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1973 George Foreman smokes EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!
And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
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i would like proof that Foreman smokes and what brand?
job biscuit (if he rolls his own thats fine with me)!!!
eh eh!!!
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I am a huge Foreman fan and I agree 1973 Foreman would destroy Haye and both Klits, BUT he wasn't quite the same after the Ali fight so to say he would destroy Ali in a rematch is a little unfair. Ali said before the fight he was going to let George tire and then get him and thats exactly what he did. Foreman should have been ready for those tactics. Also Ali was on the slide from there on too, I think that justice was done in the one fight they had. Both men were still young(ish) and close to their primes.
As for Evander being Sparked cold............. I don't know, nobody Sparked Evander BUT nobody hit as hard as Foreman and that includes Tyson. I have mountains of respect for both men and I would literally give my right arm to have both men in their primes fighting in the division now.
I personally think prime for prime Evander vs Big George is a very hard fight to call but I think I would go for Foreman stopping him. Not sure Evander would be out cold though, think ref might have to stop it like he did with Frazier vs Foreman. Not saying Foreman didn't have the power to clean KO Evander, But having the power to do it and actually doing it before the the ref stops the fight are 2 different things.
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1974 George couldn't 'Smoke everybody' so not sure what happened in the 12 months since 1973 ;)
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Agree that Foreman was a monster. But Ali figured him out. The question is are there other iron-willed and iron jawed and/or creative guys in the ring who could have handled him?
1902ish Jim Jeffries was as big and powerful as Foreman and was accustomed to taking blows from five ounce gloves without a mouthpiece and going 20 rounds. Woulda been a war and the question is would Foreman's stamina have held up.
How about a guy like 1960ish Liston? That jab would have been a threat wouldn't it?
I guess I don't really think slick, smooth guys like Tunney or Loughran or Walcott make it 15 with George.
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George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
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George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
Lennox and Tyson would have no shot. None, zero, zilch :)
OK, that's hyperbole.
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I think Liston beats him 9 times outta 10.
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George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
Lennox and Tyson would have no shot. None, zero, zilch :)
OK, that's hyperbole.
Lennox never lost to anyone who he thought as a threat, so he would not take George lightly. He would concentrate and use his jab to break down the raw and inexperienced Foreman. Just like Lennox did to Rudduck, Golota and Grant.
Tyson would come at George in angles, landing with speed and movement. George will take the punches but would wilt under the speed and unseen punches. ;)
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George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
Lennox and Tyson would have no shot. None, zero, zilch :)
OK, that's hyperbole.
Lennox never lost to anyone who he thought as a threat, so he would not take George lightly. He would concentrate and use his jab to break down the raw and inexperienced Foreman. Just like Lennox did to Rudduck, Golota and Grant.
Tyson would come at George in angles, landing with speed and movement. George will take the punches but would wilt under the speed and unseen punches. ;)
I seriously do not understand the notion that Lennox is this machine when motivated. First, as you note, he wasn't always so it is an irrelevant metric and second when mediocrities can knock him out and an older Evander can give him everything he wants? Isn't the right bet Foreman can too?
Tyson, as always has three rounds to win. Despite my hyyperbole is isn't impossible he does so, BUT since George was never finished in three and only rarely even hurt that early and Tyson always faded after three isn't the right bet that George survives and lays down a savage beating?
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marbleheadmaui
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Master
George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
Lennox and Tyson would have no shot. None, zero, zilch :)
OK, that's hyperbole.
Lennox never lost to anyone who he thought as a threat, so he would not take George lightly. He would concentrate and use his jab to break down the raw and inexperienced Foreman. Just like Lennox did to Rudduck, Golota and Grant.
Tyson would come at George in angles, landing with speed and movement. George will take the punches but would wilt under the speed and unseen punches. ;)
I seriously do not understand the notion that Lennox is this machine when motivated. First, as you note, he wasn't always so it is an irrelevant metric and second when mediocrities can knock him out and an older Evander can give him everything he wants? Isn't the right bet Foreman can too?
Tyson, as always has three rounds to win. Despite my hyyperbole is isn't impossible he does so, BUT since George was never finished in three and only rarely even hurt that early and Tyson always faded after three isn't the right bet that George survives and lays down a savage beating?
Lennox may have struggled with Evander but that is a completely different fighter to the raw George who wanted to knock out everyone.
A prime Tyson had no problem going 12 or even 15 rounds if he had to as he systematically beat his opponents up until they were stopped.
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marbleheadmaui
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George was raw and as Ali showed he could be beaten. Lennox, Holmes and Tyson would do him.
Lennox and Tyson would have no shot. None, zero, zilch :)
OK, that's hyperbole.
Lennox never lost to anyone who he thought as a threat, so he would not take George lightly. He would concentrate and use his jab to break down the raw and inexperienced Foreman. Just like Lennox did to Rudduck, Golota and Grant.
Tyson would come at George in angles, landing with speed and movement. George will take the punches but would wilt under the speed and unseen punches. ;)
I seriously do not understand the notion that Lennox is this machine when motivated. First, as you note, he wasn't always so it is an irrelevant metric and second when mediocrities can knock him out and an older Evander can give him everything he wants? Isn't the right bet Foreman can too?
Tyson, as always has three rounds to win. Despite my hyyperbole is isn't impossible he does so, BUT since George was never finished in three and only rarely even hurt that early and Tyson always faded after three isn't the right bet that George survives and lays down a savage beating?
Lennox may have struggled with Evander but that is a completely different fighter to the raw George who wanted to knock out everyone.
A prime Tyson had no problem going 12 or even 15 rounds if he had to as he systematically beat his opponents up until they were stopped.
Except he never did.
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Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
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Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
That's not what you said. You said he could go 12-15 AND STOP THEM! I'm not sure the Bonecrusher or Ruddock or Tillis performances would be held us as any sort of paragons. I don't know what the other one was. The legendary Blood Green maybe? might have been Tyson (IIRC) NEVER stopped anyone after what? Seven rounds and i think he only did that twice. On the other hand, he got KO'd what? 3-4 times after round seven didn't he?
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Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
That's not what you said. You said he could go 12-15 AND STOP THEM! I'm not sure the Bonecrusher or Ruddock or Tillis performances would be held us as any sort of paragons. I don't know what the other one was. The legendary Blood Green maybe? might have been Tyson (IIRC) NEVER stopped anyone after what? Seven rounds and i think he only did that twice. On the other hand, he got KO'd what? 3-4 times after round seven didn't he?
And how many times did a prime George go the distance (the one before the retirement)
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Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
That's not what you said. You said he could go 12-15 AND STOP THEM! I'm not sure the Bonecrusher or Ruddock or Tillis performances would be held us as any sort of paragons. I don't know what the other one was. The legendary Blood Green maybe? might have been Tyson (IIRC) NEVER stopped anyone after what? Seven rounds and i think he only did that twice. On the other hand, he got KO'd what? 3-4 times after round seven didn't he?
And how many times did a prime George go the distance (the one before the retirement)
Geeze, good question, maybe just with Young? But that's not the issue. The issue is Foreman retained effectiveness past the third round in a way Tyson just didn't. Foreman stopped Ribalta late as an example.
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Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
That's not what you said. You said he could go 12-15 AND STOP THEM! I'm not sure the Bonecrusher or Ruddock or Tillis performances would be held us as any sort of paragons. I don't know what the other one was. The legendary Blood Green maybe? might have been Tyson (IIRC) NEVER stopped anyone after what? Seven rounds and i think he only did that twice. On the other hand, he got KO'd what? 3-4 times after round seven didn't he?
And how many times did a prime George go the distance (the one before the retirement)
Geeze, good question, maybe just with Young? But that's not the issue. The issue is Foreman retained effectiveness past the third round in a way Tyson just didn't. Foreman stopped Ribalta late as an example.
Coincidentally Tyson stopped another Ribalta in the 10th round. You are mistaking the Tyson that came out of prison who had little technique and stamina after about 3 rounds with the young prime version who was fit and able to do 12 rounds.
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Master
Tyson went the distance 4 times, winning them all.
That's not what you said. You said he could go 12-15 AND STOP THEM! I'm not sure the Bonecrusher or Ruddock or Tillis performances would be held us as any sort of paragons. I don't know what the other one was. The legendary Blood Green maybe? might have been Tyson (IIRC) NEVER stopped anyone after what? Seven rounds and i think he only did that twice. On the other hand, he got KO'd what? 3-4 times after round seven didn't he?
And how many times did a prime George go the distance (the one before the retirement)
Geeze, good question, maybe just with Young? But that's not the issue. The issue is Foreman retained effectiveness past the third round in a way Tyson just didn't. Foreman stopped Ribalta late as an example.
Coincidentally Tyson stopped another Ribalta in the 10th round. You are mistaking the Tyson that came out of prison who had little technique and stamina after about 3 rounds with the young prime version who was fit and able to do 12 rounds.
I gotta have the Foreman name wrong. Peralta maybe? No the pre-prison Tyson was ordinary after three rounds. The Bonecrusher Smith fight is a perfect example. It wasn't fitness. He just didn't have any idea how to implement an alternative offensive plan if the guy was still standing in front of him when the bell rang for the fourth round! Now to be fair, neither did Young George.
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Bonecrusher was a negative git that fight. He did nothing but spoil the fight until the end.
BTW I am not saying for certain Tyson would win but that probably would be the most exciting heavyweight fight of all time. Prime George v Prime Tyson.
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Bonecrusher was a negative git
that fight. He did nothing but spoil the fight until the end. BTW I am not saying for certain Tyson would win but that probably would be the most exciting heavyweight fight of all time. Prime George v Prime Tyson.
Sometimes it takes an English phrase to get things just right!
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I would agree if you said 1973 George Foreman with the knowledge, ring savvy, defense, and more polished skill set of the older George Foreman. Just think if the young Foreman had all of that?
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I would agree if you said 1973 George Foreman with the knowledge, ring savvy, defense, and more polished skill set of the older George Foreman. Just think if the young Foreman had all of that?
george was interviewed and said that with his knowledge he would not have been silly enough to try and knock out Ali but try and win the fight on points with his jab. That may have worked.
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Well Jimmy Young beat him quite comfortably points wise, and also took his best in 7th round and come right back.
Jimmy Young was very underrated he deserved decisions against. Shavers, Norton, Ali, but thats the way it goes.
As for George Foreman blowing away everyone, i think he loses to these guys.
Muhammad Ali obviously
Jimmy Young again
Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis
There's probably quite a few others aswell, basically anyone who's a good mover with a good defense and a solid enough chin has a chance.
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
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i actually think a prime mike tyson and a prime ali would take him
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
That's what I mean Holmes would have beaten George at that time. They were due to fight I think. ICB you forgot to mention Holmes beat the great Butterbean as well.
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If Tyson and Foreman ever fought it would have been Foreman - Frazier III imo.
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If Tyson and Foreman ever fought it would have been Foreman - Frazier III imo.
i disagree, tyson was nothing like frasier
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I think the George Foreman that knocked out Joe Frazier in 1973 and destroyed Ken Norton in 1974 beats just about everybody. Ali worked him out, he fought an unconventional fight and George wasn't ring savvy enough to alter the game plan accordingly.
Tyson would have been smashed inside 2 rounds, look what he did to Smokin Joe! Tyson would have just walked right into a George thunderbolt!
Holmes was a good enough boxer to perhaps outpoint him, he survived the Shavers knockdown and could take a punch, Lewis would be counting sheep.
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
I remember Holmes dropping his name alot, but think he was doing to Foreman what Foreman was doing with Tyson in comeback. Big bank and yeh...he believed he would whip George.
Holmes just flat out schooled Mercer...sort of picked up where Damiani left off before his nose was turned into a fire hose by Mercer. That was fun to watch. Holmes did well in run but had more then a few part time stunt doubles along the way. Still can't figure what that Paul poieir (?) thing was. If you didnt catch his fight with Quinn Navarre check it out see what you think. Been a while but I thought Navarre just boxed Holmes silly...bit of a rob job.
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As for Evander being Sparked cold............. I don't know, nobody Sparked Evander
Bowe did in fight 3.
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And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
I for one believes that with better cardio Foreman could take Ali in a rematch. Maybe I'm 2 in a billion;D
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It is a big shame that Larry Holmes never got hold of George as he would have beaten him any and every time.
I heard George Foreman was avoiding him, when they were both in there 40's making there comeback. But i don't know if thats true or not, but what i do know. Is that Larry Holmes's comeback was very underrated.
He beat up Ray Mercer, lost a close decision to Evander Holyfield. And deserved to be world champion at 45 but lost a razor thin close decision to Oliver McCall, which i think he won 7 rounds to 5.
I remember Holmes dropping his name alot, but think he was doing to Foreman what Foreman was doing with Tyson in comeback. Big bank and yeh...he believed he would whip George.
Holmes just flat out schooled Mercer...sort of picked up where Damiani left off before his nose was turned into a fire hose by Mercer. That was fun to watch. Holmes did well in run but had more then a few part time stunt doubles along the way. Still can't figure what that Paul poieir (?) thing was. If you didnt catch his fight with Quinn Navarre check it out see what you think. Been a while but I thought Navarre just boxed Holmes silly...bit of a rob job.
I've heard the Quinn Navarre fight was close, i haven't seen it though anywhere on the net. I've seen the Maurice Harris fight, and i have to admit despite Larry Holmes being one of my favourite boxers.
He did get a gift in that fight, but then again the man was in his late 40's, so i can forgive him for that. And remember he also had a few fights that should of gone his way. Spinks 2, Nielsen, McCall, so all in all it probably even's itself out.
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Foreman thought he was drugged before the Ali fight, and judging by the way he fought, i believe him. I've never seen George so inaccurate and wild with his punches.
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No way Foreman smokes Tyson in 2. Tyson was a far superior fighter than Frazier in his prime IMO. He had underrated defence, was much faster and hit much harder too. Foreman would have had a tough time landing clean and would find Tyson hard to hurt too. Prime Tyson had great stamina and stayed active for the full 12 rounds. With prime Foreman there are question marks about his stamina and his defence wasn't the best.
He would have eaten Tysons power punches and I can see Tyson either stopping him or else settling for an easy points win. Tyson in his own way would have been the stronger and bigger man despite being shorter. He was a generation later and fighters were a good 10-20 pounds heavier then.
I see him being too much for Big George. Too quick, too technically adept and ultimately able to punch just as hard if not harder.
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Short, stocky, short armed heavyweights with a bobbing and weaving style are tailor made for Foreman. Just see his destruction of Joe Frazier. I can definitely imagine Tyson eating a few uppercuts from Foreman just like Frazier. And guess what? Tyson was vulnerable to the uppercut, see Tyson-Douglas where the right uppercut stunned Tyson and set up the knockout, and see the Tyson-Tucker fight in round 1 where Tyson was stunned with an uppercut, see Lewis-Tyson where he was hurt by the uppercut in round 1. So I say Foreman punches harder than any of those guys and if he times Tyson just like he timed Frazier with the uppercuts it's over. Tyson got wobbled and was seriously hurt by Bonecrusher Smith in the last 10 seconds of the fight, imagine if it was prime Foreman?
And Foreman in his prime weighed 215-230 depending on the foe, so Foreman would not be smaller than Tyson. Tyson would not be able to intimidate and bully Foreman, not to mentioned Tyson does have stamina problems, he even stated this in his 2009 documentary citing that he has a lung problem and it was a good thing many of his fights ended early.
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Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
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Big George would knock Tyson out about 2 minutes earlier than he knocked the living lights out of Smokin Joe. Tyson had a great great chin, but not as great as Joe Frazier.
Tyson was far more elusive and punched from angles that the bigger men could not see. Tyson was a quality boxer, who punched with speed and venom. Totally different animal to Frasier.
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And dats no joke, blokes. ;D
wtf?? this Freak Monster was blowing away people. 1973 George Foreman would literally annihilate the K brothers in 3 rounds. David Haye wouldn't last HALF of what Ken Norton and Joe Frazier lasted. Evander Holyfield woulda been knocked COLD STONE COLD since he prolly woulda fought "up" in his chihuahua complex like he did against Bowe and got knocked the fuck out. Foreman at age 42 almost knocked Holyfield the motherfuck out WITH A MOTHERFUCKIN JAB!
Big George TAKES EVERY MOTHER OUT. He would destroy Ali if there'd been a rematch. All GF had to do in the rematch was throw that telephone pole jab one-for-one with Ali's jab and conserve his energy a bit.
So, did Foreman's invincibility cloak only work during the calendar year of 1973?
That must be the case, because a still prime Foreman was humiliated by an ageing Muhammad Ali, who had no legs left in 1974.
I doubt every much he'd have won a rematch either.
Providing the fight happened by the end of 1975, Ali would have just outpointed the much slower & one dimensional Foreman.
