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Now if he's all about money, then the fight should happen drug tests or not. I wonder if its about the zeros on the check or the one in the "L" column. It's the highest guaranteed purse in the history of the sport.
Believe me bro, Mayweather will not fight Pac no matter how much is given to him.
It's clear from the beginning that he's afraid of a smaller Pac taking away his zero. Mayweather has claimed before that he is better than Robinson so he won't take the risk of being exposed by a smaller man.
Pac's skill is underrated but those who have watched how he has developed into what he is now they will agree with me that he has the best chance of knocking Mayweather out if the latter engages him into an all out fight.
If Mayweather runs around Pac and put on his defense, he will look like a combination of Shane and Clottey.:cool::cool:
And that my friend is the reason why Mayweather will not fight Pac no matter what the people say.
:cool: Well said!!Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
I don't think the primary reason that Floyd is avoiding Manny is because he is afraid to lose his undefeated record. He is probably more horrified to be dominated just like what Manny did to his last 7 opponents.
If Manny wins by a close, competitive decision, Team Mayweather will just come up with several excuses and a rematch would create the opportunity for more money. If Manny dominates Floyd, then it would give the impression that he was exposed and gives credibility to the criticisms with regards to the quality of the opponents that he had been with prior to that fight. This will also destroy his career and probably smear his legacy.
In a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, I don't see Floyd dominating Manny. He is more likely to win a close unanimous or split decision. If a knockdown or knock-out is going to happen in this fight, we know where it will be coming from.
That 0 on Floyds record is worth a lot of money, outside the ring.
Its clear that PBF is worried about getting in the ring with Pac weather he doubts himself against Pac with or without PEDs.
Pac is a huge treat to Floyd and it doesn't matter if you believe Pac is on Peds or not.
If Pac is on PEDs then Floyd is terrified that Pac is on PEDs and worried he would get smash.
If Pac is not on PEDs then Floyd is still terrified because Pac impress him so much that Floyd believes he is unnatural.
No matter which way you look at it, Floyd knows Pac is a huge treat to that 0.
I think the fight will eventually happen, especially with that amount of money.
The sooner Floyd goes broke the sooner this fight will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think as of right now Floyd thinks he is financially ok but when he goes down hill he will have to take this fight.
Yes and once the court cases are finished and the lawyers and tax man come for their bills he will be in the ring as fast as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThe sooner Floyd goes broke the sooner this fight will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think as of right now Floyd thinks he is financially ok but when he goes down hill he will have to take this fight.
Mayweather is a great fighter. But I do believe he thinks that if he fought PAC it's a fight that he could very well lose. It's got to be hard pyscologically for floyd seeing fighters he has struggled with in hatton and oscar, PAC has just walked right through them. There is no question in my mind that floyd is a little scared of manny and no one can tell me different. It's plain to see in my opinion.
I don't for one second believe Mayweather is actually scared of Pacquiao. I do believe Mayweather knows that Pacquiao will be his toughest test and there is a chance he could lose, therefore he's waiting for the right time to take the fight. He's carefully built his image around being an undefeated fighter, his marketability would be shot if he lost, especially if it were convincing.
So he's waiting to see enough from Pacquiao to convince him he can win. Sugar Ray Leonard did it with Marvin Hagler. He waited for Hagler's desire to box began to wane and he'd showed signs of slipping before taking the fight. It didn't matter to Leonard that he hadn't been active. He just wanted signs that Hagler was slipping. When he saw what he needed to see, he took the fight. But I think if Mayweather fights on, this fight will happen. Money talks after all.
I also don't believe the talk of him demanding $100 million for the fight. I've seen him talk about it since those claims were made and he's always said the only thing stopping this fight from happening is the drug testing issues. If he wanted a guaranteed $100 million then I'm sure he'd have mentioned not being happy with his potential cut. I think this $100 million talk came about because of the mooted 3 fight promotional deal between Mayweather and Don King that would have seen Mayweather get $100 million, which came up sometime last year. I think that got blown out of proportion and went from "Don King wants to sign Mayweather to a 3 fight, $100 million deal" to "Mayweather wants $100 million to fight Pacquiao!"
I just can't get excited about the prospect of this fight any more tbh. Don't get me wrong, I'd get excited if they signed, but I'm just bored of hearing the same old talk and arguments about drug testing, the constant need of people to try and denigrate each fighter through baseless accusations of drug use, or trashing each fighter's records. Until it's signed I'll be pretty blase about it.
I'd rather focus on guys who want to fight. That's why I'm glad Pacquiao has remained active against mostly good opposition of late. There's plenty of intriguing fights without this one, it just sucks that the biggest fight that can be made doesn't look like happening any time soon.
do you guys really believe that a guy that has been on top of the sport for so long is scared of another fighter? don't buy the hype, neither one of these guys is scared loosing, if they were the type to lack the confidence to win, they wouldn't get to where they are, now floyd did say the only way he fights ANYone is the they take the test, so that remains to be seen
It is "Fear" which keeps him from getting into the ring with Pacquiao, he just doesn't fear Pacquiao. Otherwise we whould have already put up the first installment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
the risks of fighting pac is huge. pbf losing to pac means so much more compared to pac losing to pbf.
When the fight does happen, both guys will be slightly passed their prime. Really is a shame that this fight didn't happen a year or 18 months ago.
While Pacman beats up on old men, (Mosley) and over rated plaster casters (Margarito) we should be awaiting fight number 2 between Floyd and Pacman! As it happens we are no nearer having a first fight yet. If Pacman is on something then surely the World Anti Doping Agency would have a say? Am i missing something here? Nothing seems to happen after every Pacquaio fight so what is the beef?
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
What your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.
Good reading below
The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.
You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.
The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:
Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.
Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.
It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.
The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?
Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.
The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.
Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.
The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.
What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.
TCG
Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.
THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST
99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND
Your attempt at making any points are completely mute. Since there is NO FIGHT. There is no need for anyone to take any tests. Should there be a fight Pacquiao has already 'agreed to taking them, making your statement complete false and as has already been posted, a number of times, Floyd don't want to fight. And then you obviously like posting negative crap about Pacquiao. Your call to change the thread is bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyWhat your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Good reading below
The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.
You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.
The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:
Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.
Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.
It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.
The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?
Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.
The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.
Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.
The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.
What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.
TCG
Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.
THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST
99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND
You make a bold statement about testing and provide nothing to support your statement. In fact, what you have unwittingly written is somewhat of an oxymoron. This is because boxing doesn't conduct the testing you accuse of being BS, the labs do the tests and they are the expert you have identified.
What you have posted as good reading is mostly inaccurate just crap.
For 50 mil and the random tests he's got to take the fight. Nothing more to say on it.
I still think he'd beat pac, I just wonder about his age, time out of the ring and personal problems not to mention uncle roger.
i think PBF is still looking for holes on Pacquiao's style that he can use or maybe he's waiting for him to get old.
Well PBF is actually older than Manny, and FLoyd has beaten guys with even less holes than Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyndee
its sad really, you seem to be a guy with boxing intelligence, yet you compared maywaether to mostly and clotted, you will be one disappointed fella if the fight ever happens, i love pac, but may is just made to beat him, yeah packman is the biggest threat, but he cant winQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
Manny is more creative for excuses when it comes to losses, my favorite so far is when he blamed it on his socks. Don’t forget the excuses for not taking the random blood tests: “I am afraid of needles (while he has those jail tattoos), blood makes me nervous and I am superstitious about it (isn’t boxing a BLOOD sport?)” add to that the excuses his team also have made up like Bob Arum saying that a nurse might poke him wrong in the arm and hurt him so therefore, no random tests should be done. Or Freddy Roach saying how Manny needs all this time to recuperate from a blood test while on a 24/7 Pac gets his blood taken and says how he will train the very next day. So yeah, when it comes to excuses and contradictions, Pac and his team are a bit more creative.
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In a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, I don't see Floyd dominating Manny. He is more likely to win a close unanimous or split decision. If a knockdown or knock-out is going to happen in this fight, we know where it will be coming from.
I’ll give you the nod. If there is a KO/TKO, I can see Pac winning that way. If there is a decision, I see Floyd clearly getting it.
I still find it interesting how fans don’t want Pac to get a blood test even if this will open doors for the fight to happen. I would think that PacFans would be cheering Pac to take those darn tests and give Floyd a beating and shut his mouth but no, PacFans, just like Pac and his team, look for ways and excuses to make Pac NOT take the random blood tests.
i know someone from team pac said something about manny being afraid of needles it could be koncz or arum i don't remember, but it's someone else not pacquiao. manny never really said he was afraid of needles and you could look up any news article on that with manny saying it himself and find nothing. and beside, being afraid of needles and getting tatoos are 2 different things. i wouldn't be afraid of getting tatoos but sure as heck squirm at getting injected with a needle but that's beside the point. teampac has been known to be disorganized when it comes to coming out with press statements and they've done a terrible job during the negotiations with regards to the mayweather drug testing issue. fact is manny is willing to take the blood test as long as it's not too close to the fight and he'll even take it right after the fight. pacquiao also had history of losing a fight and partly blamed it on blood taken from him a couple of days before the first morales encounter which he said it weakened him. there's a video on that on youtube immediately after he lost to erik. It could be physiological or mental but blood letting could affect one person and not the others as what happened to Asafa Powell in the Beijing Olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoeyQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
What your missing is the tests they have in place now are bullshit and many people got away with cheating via steroids, peds, HGH and whatever else it might be.
Good reading below
The world's foremost expert on performance enhancing drugs,UCLA professor and researcher Dr. Donald Catlin, has supported Mayweather's position. Dr. Catlin is, essentially, the man who busted BALCO.
You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.
Manny is afraid to test. The very same testing that over 11,000 athletes (including Kobe Bryant, Lance Armstrong, LeBron James, Usain Bolt and the entire Filipino team) have undergone. Track star Tyson Gay was tested 28 times last year. Pacquiao fears this type of testing.
The allegations of Pacquiao's use of performance enhancing drugs are not baseless:
Where there's smoke...: Manny trains under the tutelage of Freddy Roach. Freddy was the trainer of James Toney during the period when Toney tested positive for steroids - twice. Roach also trained and maintains close personal relationships with Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone, two known steroid users. Additionally, Roach owns and runs the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. Out of this gym, he has supervised a plethora of fighters with dirty body chemistry, namely Lucia Rijker and a coterie of MMA fighters.
Sudden performance gains: While Pacquiao has long been an elite level fighter, he recently connected with conditioning guru Alex Ariza and suddenly and dramatically improved his performance to all-time great levels. It strikes many boxing insiders as odd that the same fighter who was rattled by Juan Manuel Marquez and beaten by Erik Morales at 130 pounds is now dominating full-sized 147 pounders like Miguel Cotto. This type of late-career surge is reminiscent of Barry Bonds. Is it reasonable to believe that Manny and Ariza suddenly found a "special blend of supplements" (Ariza's words) that make Manny indestructible? Personally speaking, if I found this Holy Grail of vitamins, I would bottle and sell it ...while I spend the rest of my days lounging in seaside villas.
It's all in the reaction: Manny was given the opportunity to refute the mounting evidence against him. Instead, he has taken a predictable tactic of other steroid users: sue. As Shane Mosley, Roger Clemens and Marion Jones before him, Pacquiao has opted to file a defamation lawsuit. This is the worst possible company to be in. Rather than taking the tests, Manny prefers to be litigious than to be pugilistic.
The excuses don't hold water: In refusing the blood tests, the embattled Filipino boxer has brought forward a series of excuses that have all been shot down. Initially, he said that he was "afraid of needles". This was preposterous, as Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions, quickly noted that Pacquiao has many tattoos. Then, it was said that blood testing "weakens" a fighter. Well, both fighters will undergo the same testing. Wouldn't Floyd also be affected? Additionally, the amount of blood taken is about a teaspoon. The body replenishes that quantity of blood within an hour. With 11,000 athletes undergoing doping tests at the Beijing Olympics, we continued to see improved athletic performances. Besides, have you heard a single one of those elite athletes - including anyone from the Philippines - complain previously about being weakened?
Mayweather, Roy Jones, Oscar Delahoya and Andre Ward are examples of boxers who fought in the Olympics and were subject to the strictest testing possible. But Pacquiao has refused.
The Filipino culture: The Philippines is one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in the Pacific Rim. The international community has vilified the Philippines for their morally abhorrent practices in the dogmeat trade. Commercially, this island nation lags far behind Japan and Korea. Best known as a tourist destination for prostitution, and mail-order brides, the Philippines is fast becoming known for the drug trade as well. You need only to pop over to the Steroid Pinoy or Sulit websites to see that the Philippines embraces the use of steroids, where they are dispensed over the counter and cheap. Much of it is imported from neighboring China where laboratories are rampant.
Filipino WWE wrestler Batista is a steroid user and is closely aligned with Manny Pacquiao.
The most obvious answer is most often the right answer: people who are trying to hide something usually have something to hide. Manny Pacquiao is aggressively avoiding rigorous drug testing. In an era where we have seen our best athletes ensnared within the net of steroid use.
What are you hiding, Manny? Take the tests. Make the fight. Prove that you are clean.
TCG
Love how the Pactards use Floyd as the scapegoat. No middle ground, no seeing the other view. Yha Pac is God of course he wouldn't do anything wrong.
THREAD SHOULD SAY......MANNY REFUSES 50 MILLION DOLLAR DRUG TEST
99% OF THE PEOPLE HERE NOT ONLY WORSHIP MANNY BUT THEY HATE FLOYD. SO NO POINT IN DISCUSSING THIS ANYMORE. THIS IS SADDO'S PACLAND
these are old issues and been discussed over and over everywhere but the fact is team pacquiao is the only party actively pursuing this fight whereas floyd seems only interested in enjoying his vacation, spending time with his family and watching lady gaga.
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger