Boxing Commission is okay with whatever is the standard frikkin blood test procedure and timing before the fight, who the fock is PBF to make up additional requirements for Pacquiao' blood test??? Suddenly the Boxing Commission's rules and regulations aren't good enough? If PBF suspects Manny of foul play, wouldnt the existing procedures and rules be enough to uncover any wrongdoing by Pac? Who the fock is PBF to make up his own rules that Pac should go by?? I think this is all bullshot, because Lil' Girl Floyd is afraid.
this is the second floyd hating thread you've started and I've only just started going through the threads. Just saying.
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hornfinger
yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So i'll say my piece again. My as well.
Urine sampling is a joke and detects fuck all!
All floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.
Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.
Refusing a test is the same as failing one.
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.
then don't make baseless accusations or stfu!
Read the post again.
Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did
Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?
Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.
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Hornfinger
Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did
Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?
Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.
You are not updated with the facts, are you?
First of all, Manny did not refuse the drug test. He had been undergoing it every fight. The disagreement in the first negotiation is the timing of the drug test.
Go forward to the second negotiation, Manny agreed to the drug test timing terms of Floyd. What did Floyd do? Go on vacation.
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Hornfinger
Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did
Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times
A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?
Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.
You are not updated with the facts, are you?
First of all, Manny did not refuse the drug test. He had been undergoing it every fight. The disagreement in the first negotiation is the timing of the drug test.
Go forward to the second negotiation, Manny agreed to the drug test timing terms of Floyd. What did Floyd do? Go on vacation.
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
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Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
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Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
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Hornfinger
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Manny's name is unsullied in the first place. There is no need to do anyhting to answer baseless allegations.
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before. Neither shane or floyd knew the last test would be 18 days out.
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
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Hornfinger
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
LOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
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Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
LOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
Thats a very very pathetic argument.And like manny you have avoided the question. If his name isn't sullied, why does all this stuff keep coming up on forums and the news media? I have no doubt it will go on if he retires without taking any tests.
Am I the only one that has accused manny? Nope, alot of people have. I didn't think he was a cheat until he started doing everything he could to avoid a test.
If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
This is a multi million dollar sport where lives are on the line and legacys are made. It is the duty of the athlete to ensure his or her legitimacy.
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
Floyd and Shane had their last blood test taken 18 days before their fight. Manny had agreed to Mayweather's terms in the second negotiation which is up until 14 days before the fight. Would this drug test have been good enough for you?
Like what marbleheadmaui wrote, "Manny's name is unsullied in the first place".
There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before.
what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
He's been given ample oppotunity to clear his name and never taken it.
The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
LOL, one's name is sullied by a mere accusation now? Really? When did that start as a standard for a public figure?
I accuse Joe Biden of being a space alien! He must run to a lab I designate and take tests I designate, and he must do so when I say, or he will be labelled a space alien!
If he doesn't want to be labelled a space alien he must stop acting like one!
Thats a very very pathetic argument.And like manny you have avoided the question. If his name isn't sullied, why does all this stuff keep coming up on forums and the news media? I have no doubt it will go on if he retires without taking any tests.
Am I the only one that has accused manny? Nope, alot of people have. I didn't think he was a cheat until he started doing everything he could to avoid a test.
If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
This is a multi million dollar sport where lives are on the line and legacys are made. It is the duty of the athlete to ensure his or her legitimacy.
No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
LOL, you're standard for being sullied is blogs and the media??????? Bwahahahahaha
By that silly standard aliens built the pyramids and Obama is ineligable to be Prez!
I have EXACTLY as much evidence Joe Biden is a space alien as you have Manny is using steroids. NONE!
You are trying to impose a new rule on ONE GUY! It is outrageous. An athlete has a duty to OBEY THE RULES AS THEY STAND. That's it. Manny has done so. Manny has taken every test required by the sport and passed each one. Same as every other fighter. THAT is the beginning and end of the argument.
Everyhting else is hogwash.
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when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
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No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
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when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
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No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
LOL the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving SOMEONE committed murder. Here? There is ZERO evidence Manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done NOTHING but run since I make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. NEXT!
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There was no stipulation to 18 days before. Random means just that, it could be 1 day before it could be 20 days before. Neither shane or floyd knew the last test would be 18 days out.
Shane had admitted to using drugs. So why didn't Floyd insist that he has a drug test up until the day of the fight. If 18 days before the fight is good enough for Floyd, then 14 days is even better. But that 14 days cut-off isn't even the issue in the second negotiation, Floyd just decided to go on vacation.
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what you have just written has NO baring what so ever on the question mark over manny's head.
What question mark?
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Manny tried to stipulate no testing 14 days prior. Sorry son, that's not how it works and that is the behaviour of someone with something to hide. Random means random full stop.
You question Manny's stipulation and yet you don't question Floyd acting as the boxing commissioner and trying to impose his own rules.
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Manny's name has been soiled. He has been accused. If there is no question mark over his head then why do these threads keep popping up and why is it still talked about in the press?
Just because someone is accused, it doesn't mean that their name get soiled. We all get accussed of something all the time. This thread is not even about Manny, it's about Floyd's demand with regards to the drug test. If this issue is still brought up in the press, it's not about Manny's allege refusal because he had addressed that in the second negotiation. Not unless you have access to those RECENT press that says otherwise, maybe you would care enough to share it with us.
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The arguement starts and finnishes with Manny Pacquiao was offered a test and refused and then came up with rediculous excuses and even stipulations.
You are talking about what transpired in the first negotiation. There had been a second negotiation already which also failed.
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If he doesn't want to be labled a sterois cheat then he needs to stop acting like one.
If Floyd doesn't want to be labeled a chicken then he needs to stop acting like one.
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Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.
It doesnt really does it?
The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.
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Has manny taken a test? No
I'm not interested in the excuses 'timing' 'needles' 'the easter bunny' 'floyd on vacation'
Has manny taken an idependent random test? no.
Done.
Can you define what you mean by independent random test and who has already undergone this test? Can you enlighten me on this?
USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.
Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.
what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.
The only test, Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately before his fight with Morales.
You add no light to the subject, only darkness.
If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.
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Who was that track star who accused others of steroid use and demanded that they be tested numerous times, and then people started saying he was one of the biggest users of steroids around. I don't know if anything was proven, but sometimes people blame others for strategy purposes then it ricochet's right back toward's them. If one cheater is getting away with it , then probably 25% or more in the sport are getting away with it. It's not just one person doing it. Look at all the other sports. Olympics as an example. We find out now that most of the olympic athletes, throughout the last 5 or so decades, took some form or another of illegal drugs. It wasn't just one athlete.
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Who was that track star who accused others of steroid use and demanded that they be tested numerous times, and then people started saying he was one of the biggest users of steroids around. I don't know if anything was proven, but sometimes people blame others for strategy purposes then it ricochet's right back toward's them. If one cheater is getting away with it , then probably 25% or more in the sport are getting away with it. It's not just one person doing it. Look at all the other sports. Olympics as an example. We find out now that most of the olympic athletes, throughout the last 5 or so decades, took some form or another of illegal drugs. It wasn't just one athlete.
Carl Lewis? See I think this is really on point. The rules in boxing should probably be changed to a more strict regimine of some kind. But that leaves two issues. First, anyone who thinks that the WADA standard catches more users than it misses is likely wrong. Second, until such a change is made? Manny is obeying the rules.
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If the Boxing Commission is okay with whatever is the standard frikkin blood test procedure and timing before the fight, who the fock is PBF to make up additional requirements for Pacquiao' blood test??? Suddenly the Boxing Commission's rules and regulations aren't good enough? If PBF suspects Manny of foul play, wouldnt the existing procedures and rules be enough to uncover any wrongdoing by Pac? Who the fock is PBF to make up his own rules that Pac should go by?? I think this is all bullshot, because Lil' Girl Floyd is afraid.
Well if I was Manny and I was clean I would want to prove it and show I was no cheat. Also that would make Mayweather look daft too and would put me one up on him. I was quite surprised when Manny did indeed refuse and to be honest it got me wondering.
Too many people get away with taking drugs under the current rules. Oliver McCall even admits he used to get other people to give urine for him. Not only that but PED's are a lot easier to trace in blood. I think it's time blood testing became standard in boxing.
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If a murderer doesn't turn up for trial he's automatically innocent right?
:D
Hornfinger has stated before that he owns a business. I think this post right here doesn't indicate his mental/Comprehension/Analysis capabilities. He could be an intelligent individual he just hates Pacquiao that much that he really sounds like an idiot.
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when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....
Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.
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no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.
It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.
lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.
Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!
This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!
there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test
don't be so daft.
