I know this thread has been done b4 but time for another!!
Ward vs froch!!
Who wins and how?
I'm going with froch and his high workrate
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I know this thread has been done b4 but time for another!!
Ward vs froch!!
Who wins and how?
I'm going with froch and his high workrate
Ward adapts to whatever opponent is in front of him.
If it is Froch, I think Ward tries to maul him like he did Allan Green (though he won't be able to do that easily like he did to Green). He'll turn it into an ugly BHOP style affair.
If The Road Warrior is able to beat Froch, then Ward gets on his bike and tries to land the jab and dig to the body to slow the old man.
I favor Ward slightly if it is Froch.
I think Ward wins more comfortably if it is Johnson.
All this will change depending on how the Froch vs Johnson winner looks in their fight.
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Originally Posted by Dropanuke
You forgot Johnson? lets not get carried away just yet.
I agree, can't count out the Road Warrior. Nuke, what happened to your boy Abraham? i though he was going to KO Ward?Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
You forgot Johnson? lets not get carried away just yet.
IF Froch makes it to the final, IMO Ward still outboxes him, he has better speed, better movement, and will counter punch Froch for the majority of the fight to win the UD
but as said lets not forget that he still has to get by Johnson first
Abraham ain't my boy!!
Froch is my boy!!
In boxing anything can happen.
Atleast ward couldn't win every round like froch did ey!!!
Lol
well but Ward was able to beat Kessler soundly, while Froch couldn't even get the win lol ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
If Froch does beat Johnson. I think he looses to Ward. For me it's about footwork Ward has to quick footwork for Froch who is quite slow, I think it will be something like 116-112 Ward.
If he beats froch with those scores then bute will b knocked out
Oh quote me please
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Originally Posted by skel1983
Ditto, i'd love for Froch to win, but chances are Ward will outbox and outslick Froch and win a close decision. It should be a brutal fight.
How many headbutts will there be??
Anyone who gets lulled in the following Wards style will struggle with him.
Bika pressured him and did well. Even Abraham last night had some success and probably wan the last round. In fact as a training judge I watched the first few rounds and it was hard to score any of them for Ward. You could count on one had for each fighter in the first the amount of scoring blows.
The problem with pro boxing is its interpretation of who does a particular judge think gave the impression he was winning. In the amateurs you count whats scored. Abraham would have done alot better last night with amateur judging.
I think Froch will do very well with Ward and one thing iv noticed with Ward is he gets hit with left hooks quite easy. Iv grown to like Froch as a fighter. I used to think he was a prick. If he can stop trying to load up on one shot and use a bit more speed and sharpness he will make it very difficult for Ward. Froch has very good stamina, hes had some fast paced fights and not slowed down. He is a strong puncher and takes a fair shot. Hes just got to impose himself on Ward and make him run like fuck like he did for the first few rounds last night but unlike Abraham, Froch will benefit from that by getting in to a rythm.
Ward is ugly to watch. Holding is part of his game plan and hes in his 20's! Not some fading name that needs to do that because they cant keep up any more. Froch needs to figure how to fight out of those clinches and not klet Ward clinch to begin with. I think if Kessler could learn that he has it in him to beat Ward.
Hopefully Ward.
Go USA! :)
ward didnt batter aa like froch did but none of that matters
froch will win mind, ward doesnt have the power
I'm impressed that you are training to be a judge. That's badass man!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ward uses range really well it appears. He's faster than Froch and he doesn't slow down for 12 rounds. It's very tough to hit Ward generally and I'm not sure Froch is fast enough to hit Ward. You mentioned that Froch has good stamina. I actually disagree to an extent. Froch lost the Kessler fight because he took off too many rounds. Froch will be Ward's toughest fight to date, but Ward should go into it as the favorite. I should note that I'm still not completely sold that Froch gets by Glenn Johnson.
Ward will start a justified favourite imo but froch I believe will be his toughest opponent to date. Kessler and Abraham, actually also Green mentally folded against Ward and allowed him to dcontroll the fight.
There's no way Froch does that. I think he will fight for 12 rounds, and won't give up if he starts to have no success.
I think he loses a decision but he will make Ward work for it.
It would be epic if Froch could pull the upset though.
His fight with Johnson is a tragic waste imo. Johnson wasnt even in the Super Six why the fuck are we risking a derailing to the great Froch Ward final by having this pointless but risky fight?
It just shows how pointless the whole Super Six was. Only three of the original six made it to the semi-finals. Johnson, a man that's fought once at 168 in 10 years, is two fights from being crowned the champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But what is even more ridiculous is - whilst the Super Six fighters have been beating each other into retirement, Lucian Bute, a guy that has been able to avoid all the best fighters, is currently ranked no.2 at the weight and at one time occupied the 1 spot.
Clearly.. fighting the best doesn't pay. Fact.
Lesson learned from this is that a double elimination tournament doesn't work in professional boxing. It was a good try, but it took too long. I think it did some good though. I had no real idea who Ward and Dirrell were before the tournament began and now I do in a major way. It has improved Froch's position too. I agree it is funny that Bute v. Kessler will be as big a fight at 168 as Ward v. Froch and it isn't in the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIt just shows how pointless the whole Super Six was. Only three of the original six made it to the semi-finals. Johnson, a man that's fought once at 168 in 10 years, is two fights from being crowned the champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But what is even more ridiculous is - whilst the Super Six fighters have been beating each other into retirement, Lucian Bute, a guy that has been able to avoid all the best fighters, is currently ranked no.2 at the weight and at one time occupied the 1 spot.
Clearly.. fighting the best doesn't pay. Fact.
Agreed, but I still think the SS tourney was a success, it gave the fighters at 168 lots of exposure (for better or worse) and we did get to see some decent scraps because of it. In re: Bute, he'll eventually have to face Froch, Ward or Johnson, there isn't much other alternative for him, then we'll get to see what he's really made of, who knows, he could end up being the man at Super-Middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
It just shows how pointless the whole Super Six was. Only three of the original six made it to the semi-finals. Johnson, a man that's fought once at 168 in 10 years, is two fights from being crowned the champion.
But what is even more ridiculous is - whilst the Super Six fighters have been beating each other into retirement, Lucian Bute, a guy that has been able to avoid all the best fighters, is currently ranked no.2 at the weight and at one time occupied the 1 spot.
Clearly.. fighting the best doesn't pay. Fact.
Forget Johnson for a sec!!!
If froch beats ward, how would he pull it off?
i think the SS was a success too
so what people dropped out, they dropped out coz they were badly beaten and couldnt handle the pace of a comp full of world class opponents
taylor took a smashing, kesler took 2
AA should be commended for sticking at it
the only black spot was dirrell
Exactly, I hat when people look past opponents...and dont count out Johnson, every time I have ever said oh he looks like he got old last fight, he comes back with a mild upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
You forgot Johnson? lets not get carried away just yet.
Yeah I hate it too!
I also hate people that point it out so hush and use ur imagination!
If froch beats ward I want to know how?? Ko is out of the question as aa couldn't ko ward even when he tried
thats funny logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Froch is taller and has a longer reach and I think his punches will be harder to see coming than Abrahams. Id also bet that Froch hits harder than Abraham. Arthur may be a more aggressive fighter with a strong punch but hes a middle weight. A clean left hook from Froch will hurt Ward;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Froch needs to loosen up, not load up on everything and not be so static. If he can be first with his jab that will be a good start, dont try and counter punch Ward because he will either be grabbing or bending so low his forehead scrapes the floor to be able to counter. Initiate all the action and push him back and left hooks off the jab.
Good reply Ross!!!
To everybody else, was that hard??
Blimey
Ok you asked for it.... Froch and Ward land simultaneous right hands and both get counted out. Nobody wins the super six.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Hahahahahahahah I like ur style but let me go one step higher!Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestOk you asked for it.... Froch and Ward land simultaneous right hands and both get counted out. Nobody wins the super six.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
The lights go out and when they come on stone cold is in the ring and does a stunner on both of them then mr t smashes from under the ring and bear hugs them both then randy couture turns up with Brock lesnar and it becomes a ufc fight the 12 apache and hind helicopters turn up outside and open fire on the building and turn it to rubble!
Peace!!
Froch has grown on me. I didn't see the big deal about a big slow super middle in the beginging but froch is a sneaky bad ass. He appears to be slow as hell, but i think i was wrong about that. I think in the ring dude with all the little quirks he adds is a lot faster than he appears. His defense is odd but kinda amazing. He's like a slower martinez where he can fight with his hands down, rolls his body the right way and rarely really gets hit. He aint the greatest but way better than i thought he was. Ok that being said i think he has no chance against ward but in a way i almost hopes he wins. Ward can just do too many things. He can box, which makes me wonder why he mauls and butts. If one thing doesn't work for ward he has two or three different styles to rely on. Ward is only missing a killer instinct and punch. Outside of that he can box inside, outside and probably upside down. And if that doesn't work he mauls and smothers so even if he isn't winning it sure looks like he is. I'll be rooting for both guys .
It makes the fights less entertaining, well the ones you are judging. If you start just watching the fight, you lose what your there for.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI'm impressed that you are training to be a judge. That's badass man!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ward uses range really well it appears. He's faster than Froch and he doesn't slow down for 12 rounds. It's very tough to hit Ward generally and I'm not sure Froch is fast enough to hit Ward. You mentioned that Froch has good stamina. I actually disagree to an extent. Froch lost the Kessler fight because he took off too many rounds. Froch will be Ward's toughest fight to date, but Ward should go into it as the favorite. I should note that I'm still not completely sold that Froch gets by Glenn Johnson.
Rewatch the Ward Abraham fight with a pencil in each hand, say a red and blue one, now designate a colour to each fighter, Red for Ward seeing as hes champ. Now watch the fight and only make a mark for a fighter when he lands the knuckle part of the glove with force on the scoring area. Also, dont score what might have landed, only score what you see clearly connect, which is why the 3 judges in amateur sit on 3 different sides of the ring. One might see something the other doesnt, as there is no rule saying the boxers must move all around the ring during the entire fight, they might fight off the ropes directly in front of one judge the entire fight and he will not see much landing at all.Then at the end of the fight, simply add up the marks. I think it would look closer, the first few rounds for sure. In amateur boxing you might lose the first 2 rounds but score so many shots in the third you take the fight. Its a simpler and id say better and fairer way to score fights. A little rage finder jab that is just pawed or flicked out but lands wouldnt count. Alot of Shane Mosleys shoe shine combinations wouldnt count.