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...But I broke my toe ;D
It's just unbelieveable isn't it?
Did Cristiano Ronaldo teach Haye to box?
*I've lifted my self imposed ban on mentioning Haye's name because at least he had the balls to step in the ring this time....not that he did much else.
;D;D;D;D lol at Wlad fighting like a PUSSY in the final round, scared of a cruiserweight with a clubbed foot, ESPN doesn't even have coverage of this boring shitfest, lmfao, little Wlad cracker's legacy is being knocked the fukk out by three bums
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Welcome back Leftylee!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by capsulate
Cracker?...........Are we Youtube now? ;D
And I thought you were bigger than that Lyle :-X
Seriously tho, props to Wlad ! Haye just didnt do enough, buts thats the story with everyone of Wlad fights. That Jab is unbelieveable, it stops ya in ya tracks and very hard to counter or do anything about it.
Someone on here calls Haye 13, well ya may as well recall him 4, cos thats the amount of punches he landed per round on average.
The writing was on the wall after the first couple of rounds, Wlad just kept connecting with that jab, if im honest I thought Wlad could of took Haye out of there about the 9-10rd.
I thought once Wlad found that home with the jab on a regular basis, he would of followed up with the right a lot more. Props to Haye for taking his shots like, cos Wlad did catch him with a few good shots that I thought Haye would have struggled with !
Didnt really listen to the after fight stuff ( busy playing poker with the lads that were over ), but if Haye is trying to come out with excuses about injuries then it's just sour grapes.
Bottom line is he didnt throw enough punches. When he did it was effective, at times. Alot of his shots were wild, hence the amount of times he touched down. Haye's balance was shit, and the credit for that goes to Wlad for his tactics and that jab !
Once again Props to Wlad !!
Just when I thought Lyle might be a good winner! :p you're only calling him Haye because 'that guy who used to be the wba title holder' is too long even for you.
My take was that Haye knew he'd never be able to stand with wlad and out work him - thats how you get KO'd... He was looking for a big shot that never came, Wlad's jab is just too damn good.
Hayes head movement impressed me and tbh so did some of the right hand that he took clean. The whole thing was 'once wlad connects Haye is dead' and wlad did connect a hand full of times.
Was in a night club so didn't hear interviews etc but he's only losing respect he could of had by going on about a toe.
Haye looks like a total idiot with all that trash talking and belittling Wlad's opponents. He attempted very little in order to win the fight. It makes me think a number of the top 10 have a very good shot of beating Haye. Heck, I think even James Toney could probably ice him. Haye is simply not a particularly good heavyweight and has been all Jeff Lacy really.
Miles, I really don't think you understand the reality of what was in front of Haye. A high skilled and experienced fighter who out weighed Haye by over 2 stone!
He stuck to his tactics, which were the only real option (unless he wanted to be sparked) and couldn't land what he wanted to. Wlad put it on the line no more than Haye did... His style and size meant he'd never not win by UD if Haye couldn't stop him. In my eyes considering Wlad had two stone on Haye - he wasn't much less content to survive than Haye was.
It amazes me when boxing fans get suckered in by hype and prefight talk. I know you dislike Haye (or his grammar!) but really? Old, fat ass Toney? You must be trolling!!;)
Sticking to tactics that PROVIDE NO CHANCE OF WINNING is pretty freaking disgraceful if you ask me (which you didn't).Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Adam it was a disgrace. The guy spent the entire fight circling and throwing nothing. He was landing about 5 punches a round at best. It was shocking after all the smack talk and it is a fact that several opponents have given better displays against Wlad. Haye is just another HW contender and nothing more. There is no harm in pointing that out and it was nice to see it really confirmedQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Perhaps Toney is reaching a little as noone knows what he can do, but I haven't seen Haye actually give a meaningful performance against an elite fighter either.
He is a hype job and I stand by my assertion. Haye has been a British Lacy.
And sticking to tactics that almost guarantee getting sparked is just plain stupid.
How he boxed was his best chance... It was just a slim one.
Exactly, if you want to beat the best then you need to take a few risks. We saw it a little in the final round, but prior to that he did bugger all. It was a man looking to survive and take the paycheck. No different to all the others that Haye belittled.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiSticking to tactics that PROVIDE NO CHANCE OF WINNING is pretty freaking disgraceful if you ask me (which you didn't).Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The guy is a cruiserweight and only the 2nd guy in over five years to go 12. As I said I don't think you quite grasp the reality in that ring Miles.
He was by no means good, but 'disgrace' is too much... He was up against it.
Lacy was a super middle, so was Joe. No excuse there.
Are you telling me Wlad boxed as well as Joe did? Like I said he put no more on the line than Haye did.
But if Haye is too small to compete then he should have stayed in his division. You look for glory then you've got to take your chances and he didn't take any real chances. It was poor and certainly didn't live up to the hype. People want a fight not a man looking to go the distance and that's what it felt like in the second half. No Wlad wasn't as perfect as Joe was, but nobody has ever been as perfect as that. Calzaghe was sheer poetry. You can't expect that of heavyweights, but it was dominating and extremely decisive.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Very clear UD... but if Calzaghe's effort was poetry then to be fair Wlad's was a christmas cracker joke.
Imagine if Joe fought a 130lb fighter and did just enough to keep him at bay.
Dog fighting Wlad was not just a risk... It was a 100% way to get stopped.
Haye had the choice to sign the fight and he chooses to fight at HW. It's all down to him, the parameters are what they. There should be no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Haye couldn't walk the talk and he found out the hard way. A routine win for Wlad and a very negative showing from Haye.
Yup, he chose Wlad... He could have quite easily milked cruiserweight for years and years but chose to test himself with the hardest fight he could.
The only way he was going to see if he was strong enough for Wlad was by being in the ring with him... and he quickly found out he wasn't. Not much shame in that tbh
Nope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
But he didn't test himself. That's kind of the issue at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
:vd: what risks could he have taken? He was trying to get Wlad to over commit so he could move his head and use laterall movement and land something big (ask wlad's left cheek) Wlad's jab was too good to give much though.
I said prior to the fight that was his only real chance and that's exactly what he did.
We all seem to be forgetting the physicality... Anything else would be a sure fire way to get KOd.
I'm really getting a sense of who knows the reality of being in the ring and competing against such a stronger fighter.
We all know that Wlad is the bigger, stronger man. But Haye was quicker he should have been working to get inside and work Wlad over. But he didn't do that, he waited and waited and waited. Sure, Wlad was heavier, but also slower and known not to have the greatest chin. Haye is only a few inches shorter, a smaller man can still get in close and try to do some work. It wasn't that great an obstacle. In fact Wlad was even fighting at Haye's height for a lot of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Haye didn't try to land telling blows frequently enough, he used exactly the same method against Valuev and that was the problem, he didn't do okay. He lost by a landslide. You say you are the main man and then don't even try and then bitch about a toe? It's just sad really. Two years of talk and that's what it all boiled down to.
It had echoes of Mosley/Pac. One guy forcing it and the other on the retreat for the entire fight and then of course we have the blisters.
It is a loss cause. If I were you I would not debate with nationalistic sports fans, especially of the British variety. For fucks sakes there was an old thread here that a few of them believe that they can beat Manny Pacman in a boxing ring because they did some boxing in a gym and had height and weight advantages over him. Talk about delusional.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Well I assume your list doesn't include Haye and Booth. What could he have done? Pretty simple actually. Two options. When he slipped the jab step inside and go to the body and stay inside flurrying until Wlad grabbed him. The second option was to retreat six inches at a time and then punch when Wlad came in range ala Joe Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
You act like size and strength are the only determinants. Yet somehow Chambers beat Dimitrenko, Louis beat Buddy Baer, and Mike Spinks beat Larry Holmes.
Nationalists of any variety, GB. It's not just the Brits. I'm certainly not making any excuses for Haye, it was a poor showing and that appears to be the general consensus beyond a few who seem to want to make excuses for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt is a loss cause. If I were you I would not debate with nationalistic sports fans, especially of the British variety. For fucks sakes there was an old thread here that a few of them believe that they can beat Manny Pacman in a boxing ring because they did some boxing in a gym and had height and weight advantages over him. Talk about delusional.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNope. Taking the risks necessary to get in range to be able to land was his only shot. He chose to take the money and run.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I agree. I think Haye trained to fight the fight like he did. If you're a small heavy, you fight Wlad sort of like the way you would fight a buzz saw or a pile driver. Your only hope is to stay away until you can somehow disconnect the power.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I think Haye did what he could do. He knew he could outrun Wlad, and he hoped to get that one chance for a KO without taking too much risk of getting his own brain scrambled. And he did give Wlad at least one good shot, so I say he did what he could do.
That's being pretty realistic and indicates to me that Haye's mental health is pretty good. He wants to retire intact and smell the roses.
I wish I could be in Haye's shoes today. I'd cry all the way to the bank.
But the toe? Oh Geez! I would hope I could keep my mouth shut. People will remember Haye's toe long after they have forgotten Haye.
For Haye to fight off the back foot like louis wlad would have had to gave been more aggressive... Do you honestly think that Haye would gave been the first person to flurry at Wlad on the inside? We'ce seen smaller guys try it before and it doesn't end well.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiWell I assume your list doesn't include Haye and Booth. What could he have done? Pretty simple actually. Two options. When he slipped the jab step inside and go to the body and stay inside flurrying until Wlad grabbed him. The second option was to retreat six inches at a time and then punch when Wlad came in range ala Joe Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
You act like size and strength are the only determinants. Yet somehow Chambers beat Dimitrenko, Louis beat Buddy Baer, and Mike Spinks beat Larry Holmes.
Have you read my posts at all? I've constantly said that Wlad has perfected a style that utilises his height and reach perfectly and the strength to make sure that nobody will stand with him. Could wlad be smaller and be effectice doing what he does? No. He has the perfect synergy between physicality, style and skill.
The way you're acting is as if I said valuev should be the greatest of all time. Reading what you want to read.
Wait a second....people demand Wladimir go in both guns a blazin' and complain when he sticks behind the jab. Are you calling those people stupid too?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Against smaller, weaker, slow plodders Lyle. He gets the job done but could do and entertain more. Haye would have been Kayo'd... Would Wlad get ko'd by guys like ibromavic?
This. With a cherry on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So, all of a sudden Haye was just too small all along. It's a few inches in height and admittedly a lot of weight. But almost nobody was complaining about this before the fight.
Haye used the wrong approach lost most of the rounds because of it, one man was pressing and landing his jab repeatedly, the other was feinting and prancing about.
This debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You gave Haye's prefight talk far too much credence and even seemed personally bothered by him so I can't really see you being swayed Miles.
What's the saying "If you get hit clean by anyone over 200 pounds it can end the fight"....don't hate on Wlad because he fights smart. I hate on Haye because he talked a bunch of shit for over 2 years and showed up and ran like Ibragimov and all because he broke his little pinky toe. I guess now it's time he cried "Weee, wee, wee" all the way home.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Adam Booth "Super Genius" :vd: ....what a brilliant game plan....stick to your spin class princess
But not really because I have been criticising his opposition and chances from the off. I just expected him to actually try and back up at least some of what he was saying. I genuinely, believed that he believed that he could win. Clearly it was hot air.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBThis debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You gave Haye's prefight talk far too much credence and even seemed personally bothered by him so I can't really see you being swayed Miles.
I like the pic though! ;D
That's a paradox ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by miles