GC's Thoughts: Chavez-Zbik: What Did I Just Watch?
This guy is right. I dont know what these judges saw.
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GC's Thoughts: Chavez-Zbik: What Did I Just Watch?
This guy is right. I dont know what these judges saw.
I had Chavez winning with those body shots. Heads shot look prettier but I thought Chavez won a close one
I missed the first round as I was watching Froch Johnson but Chavez definitely deserved the win imo.
He had Zbik hurt on several occasions and was doing some great work to the body. Zbik started well but down the stretch I had Chavez clearly bossing the fight.
Good performance from him I thought. He struggled a bit early on against a surprisingly slivk opponenent but he kept his cool and worked the body and by the mid rounds was starting to take over the fight.
I thought he won by about 3 rounds, no controversy there at all imo.
We've gone thru this before...
Punch stats only show you numbers.
They don't tell you the entire story.
Also keep in mind punch stats is a person with a button.
Who has just seconds to decide wether the shot is good or no good.
I've said this before and I'll say it again the word "robbery" get's thrown around easily these days. A robbery is when a fighter clearly wins a fight. He clearly won more rounds and the rounds weren't even close.
Ask yourself did Zbik clearly win the fight.
He won everyround clearly? Or were the rounds close and could go either way?
For example Froch-Dirrell, really close rounds for me.
Some of them were hard to score not much action. Ultimately I think the fight could have gone either way. I have no issues with the decision.
Now take a fight like Santa Cruz-Casamayor. Now that is a robbery.
Evander-Lennox 1 now that is a robbery. Tiberi-Toney a full on robbery in broad daylight.
There's robberies and then theres close fights.
Well lets say we flip the punch stats and the flow of the fight...does Chavez win if he lands more, or Zbik?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Close fight, definitely no robbery. I thought JCC jr won a close decision, but in now way did i think Zbik did enough for it to be called a robbery.
No
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Originally Posted by mickeyholmesWell lets say we flip the punch stats and the flow of the fight...does Chavez win if he lands more, or Zbik?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Considering he was landing what looked like clearly more solid shots, yes. And yes anyway because Chavez was always going to get the benefit of the doubt with the judges.
But that's a different story. Regardless of whether or not he was going to get the benefit of the doubt, i don't think he really needed it. It was clear his shots were more consequential. Punch tracking is very overrated, there are landed punches and then there are landed punches.
I wanted Chavez Jr. to lose(noting my own bias) and my scoring still had him coming out on top. Zbik had success early but those body shots by Chavez Jr. did some damage.
Zbik did good early on but Jr's body shots clearly got to him, and IMO Chavez took the later rounds, i had him winning 7 rounds to 5, but IMO still Cotto, Martinez, and any of the top 10 guys pick him off, Chavez Jr could have some fun fights with Lee, Rubio, Lemiux, and Manfredo Jr
as much as i love cotto, i think jr beats him. 180 lbs fight night:oQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
It was a close fight in the end, but a fight of two halves. Zbik should really have tried to land his combos and then keep moving, staying so close all the time was silly. You don't stay in the trenches with a bigger guy and you don't ignore the body. Zbik threw about 2 body punches in the entire fight. Zbik clearly outlanded JCC Jr, but played into his opponents hands down the stretch.
Anyway, now Jr is a champ I want to see him fight the best in his division, he will get stomped on.
This just shows how championship belts don't really mean too much as it did back in the day.
Close fight, so it's not a robbery. Whittaker-Ramirez 1 and Whittaker-Chavez, now those are robberies.
If it was an amateur fight, Zbik would have clearly won, but it's the pros and he didn't.
I scored the fight....115-114 for Zbik.....but could have been scored the other way so fair result
Job Biscuit (Chavez wont be champ for long...unless they go the Frank Warren way)!!!
eh eh!!
Job Biscuit eh ehQuote:
Originally Posted by Otley
I scored the fight similarly and also felt that it could have gone the other way so it was a reasonable result.
Punch stats are overrated, but when there is such a great disparity, it is indicative of something. When has someone so clearly dominated with more punches and also lost the fight? It's unusual. Still, this fight was no robbery, it was close. Chavez Jr. got Zbik's attention with his punches, but he never hurt Zbik. His shots weren't as menacing to me as people here thought. 114-114 was a good score as was 115-113 either way.
I would have been cool with a draw considering the fact that Zbik was the title holder but it was no robbery, that's for sure. It was far from convincing but he did it, I guess..
Jr just better stay away from the elite fighters cuz he'd get hurt so bad. And Zbik reminds me of Sam Soliman who didnt have problems landing but couldnt punch a lick. Very frustrating to watch..
Soliman had the flinging monkey style, I always thought he was entertaining, but you're right he couldn't crack an egg, even in his 25 fights with Mundine. I would say though that Zbik was closer to Ottke, because his technique was okay, he just wasn't ever loading up or punching from his toes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
It was a tough fight to score because Zbik landed some beautiful punches, but there was no steam behind them. Meanwhile Chavez Jr. landed all kinds of hard body shots, and came on down the stretch.
Man what I just saw of that fight, I loved JCC Jr. body attack. I have to re-watch it but there was no robbery. Some of you guys will think I'm nuts but zbik reminded me Ray Leonard with the flashy spurts of arm punches but with nothing on them. I have to say my head is floating from all this codeine syrup in me. I've been sick over a week while out on a trip to Canada. I don't think re-watching it will change my opinion though JCC Jr deserves a lot of credit for that win.
Those BC Canadians are a little nuts flooding the streets with the Canucks win. I felt a little sorry for them getting beat 8:1 but not all that much seeing how it was an American team that beat them. My cousin was a little worried I might get swarmed because were in the crowded streets of Vancoover I was saying they are going to lose when Boston scored with a man down.