It's up on frank warren's website this morning!
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It's up on frank warren's website this morning!
I give Bellew credit for taking the fight. But he's gonna get trounced. Despite his undefeated record it's pretty obvious he's just scrub. A scrub with a poor chin. His last 2 fights prove it. He's got heart. And he packs some decent power. But when you struggle with fellow scrubs it don't bode well for your future success. Cleverly to me is some what overrated. But he's to skilled for Bellew. And seems to take a better punch. Cleverly dusts him. And he dusts him early
Yep I agree completely with your comments. Can't see it going past 4 rounds tbh.
I still think this match up at such late notice is too good to be true.
Bellew steps in and gets credit, Warren gets his ppv back on track, then we find out at the very last notice that Bellew can't quite make the weight..
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
clev definately isnt overrated
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Originally Posted by cutsman
Oh great stuff, thought there was a couple of things to sort out.
WAR TONY!!!!!
decent little matchup, very khan-mcloskey esque
cleverly should have him out of there mid to late rounds
You are the master of crap comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Khan = world-class WBA "world" champion. McCloskey = never fought anyone close to world-class.
Cleverly = never fought anyone close to world-class. Bellew = never fought anyone close to world-class.
;D
cleverly = world class potentialQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou are the master of crap comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Khan = world-class WBA "world" champion. McCloskey = never fought anyone close to world-class.
Cleverly = never fought anyone close to world-class. Bellew = never fought anyone close to world-class.
;D
bellew = standard commonwealth level
if this isnt doesnt turn out to be a mismatch i will fly to ireland and nosh you off personally
I'll have to nominate someone in Ireland to take my place considering I live in London.
I agree Cleverly is clearly the favourite. He is the most likely winner. However, he is not a puncher and likes a tear-up. If Bellew isn't dead making weight he is definitely the hardest puncher, and probably most dangerous fighter, Cleverly has faced. And he truly believes he can KO him.
Bellew's knockdowns have all been early. And a bit weird. Twice he's gone down really heavy but looks fine seconds after restarting the fight. That certainly doesn't bode well for his rushed prep mind...
How big of a puncher can hebe with only 10 ko's against 15 journeymen? Thats not a record that screams julian jackson, Mike Tyson or George Foreman. Also, regarding the knockdowns, as well as his punch resistance being worrying its how easy he is to catch with those shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Warren is basically ruining him as a fighter.
What the fuck are you going on about now? Warren is ruining him? He is not putting him in against a prime fucking Roy Jones he is fighting a guy who looks good but has fought no one near world class, Tony is 28 this is the right time to sink or swim, he is fighting another young guy who has looked great so far but we don't no how good he is I think he will be too much for Tony especially at this short notice but this a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHow big of a puncher can hebe with only 10 ko's against 15 journeymen? Thats not a record that screams julian jackson, Mike Tyson or George Foreman. Also, regarding the knockdowns, as well as his punch resistance being worrying its how easy he is to catch with those shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Warren is basically ruining him as a fighter.
Tony wants this fight not Warren he told Frank as soon as the German pulled out he wanted the shot.
Nowhere have I said he rates alongside the fiercest punchers in history. That's ridiculous. For this LEVEL Bellew has shown above average punch power. I think he has the power to hurt Cleverly. Maybe i'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHow big of a puncher can hebe with only 10 ko's against 15 journeymen? Thats not a record that screams julian jackson, Mike Tyson or George Foreman. Also, regarding the knockdowns, as well as his punch resistance being worrying its how easy he is to catch with those shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Warren is basically ruining him as a fighter.
Look how many times the journeymen that have taken him the distance have been stopped? Hardly at all. Because they are survival experts. They are normally harder to stop than guys with ambition that open up. Plus these fights are just 4-6 rounders. The left hook he flattened McKenzie with in 8th round last time at least shows he retains power from the early rounds.
As Skel said - he's fighting a fellow prospect this saturday. He is not being matched with Hopkins or Pascal ;)
Bellew thinks he has the beating of Cleverly but going on his recent fights, I dont think so and ot many others do either. When he takes a beating as is brought back down to earth with a bang he will be mentally ruined. At 28 its a bit late in the day to have to start from scratch again. Its taken him long enough to get to this point, which was going to be a rematch with a british level journey man...Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983What the fuck are you going on about now? Warren is ruining him? He is not putting him in against a prime fucking Roy Jones he is fighting a guy who looks good but has fought no one near world class, Tony is 28 this is the right time to sink or swim, he is fighting another young guy who has looked great so far but we don't no how good he is I think he will be too much for Tony especially at this short notice but this a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHow big of a puncher can hebe with only 10 ko's against 15 journeymen? Thats not a record that screams julian jackson, Mike Tyson or George Foreman. Also, regarding the knockdowns, as well as his punch resistance being worrying its how easy he is to catch with those shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Warren is basically ruining him as a fighter.
Tony wants this fight not Warren he told Frank as soon as the German pulled out he wanted the shot.
if he gets KOed inside a round will it fuck up his career?
he may also give a very good account of himself against a prsopect everyone is raving about and if that happens a defeat could still lift his career
Yeah but I like arguing;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He does seem to think he is gods gift to knockouts though and a bad loss will take that confidence away and could make him gunshy.
Yes thats totally unheard of an unbeaton prospect talking and wanting the number 1 in his division saying he knows he will beat him :rolleyes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossBellew thinks he has the beating of Cleverly but going on his recent fights, I dont think so and ot many others do either. When he takes a beating as is brought back down to earth with a bang he will be mentally ruined. At 28 its a bit late in the day to have to start from scratch again. Its taken him long enough to get to this point, which was going to be a rematch with a british level journey man...Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983What the fuck are you going on about now? Warren is ruining him? He is not putting him in against a prime fucking Roy Jones he is fighting a guy who looks good but has fought no one near world class, Tony is 28 this is the right time to sink or swim, he is fighting another young guy who has looked great so far but we don't no how good he is I think he will be too much for Tony especially at this short notice but this a great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHow big of a puncher can hebe with only 10 ko's against 15 journeymen? Thats not a record that screams julian jackson, Mike Tyson or George Foreman. Also, regarding the knockdowns, as well as his punch resistance being worrying its how easy he is to catch with those shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Warren is basically ruining him as a fighter.
Tony wants this fight not Warren he told Frank as soon as the German pulled out he wanted the shot.
Are we taking about the same guy here Nathan Cleverly? The lad who has never fought a world class fighter and was fighting for the British title just over 18 months ago? I think your getting a bit carried away here pal, Cleverly aint Floyd Mayweather these two are only about three four fights apart in there progress experience, this is the right time for Tony only negative is the short notice.
what i said could be bollox anyway, when has a defeat ever lifted someones career?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYeah but I like arguing;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He does seem to think he is gods gift to knockouts though and a bad loss will take that confidence away and could make him gunshy.
Haha. I remember we were taking about this fight a while back. I'm still surprised the fight has actually been made. I think Clev oughta make a statement or it won't look good for him... Then again maybe the offers would come flying in if Clev was made to look less than ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by cutsman
Oh great stuff, thought there was a couple of things to sort out.
WAR TONY!!!!!
It can do but really only when the fighters are evenly matched and push each other like Morales and Barrera, Gatti v Ward and even Eubank and Benn. Loads of others but those come quickest to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44what i said could be bollox anyway, when has a defeat ever lifted someones career?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYeah but I like arguing;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He does seem to think he is gods gift to knockouts though and a bad loss will take that confidence away and could make him gunshy.
I think Bellew is a year or a few fights away from dealing with skill or stamina and he is going to have to drop some weight. I dont see it as very even.
I bloody knew it!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cutsman