How did you score the Johnson vs. Froch fight ?

I had Johnson fairly clearly winning 6 rounds. I was torn over whether to give him the 11th or not. So ultimately I had it a draw, as did one of the judges.

There were a lot of cocky Froch fans on here saying how Johnson was going to get dominated and such nonsense.

It was a good fight, and I was disapointed that Glen slowed down in the later rounds, as he took a early lead on my card.

Froch did well, but really got A LOT of credit for flashy combos that landed on Johnson's gloves. He never hurt Glen, and didn't land a whole lot of clean shots. Certainly was fresher down the stretch though.

How did you score it ?

I had Froch winning 7-5.

I had a draw, I have no problems with the scoring (aside from the 117-111 one of course.)

I don't see how Johnson could have won or for it to be that close. The final two rounds made a relatively close fight fairly unanimous. Froch started slow, didn't really show any power, but came good with a Calzaghe-esque template ie throw more combos than the other guy and avoid taking too many punches. Johnson was outworked plain and simple, though obviously Froch likes to go for a walk and doesn't have Calzaghes workrate. Johnson was always in the fight, but couldn't compete for workrate and faded at the end. You don't win a fight on 6 right hands that look great, those types of people probably think Hopkins beat Calzaghe too. They are nuts.

116-112 to Froch.

I felt Johnson was severely discredited by the commentators (Showtime) and the commentating was an absolute disgrace. It infuriated me to no end that ALL FOUR commentators were against Johnson and heavily biased.

Johnson did A TON of body work that he did not get credit for. And he hurt Froch with a couple of crisp right hands.

Froch answered back with some flashy Sugar Ray Leonard slapping combos that would hit Johnson's gloves, though occasionally a left hook would connect on Johnson.

This fight was very close much like Johnson vs. Cloud, with the big difference being Cloud HURT Johnson badly, where Froch never did.

I had Johnson winning the 1-3, 6-8, and possibly the 11th, but Froch probably won the 11th.

I didn't see the Showtime broadcast, but on the whole I think Jim Watt was okay with the British broadcast. He gave Johnson his credit for starting better and was critical of Froch for being so hesitant and allowing Johnson to lead, but you can't just go on the commentary. I think he was a little too critical of Froch at times and so I had Froch winning by a little bit more. Johnson did do some good body work and landed an eye catching lead right every couple of rounds or so, but it just wasn't enough. Froch responded to every Johnson attack with his own combinations and after working Johnson out by the middle point took over more and more in the second half. It was a solid, but somewhat uninspired win. A case of starting slow and having to work out an awkward style and Froch did that.

Johnson's post fight interview said it all really, he didn't even challenge the judges and admitted where he thought it might have got away. If he isn't complaining then nobody else should be, he knows he was outhustled by the younger guy. Johnson is a very solid pro, but just too old. The Green fight was a bit of smoke and mirrors as Green was never very good to begin with. Johnson's last fights at LHW told the story and this fight just reinforced it. It's a good time for Johnson to retire. A fair last stand.

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Originally Posted by miles

Johnson's post fight interview said it all really, he didn't even challenge the judges and admitted where he thought it might have got away. If he isn't complaining then nobody else should be, he knows he was outhustled by the younger guy. Johnson is a very solid pro, but just too old. The Green fight was a bit of smoke and mirrors as Green was never very good to begin with. Johnson's last fights at LHW told the story and this fight just reinforced it. It's a good time for Johnson to retire. A fair last stand.

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Gotta disagree with you there pal.

DESTROYING Yusaf Mack and losing a razor think MD to the most fearsome power punching 175 lber on the planet were by no means bad performances.

Johnson is finally showing his age a bit at 42 years of age. He just barely lost tonight, if not fought to a draw against a younger man with not even half as many fights.

I had it 7-5 Froch. Slow start and strong finish. Johnson got away from his solid jab to head-body and was really all about chucking right hands in the second half and faded. Froch had answers. Mad respect to Johnson, again, but he cannot claim robbery on this one. Gus Johnson sounds like a snake oil salesman and company-network toad. I think Berstein and Tarver keep it straight.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I had it 7-5 Froch. Slow start and strong finish. Johnson got away from his solid jab to head-body and was really all about chucking right hands in the second half and faded. Froch had answers. Mad respect to Johnson, again, but he cannot claim robbery on this one. Gus Johnson sounds like a snake oil salesman and company-network toad. I think Berstein and Tarver keep it straight.

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Bernstein is my favorite boxing commentator, but lately he is misled by Tarver and basically goes along with whatever Tarver says and kisses his ass.

Tarver lets his old vendettas and rivalries get in the way of commentating, for example claiming that Andre Ward is already better than Roy Jones Jr. was at 168 :rolleyes:

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I had it 7-5 Froch. Slow start and strong finish. Johnson got away from his solid jab to head-body and was really all about chucking right hands in the second half and faded. Froch had answers. Mad respect to Johnson, again, but he cannot claim robbery on this one. Gus Johnson sounds like a snake oil salesman and company-network toad. I think Berstein and Tarver keep it straight.

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Bernstein is my favorite boxing commentator, but lately he is misled by Tarver and basically goes along with whatever Tarver says and kisses his ass.

Tarver lets his old vendettas and rivalries get in the way of commentating, for example claiming that Andre Ward is already better than Roy Jones Jr. was at 168 :rolleyes:

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I think maybe Al's just being a professional. Or maybe he's just sick of hearing Gus ;D Tarver may see something but he knows Ward is no Jones and or a Hopkins, any vendetta he had can lay with 2 wins over Roy.

I watched it with the sound off and had Froch 7-5.
I just cannot tolerate Gus Johnson.

I had it even after eight rounds and then thought Johnson hit the fitness wall. MUCH more competitive than I thought it would be.

Froch fought a very intelligent fight.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

I watched it with the sound off and had Froch 7-5.
I just cannot tolerate Gus Johnson.

I had it even after eight rounds and then thought Johnson hit the fitness wall. MUCH more competitive than I thought it would be.

Froch fought a very intelligent fight.

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Thats a fair summary had it the same on my card too.

**Copy and paste from the rthread*

116-112 was probably right imo. Johnson was quite effective early on, but at the end of the day all he did was plod forward and throw the overhand right. You don't wins fights throwing single shots. As usually the commentators were giving rounds to Johnson, coz he landed 2 good shots when Froch won the other 2 minutes 50 seconds of thr rounds.

I can understand why the Showtime commentators were against Johnson, they needed two fighters who started the tournament to make the final credible.

I thought Froch didn't push himself enough and did just enough to get by. Although Johnson came forward, and landed the harder shots he didn't come out of his peek-a-boo defense. I gave Froch the last two rounds which gave it to him by three.

I had Froch winning by a couple. Like Big H said - Johnson landed the best single shots but Froch always responded with plenty. His rounds were more clear.

I expected to see a load of dopey robbery threads. So I guess Showtime scored it quite clear for Froch?

Like GuyIncognito76 said - there was no way Showtime wanted the final to be Ward and a substitute pensioner that fought only one of the original line-up. Bet they were shitting-it early on.

I'm a Froch fan, but I thought the fight was closer than it should have been. I think I gave the first 3 rounds to Johnson and even the ones Froch won, they were tight. If the score had been to Johnson by a point it wouldn't have shocked me.

Froch was far to reactive, he only threw decent shots when he got hurt, he should have been pressing and letting more shots go.

I worry for him against Ward, Froch seems to be trying to outbox people, but he doesn't have the skills to do it properly, his style is full of flaws and if he tries to outbox someone with more skills, he will get beat.

Froch is at his best when he is letting his shots go and landing bombs, this new boxer Froch will cause more harm than good. It's good to see him boxing rather than just brawling, but he needs to not go too far with it and forget what made him successful in the first place.

Glen only gassed due to froch pace, froch seriously adapted to glens style and clobbered Glen. This Glen was no different from the Roy jones Glen. Let's not forget froch compared to pre 2007 is way past his best. He does what he has to to win. And if people like Henry cooper who only fought who and then stab froch cos he isn't calzaghe then don't follow boxing!!!

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I felt Johnson was severely discredited by the commentators (Showtime) and the commentating was an absolute disgrace. It infuriated me to no end that ALL FOUR commentators were against Johnson and heavily biased.

Johnson did A TON of body work that he did not get credit for. And he hurt Froch with a couple of crisp right hands.

Froch answered back with some flashy Sugar Ray Leonard slapping combos that would hit Johnson's gloves, though occasionally a left hook would connect on Johnson.

This fight was very close much like Johnson vs. Cloud, with the big difference being Cloud HURT Johnson badly, where Froch never did.

I had Johnson winning the 1-3, 6-8, and possibly the 11th, but Froch probably won the 11th.

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some of the combos were slapping. But they all weren't. Froch put something on his shots when he needed to. He back Glen up alot more in the 2nd half of the fight than the first half of the fight.

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I'm a Froch fan, but I thought the fight was closer than it should have been. I think I gave the first 3 rounds to Johnson and even the ones Froch won, they were tight. If the score had been to Johnson by a point it wouldn't have shocked me.

Froch was far to reactive, he only threw decent shots when he got hurt, he should have been pressing and letting more shots go.

I worry for him against Ward, Froch seems to be trying to outbox people, but he doesn't have the skills to do it properly, his style is full of flaws and if he tries to outbox someone with more skills, he will get beat.

Froch is at his best when he is letting his shots go and landing bombs, this new boxer Froch will cause more harm than good. It's good to see him boxing rather than just brawling, but he needs to not go too far with it and forget what made him successful in the first place.

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Yes, Froch has flaws, but keep it in context. He has faced Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, and Johnson. It isn't as if he is facing the level of competition most top 5 ranked guys in any division face. Most guys face one elite guy and then face 2 also rans.


When you get to the top levels of the sport and are facing guys of this caliber, fights come down alot of the time to who wants it more. Froch has been very determined and done what is needed to win most of these fights.

I had it wider than anyone else ive seen, 10-2 Froch.

Bare in mind there were a handful of close rounds and I pretty much gave them all to Froch though, I just liked his workrate better and it made my score look like more of a beating than it was. Thats the way it goes with scoring sometimes, round by round doesnt always give an overall reflection of the fight as a whole.

I can agree with any score whatsoever that has Froch winning. Anything else I simply cant see im afraid. When Glen Johnson doesnt complain about the result afterward, you know he lost, you dont have to question any further. He always says he won the fight if he thinks it was truly close and he didnt say shit. The 9-3 and 8-4 scores from the judges were fair scoring for me.

I'm not doubting Froch's calibre, or his opponents. Don't forget I am a fan of Froch.

It's his style changing that worries me, but it's probably because I'm a selfish fan! I love the brawls, I preferred the Froch that fought and lossed to Kessler. All or nothing.

I had it 115-113 Johnson on the night, on a 2nd watch today I had it 114-114. Johnson got 1-3 & 6-8, while Froch had 4-5 & 9-12. There were some close rounds so I can see it as 115-113 either way or at a push 116-112, but I think the 9-3 scorecard was a joke.

I havent scored this round for round but I found it hard to give Glen 3. He made it a tough fight for Carl but he didnt do enough in the rounds. Froch won very comfortably.

I had it 8 rounds to 4. Froch out worked and out punched Johnson. Every time Johnson landed a big punch. Froch was right there answering back. This stopped Johnson in his tracks and loss him the fight. Good win for Froch.

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I had it 8 rounds to 4. Froch out worked and out punched Johnson. Every time Johnson landed a big punch. Froch was right there answering back. This stopped Johnson in his tracks and loss him the fight. Good win for Froch.

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Totally, I think some are too taken with the one big right which is then followed by two 8 punch combinations where are least 2 in each combination are getting through the gloves. If you outwork your man you deserve the round, a single big right every few rounds doesn't do it for me. I think it would have been better for Froch to initiate more though, would have made it even more convincing.

A draw would have been the most appropriate, I don't see where either pug did much more then the other. Johnson gives a good account of himself, as usual, but falls short on the judges scorecards, almost exactly what I had expected.

116-113 Froch.

i had it 115-113. At the same time I saw that Froch won pretty clearly..even Glen Johnson knew he lost.

116-112 Froch.

Good scrap between two seriously tough guys. I must say I had it a lot closer that the commentators thought ...... wouldn;t have been too surprised to see the decision go to johnson but it could really have gone either way without complaint.


Johnson got tired for the last three rounds, which i think won Froch the fight, because I thought Johnson was making Carl look disorganised for the first half of the fight. Two good chins in there though.

Froch struggles against slick movers though (which is why he would not have beated calzaghe had they fought), so I would have to make ward the favourite for the final.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

I had it 7-5 Froch. Slow start and strong finish. Johnson got away from his solid jab to head-body and was really all about chucking right hands in the second half and faded. Froch had answers. Mad respect to Johnson, again, but he cannot claim robbery on this one. Gus Johnson sounds like a snake oil salesman and company-network toad. I think Berstein and Tarver keep it straight.

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Bernstein is my favorite boxing commentator, but lately he is misled by Tarver and basically goes along with whatever Tarver says and kisses his ass.

Tarver lets his old vendettas and rivalries get in the way of commentating, for example claiming that Andre Ward is already better than Roy Jones Jr. was at 168 :rolleyes:

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In what way did Tarver suggest Ward was better than Jones Jnr? If he was suggesting that Ward was technically more accomplished and seasoned in comparison to Roy then he'd be making a fair point, vendetta or no vendetta. Tarver's aite man, i'm sure he has nothing against Johnson either...

Froch was busier, Johnson did not throw enough. No way did Johnson do enough to win.

Froch didn't make an effort to b honest. Froch is on slide now and Glen was his usual self

So Froch puts on a clinic in his last fight against a solid fighter and then etches out a close MD against a seasoned, busy fighter who knows how to spoil and make you look bad - so he's on the slide?

He must b on the slide as everybody is saying Glen is on slide cos he didn't beat Carl WTF!!!!!!!!
Glen fought like he was in his prime and froch punished him and froch grinded out a win and whilst on the slide if glens on the slide.

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I had it 115-113 Johnson on the night, on a 2nd watch today I had it 114-114. Johnson got 1-3 & 6-8, while Froch had 4-5 & 9-12. There were some close rounds so I can see it as 115-113 either way or at a push 116-112, but I think the 9-3 scorecard was a joke.

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I saw it the same as you.

The Showtime broadcast team would lead you to believe it was a Goddamn blowout ! :rolleyes:

I honestly do not see Froch or Johnson beating Ward, I didn't before the fight last night and I still don't.

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I had it 7-5 Froch. Slow start and strong finish. Johnson got away from his solid jab to head-body and was really all about chucking right hands in the second half and faded. Froch had answers. Mad respect to Johnson, again, but he cannot claim robbery on this one. Gus Johnson sounds like a snake oil salesman and company-network toad. I think Berstein and Tarver keep it straight.

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Bernstein is my favorite boxing commentator, but lately he is misled by Tarver and basically goes along with whatever Tarver says and kisses his ass.

Tarver lets his old vendettas and rivalries get in the way of commentating, for example claiming that Andre Ward is already better than Roy Jones Jr. was at 168 :rolleyes:

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In what way did Tarver suggest Ward was better than Jones Jnr? If he was suggesting that Ward was technically more accomplished and seasoned in comparison to Roy then he'd be making a fair point, vendetta or no vendetta. Tarver's aite man, i'm sure he has nothing against Johnson either...

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Not in last nights fight, but I believe it was in the Ward vs. Sakio Bika fight, Tarver literally said that Andre Ward was already better than Roy Jones was at 168 and Bernstein agreed.

It was lunacy.

Tarver is alright, but he is one of those guys who remembers himself as being a lot better than he really was, and holds on to grudges. Particularly against Roy Jones.

There seems to be alot of bias or watching Johnson through Rose tinted glasses because nigh on every round, Froch did more and landed more than Johnson, there was a point late in the fight where Froch laned a nice combination while Johnson was floundering against the ropes, for a second I thought Johnson was getting stopped. I havent seen anyone else bully Johnson like that.

The other thing is. This is the first fight in years where Johnson hasnt lost controversially. The other young fighters hes lost to recently, there was by far more of an argument that Johnson wan but not here.

Ward wont be able to pressure Froch like that. Frochs biggest asset is his strength. He looks very hard to budge and when he lets his hands go, he can get in some nice shots, like the right uppercut.

Iv moaned at Froch before for taking so long in his career to actually fight any world rated opponents before he talks shit but hes done that now and I feel he is still learning in every fight. Ward is deffinitly got his hardest fight coming up. Frochs rough style will do him well, as long as he doesnt sit back and think too much and let Ward try and dictate. Push him like Bika did.

Okay I've just finished watching the fight, here are my scores.

__________1___2__3__4__5___6__7__8__9__10_11_12_TO TAL
Froch_____0.9 0.9 0.9 10. 10. 10. 0.9 0.9 10. 10. 10. 10. 115
Johnson___10. 10. 10. 0.9 0.9 10. 10. 10. 0.9 0.9 0.9 0.9 114

I had Johnson ahead right up until the 11th. Good fight from both guys, would be happy with a draw, would be a little upset if it had gone the other way but no way can I accept scores like 117-111 or whatever. Froch didn't like Johsnon's cuteness and was a little unsure right up until the big drive at the end where he just laid it all out regardless. That's what won him the fight.